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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: morgany on Tuesday 21 April 09 14:37 BST (UK)
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I need help please to find out about William Edgar/Edger/Edgers. He was married to Ann Wilson at Flimby in 1803 and together they had 7 children -Peter (ch 1804), George (1812), John (1814), ? George (1816), William Wilson (1818) and David (1821-1823). I am desperate to find out more about William and his wife Ann (more especially William) such as date of birth, place of birth and if possible, his parents names. Is there anyone out there can help me. I have already received some good help to get this far but as I have an 83 year old mother and 85 year old aunt waiting for news on their roots, I am sure you can appreciate time is of the essence. I will at some stage be going to the Records office but that is out of the question as I am currently nursing a broken leg (rugby at my age !!!) Many thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.
Morgany
aka Tricia
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William and ann married november 10th 1803 under licence so I suspected an imminent arrival but couldn't spot any in the year afterwards. Have you got the birth parish for Peter? they could have moved back to one of thems parish (sorry about the english).
If you go to www.cumberlandroots.co uk and hunt in adjacent parishes you may find an edgar or two. I fear there are too many wilsons to trace ann without better info.
bob
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Hi, thanks for the help. Peter was christened at St. Michael's in Workington, as were the subsequent children so it would appear that is where the family took up residence after they were married. I am assuming that Ann was from Flimby as it was usual for a couple to marry in the parish of the bride (I thnk) but I have searched on IGI and Ancestry UK for William and although there are three in the 1841 census (all living in Cumberland) I cannot see which is the right one - if it is any of these. I feel as if I have reached a dead end.
Many thanks in advance for any help you can give
Morgany
aka Tricia
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Tricia, I may be hindering rather than helping cos none of the following is edgers - nearly all edger.
www.cumberlandarchives.co.uk only have workington marriages but I figured out that if william came from workington he might have siblings who married there about the same time. ???
George, mason marries(m) Mary Dixon 12-7-1800
Edward Jordan, waggoner,27,m. Margaret, 23, Harrington 3-7-1803
John Mcdonald,35,w, miner m. Mary,w, 28 30-3-1807
Joseph , mason m Ann Barwise 8-6-1797
Which took me to Harrington to see if there was Magt family.
Thomas, labourer m. Catherine Mitchinson 15-10-1778
If you cross these with IGI there are 2 possibilities in Harrington 1779 (but this is submitted) and 1786 (too late for us and he seems to have married Mary Batey in 1809(both extracted).
If you then try IGI for parents (names but no other fields) you get 2 "families" - 1 1828 to 1842 and the other much later but before the 1881 census.
You may want to chop up the above and feed it to mum and aunty in little bits although we still use my mother (at 87) as our first line of enquiry. For instance Fathers oldest sister was not grandads but "that ginger cobbler from Senhouse st"!
good luck
bob
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Yes, I know what you are saying about the Edgers/Edger bit but I think he lost the 's' of somewhere - the other problem is that there seems to be a little million Edgards/Edgers/ etc in Cumberland - I think they originated from Scotland and obviously someone had a bike !!
Anyway, you weren.t hindering with the info, it appears that these people were William's siblings (or at least some of them, but I am still desperate to know William's date of birth and his parents names (and if possible his place of birth). Unfortunately I have run as much as I can past mother and aunty - they haven't a clue really they can't seem to see past the family in the 1900's in Co. DUrham and they can't grasp things unless they are written down in front of them. But I shall soldier on. Any further help would be very gratefully received - the info provided so far has been great and has been added to the tree...
Many thanks
Tricia
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Well if it helps these seem to be the families of the various marriages with the christening year following
Thomas and Catherine Mitchinson(15-10-1778) Jonathan 83, william 86, john89, elizabeth 93, george 95, peter 98 and james 1800
George and Mary Dixon (12-7-1800) david 01, jane 03, mary 05, dorothy and george 08, george 11 and robert 13.
Joseph and Ann Barwise (8-6-1797) mary 98, david 99, joseph 03, edward 06 and james 08
Edward Jordan and margaret (3-7-03) edward 04, catherine 06, thomas 08, thomas 11, john 14, william 17, and george 19.
Couldn't find a family for John Mcdonald and mary in cumberland despite trawling 3800 names on my dial up commodore 64 (only joking)
bob
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That was absolutely brilliant - thank you so much. You are obviously an expert in this field and I have found your information invaluable. As a result of your last post I have now moved very quickly and I have ascertained that Willliam's father was Thos. Edger born/ch 1755 in Workington. Thos's father was one Jonathan Edger born/ch 1717 in St. Bees. BUT - guess what - hit a wall again. It would seem that Jonathan's father was Robert but there are three to chose from and all born around 1652 but I feel that if any of those are the right Robert it would make him quite old when he fathered the children (Jonathan and his siblings) as their ch dates range from 1709 to 1722. What do you think?
Kind regards
Tricia
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will have a look at them tonight but in the meantime
William 22, mariner m. Mary Batey of Camerton 29-4-09
Jonathan,24, miner m. Mary Ray, 20, 28-10-1809
Peter 24, ropemaker m. Sara Johnson,w,6-2-1820
All 3 of them Thomas & Catherines I would say - the ages are often a year or so out.
On a quick look the only reference I have for St. Bees is a Jane Edgar of St. Bees marrying Thomas Bell at Harrington 27-5-1673. Now I'm fairly sure of my date but on IGI you will get 3 different submissions by 3 different people probably and 2 of the dates are 23-6-1673 which is why I said you have to be a bit careful on submissions. But it at least shows there was a family in St Bees
I've also got a marriage for an Elizabeth to a Thomas Gordon 22-9-28 but no age so she could the only elizabeth we have could have married late (35ish) or we are missing an elizabeth.
Speak soon
bob
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Sorry can't find any st. bees records on line without paying. So. Don't know about Roberts birthday but found a convenient marriage to Mary Crosthwaite 16-10-1716 - the year before jonathans birth and 2 potential siblings in Hannah 1721 (submitted) and Mary 1722.
There is another marriage in 1695 to a mary Dixon but I can't find any children likely to spring from it.
Also found potential siblings for Thomas in phoebe 8-9-67 and may 14-8-70 although you would think more children might have been around. I assumed Jonathan married Elizabeth Lash (bp24-3-1718) on 20-1-1739 but that makes her 50 when she has may and 15 years before Thomas was born. If you can get to the records I look for them coming off the belt end every 2 years even if there is the odd 1 missing due miscarriage or perinatal.
bob
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Hi again - I am still up to my knees in Edgars and still looking for Robert's date of birth. I have discovered two Roberts and as you said, one is stated as marrying Mary Crosthwaite in 1716 however (there has to be one doesn't there!!) the only Mary Crosthwaite I can come up with was born in 1705 and married someone called Joseph Herd. I am getting a bruised forehead and an indentation in the wall at this end.
I have joined a forum for Saint Bees and when my address is validated I am going to see if anyone on there has access to parish records etc. that might illuminate my search for Robert. I did follow one of the Roberts back and his father was a William Edger of St. Bees and HIS father was one Taffetie (!!) Edger born goodness knows where - Scotland perhaps or Ireland even.
So I am still desperately seeking Robert - not sure of his spouse's name - it could be Mary Crosthwaite but that name may have been submitted (not sure).
Kind regards
Tricia
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Here are a few Edgars mentioned at St Bees
Robert Edgar
Children-Joseph Edgar 1714,Mary Edgar 1722,John Edgar1680.
Mary Edgar m Robert Graham 1746
Mary Edgar m Jonathan Stainton 1762
John Edgar m Jane Benn 1654
Hope that this is helpful.
Edgars are also mentioned at Allonby.
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Hi
Thank you for the info - it would seem that there are Edgars all over the place. Its not such a common surname over here in Yorkshire and I didn't realise how many there are in Cumbria until I started this search.
I have now got back to a Jonathan Edger born 1717 whose father was one Robert Edger - and this is where I am stuck again. I have a Robert m Mary Crosthwaite in 1716 but I have Mary Crosthwaite marrying Joseph Herd in 1737 so I am thinking that maybe Mary was married twice - first to Robert and then to Joseph. Then things get even more complicated because there seems to have been two Mary Crosthwaite's - same parents but one born in 1696 and the other born in 1706.
I think I should stick to knitting !!
If you are in a position to shed any light on the above, your help would be greatly appreciated. I got the information from the IGI site - looking at the ancestral files. I was directed there by a lady on the St. Bees forum and that was a great help. I will email the Record Office for confirmation of dates etc. eventually but I need to have things straight in my own mind first otherwise there is a good chance I will be going off in completely the wrong direction.
Many thanks
Tricia
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This may overlap Elizann's reply but St Bees does feature in freecen (like freebmd but for census's/censi?). There was 1 family in the earliest census I checked. For everybody else there are quite a few cumberland places already transcribed.
bob
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Hi Morgany
sorry for butting in but im trying to find my grand fafher whos name might be George Edgar or Joseph who lived in Workington in1933/34 and fatherd an ilegitemat daughter ,my mum Frances Farish Im desperatly trying every avanue to no avail Grandmother was gladys Farish of flimby
grateful for any thing
Jackie