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Would anybody be able to look up a marriage in Howden for me please?
William Goulden married Elizabeth Leighton on 17th December 1815 in Howden. I am trying to determine who Elizabeth's parents were. Can anyone help?
Thanks in advance
RosemH
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Hi RosemH,
There's an obvious candidate on the IGI:
born 10 Aug, baptised 21 Nov 1794 in Howden
Elizabeth Leighton d/o Thomas Leighton & Dorathy Nixon.
It's an entry extracted from the parish records, so I'm not sure if Nixon was Dorathy's maiden name or if the child was illegitimate.
However, there are also 2 other possibles on the IGI:
baptised 1794 in South Cave d/o Samuel & Johannah
baptised 1790 in Hessle by Hull d/o Frances.
The best idea would be to try and find out if Elizabeth survived until the 1851 census when she should have indicated her birthplace.
Otherwise, were any of William & Elizabeth's children named Thomas, Dorothy, Samuel, Johanna or Frances after their (possible) grandparents?
Jill
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Hi Jill
Thanks for getting back on this. I had picked up the Elizabeths in the IGI, but as "my" Elizabeth gives her birthplace as Skelton, and as none of her children have any of these possible grandparents' names, I was hoping the parish records of Elizabeth's marriage to William Goulden might show her father's name to settle the issue.
Perhaps the next port of call will be Skelton baptisms. I don't suppose you have access to these.....?
Thanks again.
RosemH
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As far as I can tell from looking at Phillimore's Parish Atlas and the relevant pages of Genuki -
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Howden/index.html
Skelton wasn't actually a parish in it's own right, but was part of the parish of Howden.
So, I still think the 1794 baptism might be the right one.
I do have some Howden PRs on CD but, unfortunately, they stop at 1776 (marriages stop at 1754).
Next time I go to the East Yorks Record Office, I'll look at the 1815 marriage record to see if it gives any additional info about William & Elizabeth.
Jill
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Sorry - I should have added that I can also look up the Howden 1794 baptism PR for an Elizabeth Leighton to see if there's any mention that the family were from Skelton.
Jill
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Thank you Jill, that is really helpful. The 1794 Elizabeth does look hopeful. Thank you for your offer to look them up next time you are in the Record Office - I would be extremely grateful for this.
Thanks again
RosemH
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Hi,
I managed to pop into the Record Office this morning to look at the Howden parish records.
The marriage:
Dec 17 1815 William Goulden alias Demaline of this parish, shoemaker & Elizabeth Lieghton [their spelling] of this parish, spinster.
They married by banns. Both signed their names[William signed 'Goulden']. Witnesses: Thos Richardson, Thos Tyas, Edwd Palmer [the last 2 seem to have been regular witnesses].
The baptism:
Born Aug 10, baptised Nov 21 1794 Elizabeth Leighton daughter of Thomas, a farrier & Dorothy nee Nixon. Abode: Skelton.
I love it when a plan comes together! ;D
Jill
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You are a star! That's fantastic - thank you so much for your efforts on this one.
Best wishes
RosemH
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You're very welcome.
Did you know about William's alias? Any idea what it was all about - just curious.
Jill
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I did. William's mother's name was Elizabeth Dimaline/Demaline. I have found the marriage of William Goulden senior and Elizabeth Dimaline in 1791, so I don't know why their son used the name at the time of his marriage in 1815. Another of life's little mysteries!
RosemH
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Hi again,
Do you have William Goulden/Demaline's baptism?
The 'alias' thing is usually because the person was illegitimate and had then taken on the surname of the man his mother later married.
So, did Elizabeth Demaline marry William Goulden before or after her son William was born? ???
Jill
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That was my first thought too. I haven't got William's baptism (I'm only working from the IGI here as I haven't been able to visit Yorkshire to look at parish records), but from the census his birth year seems to have been either 1792 or 1796, both years being after the marriage of his parents in 1791. But... we all know how unreliable birth years worked out from the census can be, so you could well be right.
RosemH
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If you would like Baptism's for Leighton & Lighton for Howden and surrounding areas, let me know, dates are
1659-1703.
NO Goulden or any spelling like it in same above. Goulden family still live in area of Skelton, farmers.
NO Dem/Dimaline listed either.
Skelton was next hamlet to Laxton and Laxton had its own Church for some time, records are held at ERYC.
Also folk from Skelton n Laxton also used the church at Blacktoft, further along the river Ouse.
Bendywendy
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Hi RosemH,
I am really new to all this, but I have my great grand father's research so I'm going from that. Family History was his passion until he died in 1972, so his research was all old-school.
He was Richard Goulden, great grandson of William Goulden and Elizabeth Leighton.
I don't know if you've managed to find anything about William Goulden's baptism in the last 4.5 years, but my Grand-dad's research says that William Goulden (alias Demaline) was born at Cowick, and baptised at Snaith - The Vicar of Snaith at the time (1961) gave him the Snaith entry: "William illegitimate son of William Gowland and Betty Dimaline baptised Oct. 30th 1791".
You say that you found the marriage of William Goulden senior and Elizabeth Demaline in 1791. I'd really love that information and its source please, if you are able.
Also, where you fit into the family of Williams and Elizabeths (as they are my direct ancestors) - 4 and 5 g grandparents.
Thanks,
Victoria
Merry Christmas
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Hi vmb
After New Year I can go to my local library and have a look at the records for Snaith to find this baptism for you, hopefully the mircrofiche will cover the dates you require.
I will also look for the marriage of his parents, which I assume is also Snaith.
bendywendy
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Hi bendywendy,
That is really kind of you - not easy for me from Christchurch, New Zealand!
I don't know if the marriage of Wiiliam GOWLAND/GOULDEN and Betty/Elizabeth DEMALINE/DIMALINE was at Snaith - they were both (I believe) from Cowick - Snaith was the parish church for Cowick until 1854. RosemH says earlier in the thread that she found their marriage in 1791, so likely after the baptism of their son 30 October 1791, as he was baptised as illegitimate.
My grand-dad said they must have left Cowick between 1791 and 1795 to move to Howden as their next child John was born 1795 in Howden and the family name was now GOULDEN.
So could be Snaith or Howden.
Thank you again so much.
Victoria
Merry Christmas
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Hi Victoria
Nice to meet you. Elizabeth Dimaline and her son William Goulden (b. 1791) are also my 5th and 4th great grandparents respectively. My line from William is through his son John (b. 1829), John's son John Henry (b. 1853), John Henry's son Herbert (b. 1882), Herbert's daughter Sheila Mary (b. 1901) and finally Sheila Mary's daughter (my father) George Herbert (b. 1933).
Although I haven't actually seen the record for the marriage of Elizabeth Dimaline and William Goulden, somebody looked it up for me in Yorkshire. It took place on 29th December 1791 in Snaith.
I didn't have the birth date of William (1791) - in fact I hadn't been able to determine exactly what year he was born - so thank you very much for the entry from the Snaith parish records, that's brilliant! So his parents got married when he was three months old.
My great grandfather, Herbert Goulden (b.1882) had a younger brother called Richard (b. about 1892) - could he possibly be your great grandfather? If he is, I've got loads of information - even photos.
RosemH
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Hi Rosemary,
It's great to hear from you too. Yes, my great grandfather Richard Goulden was one of the younger brothers of your great grandfather Herbert, so I think that makes us third cousins! Richard did a lot of research back to William and Elizabeth (Dimaline) Goulden, but no further back, but I have today heard from 2 other people who have lots of information about the Dimalines going further back, if you don't already have this - I can pass on the information if you would like.
I found the marriage of William & Elizabeth on Family Search, 29 December 1791, but I haven't seen the original. But I think that pretty much confirms it: their son William was baptised as illegitimate 30 October 1791 (no birth date given) and they married 2 months later. I have found 6 sons in total but no daughters - do you have any further information?
Do you mean that your father is Sheila's son? or is there another generation?
Richard and his wife Margaret had 2 children, 4 grandchildren, 7 great grandchildren and so far 7 gg grandchildren. Family history research became his passion and he wrote out the information he had in 4 hardback books, 1 for each grandchild. I have my mother's copy. I have scans saved on my Google Drive. Once I have your email address, I can share this with you.
Also through RootsChat, I have been in contact with another of our rellies, Gillian who is descended from the Johnson side of our family. She is also in contact with 3 other Johnson descendants.
I use GRAMPS as my tree program and am still learning how to use it, but I will try to create a Register report, which will have Richard's research to send to you, if you give me your email address.
I have also sent this message as a PM with my email address.
I would love to see the information that you have and photos. I have some and I am in the process of digitising them and uploading them to my Google Drive, so I can share them.
Thank you for contacting me.
Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year
Victoria
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Hi
I have been to the library today and found the baptism for William Gowland, resided Cowick, Bapt Snaith son William Gowland & Betty Dimaline Oct 30 1791. This was a transcription from the Parish Register so I could not look to see if there were any other comments.
Also the register for marriage entry for William Goulden and Betty Demaline are held at Treasure House, Beverley, E. Yorks, for some unknown reason no microfiche has been produced.
bendywendy
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Hi bendywendy,
Thank you very much indeed for looking - really appreciate it.
Victoria