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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: carolineb on Wednesday 22 April 09 10:23 BST (UK)
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I am looking into the BEADLE family... My husband's Dad, Mervyn Beadle, was born in India around 1925, where his dad was a train driver probably during WW1. Mervyn's grandfather was in the British Army which is how he ended up in India. Mervyn had a brother called Derrick and another called Russell. There were step brothers and sisters, possible May and Trevor.
Sorry to be so vague, where do I start with this? ??? What's the first step to putting together a family tree... there is so much info around that I've found it all rather scary up until I found this very friendly and helpful site, so thanks to anyone for any tips! ;)
Mervyn has lived in England since after WW2.
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Welcome to rootschat ;D
I'm not an expert on India and how one accesses the records but I do know there is a site [go*gle for it] about British Families in India. That may have some links to data bases.
You use the present tense about Mervyn, so I assume he's alive.. can you ask him if he has his birth certificate or is able to tell you where he was born and the date of his birth?his parents exact names? that would get some concrete facts to start with.
Can he tell you also which regiment his grandfather was in? You need that to access army records more easily.
You need to think also about how you are going to record the info you gather... have you a computer genealogy program- ?
This is all just a start and others will have ideas also- keep posting here with more info and then you'll enable others to help you also.
charlotte :D
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Thanks so much Charlotte - I need all the hand-holding I can get! :P
Yes he is still alive, I'll get that info from him soon... and be back with more details. I didn't know there was a genealogy program, can you recommend one?
Caroline
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I have some more info - :D
Mervyn was born 25 Feb 1925. His father was Edward John Beadle, mother Maude McAllum I think.
His paternal grandfather was Amos BEADLE, in India 53rd Field Battery Royal Artillary.
He had several siblings:
Lesley - deceased
Rowley - deceased
Derrick
Russell
Kathleen - deceased.
I'll try and get some dates -
Caroline
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Caroline, Nail down as much factual detail of dates, events, places as you can and make a note of who tells you what. As time passes you forget the source then end up in trouble- I've been there, done that so be careful to note sources.
Re keeping the data... there are free computer programs for download. I think the LDS familysearch web site has one called something like Personal Ancestral File[?] and people say it's Ok if you don't already have a family history program on your pc.
Re siblimgs you mention- even tho deceased note birth details and death details/dates , places. and put down what you can establish about Derrick and Russell.
You're going great guns so keep at it--
charlotte
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www.familysearch.org
shows some children to an Amos Beadle and "Nancy"
Source is:
Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948 India. Office of the Registrar General
Edward John Beadle, b. 10 Jan 1890 chrs. 1 Feb 1890, Kirkee, Maharashtra, India
Lucy Selina, b. 17 Oct 1891 chrs. 30 Oct 1891, same place
Ethel Ada, b. 21 Oct 1894 chrs. 10 Nov 1894, Hyderabad Lind, Maharashtra, India
If you then have a search here:
http://search.fibis.org/
you can find a marriage for Amos Beadle to Nancy Russell in 1887.
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Thanks Charlotte, I'll try that one.
Jorose thats so exciting! Thank you so much, I'm really grateful, I feel as though I've really started now... ;D
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Hi, I should have asked you if you are on Mac or a pc before talking about genealogy programs... :-[ So which is it ?
Jorose's post has great stuff in it, doesn't it... ;D
It's the way it happens , bit by bit, with others helping :D
charlotte
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http://rwilson.us/comparison.htm
above is a link to a chart comparing genealogy software programs.
I found the link by putting "comparison of genealogy programs" into G**gle- there are quite a number of sites you could look at as this one I went to may at this stage be a bit overwhelming- have a look and see what you make of it...
Also this site doesn't mention prices... ::) ::)
PAF, Personla Ancestral File is free I think... which is nice
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte - I did download PAF, but I'm on a Mac, and it wont open so I assume its for PC. I'll check out the other website you sent. thanks!
I'm so happy to have found you guys,... what was a very tentative dip into a huge sea of stuff has suddenly become a real and friendly opportunity for me to find out things I've been asking for ages. :-*
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Sorry not to have asked that question about Mac or not earlier :-[ :-[ :-[
If you g**gle for "genealogy software" AND MAC it should come up with some sites that talks about it... if I find anything I'll post again...
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http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm#Mac
Hi again,
the program called REUNION is I understand the best of the Mac programs but it's not cheap :( :(
Have a browse on the site at the link above and you may find one that is free and OK for Mac...
charlotte
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I have found Mac Family Tree, did a demo and its fantastic - but its £33. Thinking about that!
I found a free one, called Personal Ancestry Writer (PAW) which I'm trying out now... its very basic, but I suppose its a starting point - I think I'll end up with the £33 in the end as its very Mac orientated and looks great! ;)
thanks, cx
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One of the NB questions to ask about a program if/ when you are buying software is... does the initial purchase price included updates for ever or for X years or not at all and you have to pay for each update?- that needs to be factored in to your thinking if buying.
Family Tree Maker which I use on a pc doesn't include updates and it becomes quite expensive if you want to keep updating it.
If PAW has links with the LDS- [Mormons] and is free to download on their site familysearch it should be OK.
keep us posted with what you're up to...
charlotte
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I read some reviews and Mac Family Tree frequently has updates, and they are for free, sounds quite good!
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Jorose, i cant find the record on familysearch of the birth of Amos and Nancys children again ??? - how can i find it?
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I have found an Amos who was christened in Keston, Kent on 6 July 1851. His parents were George Beadle and an Elizabeth. Could be him, if he got married in 1887? My husband thought Amos came from Kent. Then there is a marriage listed between a George Beadle and Elizabeth Richardson in 1826, in Surrey - is it them, I wonder.
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carolineb, hi again, do you know about freebmd where you can lookup births, death and marriages that werre post 1837 ?
G**gle for freebmd
it doesn't give you total answers unfortunately but it does give registration details-person's name , which quarter of the year event was and where for these events- then you can rummage around and check with census etc...
charlotte
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here's the link to freebmd...
good hunting :D
www.freebmd.org.uk
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thank you Charlotte :-*
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Amos Beadle appears on the 1861 census in Keston Kent with parents George & Elizabeth (RG9/462 Folio 103 Page 8 ) , and his baptism appears on the IGI index (www.familysearch.org) on 6 July 1851. However, I can't find a birth certificate entry for an Amos Beadle. However, there is a "male Beadle" registered in Bromley, Kent in Q2 of 1851 - Volume 5, page 57. It might be worth checking that one out.
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Thanks so much Nick, I will follow that up! :)
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the program called REUNION is I understand the best of the Mac programs but it's not cheap :( :(
Hi,
Happy to confirm that the Reunion programme is ace for Mac. I used geditcom for several years but was bought Reunion as a Birthday present and find it excellent. If you habve an iPhone you can use an App of Reunion on it too ;-)
Colin
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mmm, thanks Colin, I'll look into that!
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Hello Caroline
I am just returning to the pursuit of my ancestors after a summer break and just saw your research of the Beadle family, Amos Beadle was my mother's grandfather, I have some further info, though not much, if you are interested, let me know.
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Thank you for getting in touch -I am certainly very interested! Who was/is your mother? Where was she born?
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My mothers maiden name was Nancy Caroline Wilson, born 27/09/1927 in India, her mothers maiden name was name was Lucy Beadle. Lucy married John Arthur Martin in 1913. I think he either died or they were divorced, at this stage I would guess died in the 1st war, she was married again, although I'm not sure when, to Chistleworth Aubrey Wilson (what a magnificent name). They had two children, my mother and her brother Reginald. Lucy's parents were Amos & Nancy (née Russell) Beadle. I have notes of other family members which I have to dig out so will let you know when I've done so. Also I have a couple of photos of Lucy and her mother Nancy if you are interested.
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Bluebadger, thank you for your reply. I'm very excited!
You may have this already but.. Your grandmother Lucy was the sister of Edward John Beadle and an Ethel who we think died young.
Edward John Beadle was born in 1890 in India. His son Mervyn is one of 10 children from 2 different marriages. So that makes Mervyn (my husbands father) and your mother Nancy cousins. Mervyn (still alive) told me that Lucy had 2 children, Joy and Reginald. I don't know whether he knew about your mum Nancy. Is she still alive?
Amos was born in Keston, Kent, in 1850. He was one of 11 children born to George Beadle and Elizabeth (nee Richardson).
I would love to see pictures of Lucy and Nancy, I will send you a message with my email address. Are you living in the UK?
Many thanks again, Caroline
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Hi Bluebadger and Carolineb,
I realise that this is an old thread, but wondered if you had traced George Beadle and Elizabeth Richardson's lineage back any further.
I strongly suspect that George Beadle is the brother of my 4xg grandfather Thomas Beadle.
Both George and Thomas were born in Cudham according to censuses. Thomas married a 16 year old at St John the Baptist Croydon in Nov 1826, and George Beadle was a witness. George married a 17 year old Elizabeth Robinson in Dec 1826 at the same church - I haven't checked for their witnesses.
Finding baptisms for Thomas and George is proving tricky - because the records for Cudham for that period are in a shocking state. The curate kept the records in higgldy piggaldy state.
Have you had any luck with George's baptism?
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Hi Alexnip
I havent done anything further on this, and didn't find any baptisms for George or Thomas.
For some reason I stopped looking into this, but I did come across some info along the way which may or may not have any substance - although I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, there may be something here!
I checked back through my notes and this is what I had scribbled down:
George Beadle b about 1800 (the George that married Elizabeth Richardson), his possible parents: George Beadle b. 24 Jan 1775. Married an Elizabeth and had a Thomas 13 Nov 1803. This Thomas married a Hannah - does that fit with your 16 year old?
The parents of George(1775) may have been: George Beadle b. 17 Aug 1735, death 28 Feb 1810; and a Sarah Green, married 16 Nov 1767 Cudham Kent.
The parents of George Beadle (1735) may have been: John Beadle b. 1712 and an Elizabeth.
The parents of John Beadle (1712) may have been: John Badgley and Sarah Coffin
The parents of John Badgley may have been: John Badgley and Euphemia Radley.
I would be very interested to hear if any of this is verified. I do have a death cert for George if any good.
best of luck. Caroline.
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Hi Caroline,
Yes, that is the family I mean and Hannah Hall is the 16 year old who married Thomas Beadle :)
The tree that you have seems to be one that originates from a lovely guy called Gavin Taylor from New Zealand. He has sadly passed away now, but when I originally asked him about sources he said that someone had passed him the information & the tree had to be checked. Gavin was a descendant of Thomas's son George Beadle, & his family tree website is here http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~taylgl34/gavins_ancestry.htm.
I have been using parish baptism records to verify lineages for Thomas Beadle & Hannah Hall. Hannah has been pretty straightforward but Thomas's baptism was more elusive.
What I do have is the information from this website:
http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/PRTranscripts/CudhamChr1800.html
Which gives a baptism for Thomas with parents George and Elizabeth Beadle. The transcript was pulled together by Henry Mantell and his team from the original records at Bromley.
But that's as far as I've got!
Kind Regards, Alex