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Hi
Can anyone help with this problem.
I have the birth certificate for Walter Miles born Redisham 16th March 1859. The mother is Maria Miles but no name for the father.
Does anyone have access to church records for Redisham where there might be mention of the father if Walter was baptised there? Might there be bastardy records somewhere ?
Hope someone can help.
Dave
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There is no Redisham that I know of in Suffolk the place you want is either Redham or more likely Rendlesham.
The records you would need would be from either of these.
Regards Amber39
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There is something odd about Walter Miles.
In 1861 Census he is living with his Grandparents who are Charles and Sarah Kemp and their 7 Children the eldest 13 and youngest 1. Maria is not with them so are these the paternal grandparents? Was Walter's father a Kemp ? or was Maria married to a Miles
In 1871 Census Walter is living in Needham Depwade Norfolk with John and Maria Shank and their 6 children Youngest 3 months and described as son.
Will investigate further
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Looking for suitable marriages...
There's a marriage of a John Shank and Maria Miles 1863 in Depwade (March qtr vol 4b page 367).
No other entries on that page so it's obviously the right couple.
Need to establish the Kemp/Miles link!
Dave
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Probable link...
Charles Kemp
Married Dec qtr 1848 in Depwade vol 13 page 133
Entries on the same page include: Sarah Miles
Sooo...
It appears that Sarah Kemp (née Miles) was Maria's mother.
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Hello Dave
That would solve much of the mystery about where the Miles comes in. Well done.
It also poses another question . Who was Maria's father ?
Amber39
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According to the 1871 Census, Maria Shank (née Miles) was aged 27 and born in Pulham Norfolk.
I can see only one candidate for her in the 1861 Census.
1871 Pulham St Mary Magdalen, Norfolk
Twitshall <?> Road
Francis Miles, head, 65, ag labourer, Pulham Norfolk
Mary, wife, 76, Bressingam Suffolk
Maria, grand daur, un, 17, glovemaker (leather), Pulham Norfolk
Emma, grand daur, 4, Pulham Norfolk
Clearly she was very young when Walter was born in 1859.
1851 Census: She was with her grandparents Francis and Mary in Pulham. The other members of the household included her unmarried mother Mary Miles.
So we have two challenges:
Who was the father of Maria Miles?
Who was the father of her illegitimate son, Walter?
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/pulham.htm
Can't see her on here!
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Hi everyone who is trying to figure this one out it has been taxing me for some time.
Amber 39 the birthplace is definitely Redisham and I have found this parish in Suffolk and the church is St Peter's
I also thought that Maria was the illegitimate child of Sarah Miles who married
Charles Kemp as there is a baptism of Maria Miles 'illegitimate daughter of Sarah Miles' at St Mary Magdalen,Pulham, Norfolk. Walter Miles later in Life changed his name to Shanks but I do not know if John Shanks was his natural father. That is what I am trying to find out ! hence the request for ahyone who can look at the parish records
Dave
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I would like to confirm what Dave has said, there is a small parish in the north east of the county which is Redisham (and in former times was often referred to as Great Redisham) the parish church is dedicated to St Peter.
The population in the mid 1800s was 165.
The hamlet of Little Redisham has been incorporated into the nearby parish of Ringsfield.
Unfortunately there is no volunteer for Redisham at the Suffolk Look Up Exchange although there are only 6 fiche in total covering baptisms, banns, marriages and burials from 1537-1900 - could be worth buying those you need from the Suffolk Record Office ;D
Pat ...
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Well you learn something new everyday !
I stand corrected that there is a village in Suffolk called Redisham although I have been unable to find it myself.
Sorry to have mis lead you.
Regards Amber39
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No problem Amber39 ;D
If you locate the market town of Bungay on the Norfolk/Suffolk borders, then Redisham is about 4 parishes south east.
(Might have 'cheated' slightly as I have a head start - I am the Recorders' Secretary for Suffolk Local History Council and look after Local History Recorders in parishes throughout the county - I have to know them all)
Pat ... ;)
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Hi
I had a look for Walter's baptism at the records office today but he does not appear to have been baptised at Redisham, sorry.
Anne
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Thanks Anne for looking at the records for me.
This family had a habit of having children baptised sometimes years after their birth so I guess this could have been the case with Walter.
Dave