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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: allaust on Wednesday 22 April 09 14:32 BST (UK)
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anyone have any info on Sylvia Sabine (nee ???) married Herbert Sabine sometime between 1930 and 1960?
Thanks
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Hi allaust,
Welcome to rootschat!
I willl be visiting the Qld State Archives in the next day or two and will be happy to check the fiche for the Sabine marriage. However marriages on fiche only go to 1939 so your marriage may not be there.
Can you confirm that you are looking for a marriage between 1930 and 1960? That is an awfully big date range :-\ ....
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hi, would be appreciated . All the info I have is Herbert Leslies' first wife Lillian Naomi (they are my grandparents) died 1934.
In 1955 I have a letter signed Dad and syl. He died 1961 and she is mentioned in the will.
No other info ... would love to know anything about her. Thanks. I know it's a needle in the haystack situation.
julie
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Here is the enlistment of a possible daughter in ww2
SABINE, IVY NAOMI
information freely available
http://www.naa.gov.au/index.aspx
She was living in South Brisbane aged 23.
Do you think her father was also there and perhaps she was living with him?
Sue
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hey thanks sue,
Yes have this one, she is my aunt. There was another sister and my dad. I have all Sabine war records. It's just Sylvia who is the mystery.
Obviously "the wicked stepmother", but who was she ? where did she come from? where did she go?
She will turn up , someone must know.
Julie
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Hi,Julie
Obviously "the wicked stepmother",
The war service papers for [I assume ] your father digitised on NAA show that by 1942, he did not know his father's address, although, at this stage names him as next of kin, while nominating the other sister Yvonne as person to be advised of injury etc.
So it appears there was perhaps some ill-feeling, as you say.
Sue
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on the 1936 Electoral Roll
Herbert Leslie Sabine at 126 Elizabeth Street, Brisbane manufacturing optician
but no one else by the same name at the address . So might indicate not remarried by that date.
Do you know where Herbert L Sabine is buried, perhaps if Sylvia is also buried with him her death date may be of some help as well.
JEnn
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allaust,
I'm afraid I had no luck at the Archives finding the marriage of Herbert and Sylvia between 1925 and 1939. :-\
There were other Sabine 'events' but no Herbert. They either married after 1939, or perhaps they didn't even marry?
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Thanks for that, all very mysterious. I have the distribution of his will and it says "widow Sylvia Mable Sabine". MMmmmmmhhhhhhh ???
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if Sylvia Mabel Sabine was his wife at the time of making the will, it's a bit unususal i'd think to call her his " widow"?
Also I think the Brisbane City Council has a website that has Brisbane cemeteries on it and there lists are searchable... maybe if this is wrong someone will correct me please.
charlotte
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You're right Charlotte:
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE:775298943:pc=PC_899 but the Sabines aren't there. :-\
But these are only the council cemeteries - there are others, but I don't know if they're searchable online. Maybe someone knows of other cemeteries?
I think what allaust is saying is that when Herbert's estate was being divided up after his death, some of it went to his widow.
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haha, it's a mystery. we only realised she existed a few months back, but no one has heard of her.
Hence the stepmother reference.
Distribution of Herberts estate in 1963
gives 1/3 to widow sylvia etc (MH82/63-m.13) whatever that means. then says transferred to 1a acc.
Anyone translate that?
There are 3 references to widow.
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Hi,
Are you able to answer Jenn's question [reply #6]
Do you know the burial and any other death details of HERBERT?
Sue
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Hi Again,
Perhaps this birth in Qld is worth posting.
1896/C7525 Coley, Sylvia Mabel. father Philemon Lewis. mother Lucy Harley.
She is the only woman with those given names [ in that order] born in Qld in a workable time frame.
May also be quite irrelevant ;D
ADDING:
This woman married
1916/C456 Coley, Sylvia Mabel to Walker William.
Sue
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thanks for that will research that line. Makes sense she could have been widowed / divorced as he was.
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Do you know where Herbert L Sabine is buried, perhaps if Sylvia is also buried with him her death date may be of some help as well.
JEnn
Hi,
Are you able to answer Jenn's question [reply #6]
Do you know the burial and any other death details of HERBERT?
Sue
Hi
If you have any info on Herbert's death it may help locate Sylvia Mabel.
Cheers
Cando
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I think the refence to his widow Sylvia in his will is just that she became his widow upon his death.
It would be interesting to read what was actually written in his will
Jenn
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Sylvia, the distribution from his will you are quoting is that from the actual will or the probate of that will,
do you have a date of death for Hertbert? you could look in the newspapers for a funeral notice that might reveal more about her.
Jenn
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Following from Sue's info - she died in 1952.
Australian Electoral Rolls
1919, 1925
WALKER Sylvia Mabel "Coleys" Brisbane Street IpswiCh Rd. Charwoman
only WALKER at the address.
Queensland Electoral 1949
WALKER Sylvia Mabel 12 Clarence Street, South Brisbane HD
only WALKER at the address.
and no Sylvia Mabel in 1949 at the following address -
SABINE Herbert Leslie 32 Griffith Street, New Farm Optician
SABINE Yvonne Elsena 32 Griffith Street, New Farm Brass and Steel Worker
Burial record
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899
WALKER Sylvia Mabel 11 Jan1952 55 years
Cemetery South Brisbane Cemetery
Portion 5D Grave Number 124B
Cando
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Hi
Disappointing. NOT her :(
Cando,
Yvonne Elsena is Herbert's daughter.
The other Ivy, we have mentioned.
In his war service record the brother of these 2 women, Charles, sites her as 'person to be informed of injury etc."
Sue
ADDING
From service records...
It is noteworthy also that in 1940, Charles did not know his father's address, but did know Yvonne's.
Likewise in 1942
In 1944 Yvonne had a diferent address, which Charles gives, but still does not know his father's whereabouts
By 1949, father and sister are together at the same address. [Cando, electoral]
Now, I cannot help wondering whether Herbert and Sylvia were not in Qld during those years.