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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Bearluvin on Sunday 19 April 09 22:58 BST (UK)
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Hi - I would like to find the following family on the 1871 or 1881 census. They lived in Lennox and Addington County:
Andrew (Anson) Peters, wife Melinda and daughter Annie Ruth. Annie was born about 1868 and married around 1881 to Titus Card.
Thank you,
Donna
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Welcome to RootsChat, Donna
1880 U.S. Census, Forest Rivers, Grand Forks, Dakota Territory, dated 11 June 1880.
Anson Peters, born about 1847 in Canada. He was a farmer. His parents were born in Canada.
Wife, Melinda, born about 1848 in Canada. Her parents were born in Canada.
Daughter, Emma, born about 1873 in Canada.
Son, Willie, born about 1875 in Canada.
Daughter, May, born about 1877 in Canada.
Daughter, Trances (could be Frances), 6 months, born in Canada.
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So far, cannot find Annie.
There is a Titus Card, age 20, born in Canada, living in Rodman, Jefferson, New York in 1880. He was a servant, farm hand and single.
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Donna, I have found information which shows that Andrew and Anson were not the same person.
The following marriage is in the Ontario marriage database:
Anson Peters, 31, born Earnestown, son of John and Polley Ann Peters married Malinda Peters, 27, born Camden Township, daughter of Peter and Orilla D. Wager on 8 Apr 1876 in Frontenac County.
According to the 1851/1852 Canada census for Camden East, Addington County, John and Polly Ann Peters had sons named Andrew and Anson. Here's a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada (entry starts on line 28):
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e094/e002339978.pdf
I also found a birth in the Ontario births database for Durwood Belmont Peters born 28 Oct 1884 to John Anson Peters and Melindia Wagar.
I found a person's website that has this family included. According to his information, Melinda Wager was married first to Andrew Peters and had a number of children and then to Anson Peters and had more children. Here's a link to the page on Melinda Wager:
http://bgibbard.ca/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I126511&tree=bgibbard
Jacquie
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Thank you for the information. I didn't expect anything so quickly. It certainly gives me some things to check into. The children listed in the US census don't seem to match with the ones showing on bgibbard site so I wonder if they are the same family? The birth record for Durwood Peters is not the same as the one listed on his site either. Very confusing.
I would still like to find Annie Peters on the the 1871 or 1881 census if anyone has any luck with that.
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I forgot to mention that the marriage record is definitely the right one. Melinda's maiden name was Wager. I think I overlooked that before because she was listed as Malinda Peters. But if she first married another Peters then it would make sense.
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Hello from another 'bear' :)
I will be looking at 1871 films tomorrow and will have a look for Annie for you.
And a warm welcome to RootsChat!
Regards,
Polarbear
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Thank you for the information. I didn't expect anything so quickly. It certainly gives me some things to check into. The children listed in the US census don't seem to match with the ones showing on bgibbard site so I wonder if they are the same family? The birth record for Durwood Peters is not the same as the one listed on his site either. Very confusing.
On his site, he says that he isn't certain which children are from which marriage. Understandable considering it appears that none of the births were registered at the time they occurred (civil registration regarding births began in 1869 in Ontario).
The birth registration for Durwood Peters is actually a delayed registration dated May 1935 and the informant was his sister Alwilda Peters Valentine.
There is also a birth registration in the Ontario births database for Effie Maud Peters, daughter of Anson Peters and Malinda Wagar who was born 24 May 1883 in Camden Township. This birth registration is also a delayed one dated Sep 1940 and Alwilda Peters Valentine is the informant.
Regarding the census, Willie could be a nickname for Alwilda so it is possible that the enumerator assumed that Willie was male. Willie's age on that census does match up with the information Alwilda Peters Valentine gives on the delayed birth registrations (she says she was 6 years older than Effie and 7 years older than Durwood). Two of the other children on the 1880 census were May and Frances and he does have a Cecilia Mae and Frances listed. Not sure about the Emma.
If you want more possible confusion, there is a transcription of a marriage (no image) in the Ontario marriage database for an Anson Peters in 1865 as follows:
Anson Peters, 21, born Camden Township, son of John Peters and Betsy Ann Babcock married Emma Ann Bunder, 24, born Ernestown Township, daughter of Lance Bunder and Ann Hudson on 21 Jul 1865 in Sheffield Township, Frontenac County.
The age of this Anson and the name of his father match up with the information on the marriage registration to Malinda. It is possible that the given name of the mother was mistranscribed.
Hopefully Polarbear will be able to provide some answers after viewing the 1871 census.
Jacquie
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From the 1900 US federal census:
McHenry, North Dakota
Arthur Valentine, head, 25, married 2 years, born Aug 1874 in England, parents born England, immigrated in 1888, farmer
Alwelda Valentine, wife, 23, married 2 years, mother of 0 children, 0 alive, born Mar 1877 in Canada, parents born Canada, immigrated in 1886
Arthur I Peters, brother-in-law, 12, born Feb 1888 in North Dakota, parents born Canada
Malinda Peters, mother-in-law, 50, born Oct 1849 in Canada, father born Holland, mother born Scotland, immigrated in 1886
Malinda lists herself as being married, not a widow on this census so she and Arthur may have been visiting Alwilda on census day and not living with her.
From the 1906 census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta:
Strathcona, Alberta
Malinda Peters, head, 56, widow, born Ontario
Durwood Peters, son, 21, born Ontario
Arthur Peters, son, 18, born Ontario
Norah Peters, daughter, 15, born Ontario
This appears to be Malinda with son, John, on the 1911 Canada census (lines 19 through 26):
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=14957
From the 1916 census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta:
Bow River, Alberta
Archie Petters, 28, head, born United States, farmer
Ruth Petters, 5, sister, born Alberta
Malinda Petters, 66, mother, born Ontario
It says Ruth is Archie's sister but that is not possible.
By the way, the household immediately after Archie's consists of:
Wesley Wagar, 35, head, born Ontario, farmer
Nora Wagar, 25, wife, born United States
It seems quite possible that Nora Wagar is Malinda's daughter.
Jacquie
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Hello everyone
Here are the 1871 Census results for the Peters family......
Andrew Peters 31 b. Ontario Farmer Origin English
Melinda 32 b. Ontario Origin English
Frederick 4 b. Ontario Origin English
Polly Ann 2 b. Ontario Origin English
Religion E Methodist for all
So.....no Annie Ruth but there is the 'Ann' with the Polly
Living next door...
John Peters 53 b. Ontario Farmer Origin English
Polly Ann 52 b. Ontario Origin Unknown
Benjamin 30 b. Ontario Cooper Origin English
Amelia Babcock b. Ontario Origin German.......no relationship given but given the Babcock on the marriage of the Anson and Emma (posted earlier) is perhaps related? (I suspect the 'Betsy' could perhaps be 'Polly'?)
Religion E Methodist for all
District Addington (064)
Sub-district Olden (M)
p.15
Anson and Emma?
Anson Peters 26 b. Ontario Labourer Origin Dutch?
Emma 26 b. Ontario Origin Dutch
Howard 4 b. Ontario Origin Dutch
Religion E Methodist for all
District Lambton (004)
Sub-district Enniskillen (B)
p. 45
Looks like the couple from the marriage posted earlier? but 'Origin Dutch' adds an interesting twist.
Regards, Polarbear
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Polarbear, I think you've proven that Andrew and Anson definitely are not the same person.
On the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County, there is a Polly Ann, 12, born Ontario and Harry, 5, born Ontario in the household of John and Polly Ann Peters. Here's a link to the images (John, Polly Ann and Harry are the last entries on the bottom page of the first link and Polly Ann, 12, is listed first on the top page of the second link):
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008175259.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008175260.jpg
I think it might be helpful to summarize a little.
It appears that Malinda Wagar first married Andrew Peters about 1865 and had the following children:
Frederick, born abt 1867
Polly Ann (Anna Ruth?), born abt 1869
So far we don't have enough information to know whether Harry, born about 1876 who is on the 1881 census was their child or not.
Malinda next married Anson Peters on 8 Apr 1876 and had the following children:
Alwilda, born about 1877
May, born about 1878
Frances, born about 1879
John, born abt 1880
Effie Maude, born 24 May 1883
Durwood, born 28 Oct 1884
Arthur, born Feb 1888
Norah, born about 1891
There is a possible first marriage for Anson to Emma Bunder and they had a son named Howard, born about 1867.
The parents of Emma Peters on the 1880 census are not known but it's possible she was a daughter from Anson's first marriage (if that is the same Anson).
The family originated in Ontario, lived in North Dakota before finally settling in Alberta. It's too bad the 1890 US census was destroyed as that would have been a help.
Jacquie
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Great summary Jacquie :)
Mulling.....
The births for the children listed in the summary are reasonably well-founded, being from census and registration info. The births for most of these children are very different on Brant's website and less likely to be correct therein, IMHO.
Looks like Emma, who is with Anson and Melinda in 1880, might be his daughter from his first marriage? Wonder what happened to Howard b. 1867 (assuming his father was this Anson)? Haven't been able to trace him forward.
Haven't had any luck tracing Harry forward from 1881 either. His birth reg'n should solve his parentage. Can we find it?
Then there are the missing children....can we find birth or census info for them?
Sure is an interesting thread!
Polarbear
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Some of the birth years at his site are out. He lists a couple of names with email addresses as his source of some of the information. It appears that the Peters family is a not a direct connection so he may not have done much personal research. I sent a message to him through his website telling him about this thread since there does appear to be some new information that we have found on the family.
There is a picture of the grave of Anna and Titus Card at the site and it has a birth year for Anna of 1870 but grave markers have been known to have the wrong dates on them. They were buried in the Camrose Cemetery. Here's a link:
http://bgibbard.ca/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=1576&medialinkID=2574
On the 1881 census, I did find an Andrew Peters, 24, born Ontario, servant in Ernesttown, Lennox County. He was listed last in the household of Anson (50, Ontario) and Eliza J. (40, Ontario) Peters. Here's a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008174659.jpg
Besides being listed last, Andrew's religous affiliation (E Methodist) is different from this Anson and family (Church of England) so I think it is a safe bet that Andrew wasn't part of their immediate family.
I've found a death in the Ontario deaths database for Emily Peters who died 25 Aug 1875 in Olden, Frontenac County. Her age is listed as "not given" and the informant is listed as Anson Peters, husband of deceased. It seems quite possible that Emma and Emily are one and the same.
I also found a death registration listed at LDS Labs site for John A. Peters, son of Anson Peters and "Milando Wagner" who died 1 Jan 1938 in Mount Vernon, Skagit County, Washington. There isn't an image but odds are pretty darn good that "Milando Wagner" is Malinda Wagar.
I've found three of the children on the 1900 US census in McHenry County, North Dakota as follows:
Schuyler Wagor, head, 32, married 2 years, born Dec 1867 in Canada, parents born Canada, immigrated 1892, farmer
Effie Wagor, wife, 17, married 2 years, mother of 1 child, 1 alive, born May 1883 in North Dakota, parents born Canada
Grace M Wagor, daughter, 7 months, born Oct 1899 in North Dakota, father born Canada, mother born North Dakota
Norah D Peters, sister-in-law, 9, born Apr 1891 in North Dakota, parents born Canada
John Peters, brother-in-law, age is listed as unknown and the rest of the columns are blank.
This would be easier if this family didn't seem to have such an aversion to registering BMD events. ;)
Jacquie
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The family being in North Dakota makes sense as I have located Titus and Annie there in 1900 too. This is what I have so far for Titus:
1891 census (30) married to Annie (22) with son Hugh (1) Hinchinbrooke, Addington, Ont,
1900 census in North Dakota, McHenry County with his wife and 2 children (Hugh and Jennie) Note: There were a lot of Wagar families living in same town. There is also a Levi Card age 33 living in same town.
1906 census (40) in Strathcona, Alberta, Canada wife Annie and children (Hugh, Jennie, Luella)
1911 Canada census Alberta, Canada Town of Wetaskewin with
Wife Annie (42), Dau Jennie (17) and Dau Luella (5)
1911 / Alberta (Province) / Strathcona (District)/ 47 Wetaskiwin (Subdistrict)/ page 33
Titus and Annie Card came to the Ferry Point District about 1915. They lived on the SW 4, 44, 18 where Titus farmed and worked in the coal mine. It was on this place that Titus built a barn on the hillside. The bottom half is cement and that barn is still standing to this day (Rudy Gerber's site). From there they moved to Meeting Creek where they lived until their deaths a few months apart in 1938. They are both buried in the Camrose Cemetery.
Name: Card, Titus L.
Dates: 1859-1938
Cemetery: As The Wheel Turns Camrose
Cemetery number: 324
Plot Number: C 46 NNE
Legal description of cemetery location: SE-34-046-20-W4
(see pic of headstone)
Annie is the mystery. I went to my local library here in Chicago to access Ancestry.com. On the marriage record for Anson and Malinda Peters he is listed as a bachelor and she as a widow. So she did marry another Peters prior to Anson. So unless his being listed as a bachelor is a mistake it makes this all the more confusing.
Thanks so much for you help on this!!!
Donna
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Unfortunately they seem to have managed to avoid the 1885 ND census as well:
http://library.ndsu.edu/db/census/
http://library.ndsu.edu/db/naturalization/
- but Anson Peters is listed in the naturalization records.
Brief mention of Titus:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=3537743
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I am still trying to sort out all of this information. You guys are good! Thanks so much for your help. I think once I print it out and start entering the data into my family tree program I will be able to make sense of it. One thing that's confusing is that Anson was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage to Malinda. I'm wondering if Polly Ann and Annie Ruth are the same? The dates seem right, but the names so different. Also the Harry and Polly Ann on the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County would be Anson and Andrews brother and sister, right?
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One thing that's confusing is that Anson was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage to Malinda.
That's not unusual. I've come across widowers calling themselves bachelors and widows calling themselves spinsters on registrations for second (or third) marriages many times over the course of researching my lines and helping others with theirs.
I'm wondering if Polly Ann and Annie Ruth are the same? The dates seem right, but the names so different.
Polarbear and I both think that is a distinct possibility. The names aren't so different if she went by Ann when she was older. Maybe she didn't like the name Polly so she decided to call herself Anna Ruth instead.
Also the Harry and Polly Ann on the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County would be Anson and Andrews brother and sister, right?
The younger Polly Ann on the 1881 census was the daughter with Andrew and Malinda on the 1871 census. We're not sure whose son Harry was (could be either Andrew's or Anson's or one of their siblings). Polly Ann (Anson and Andrew's mother) would have been 57 when Harry was born so it's extremely unlikely that she was the mother. It's possible that after the death of Andrew that Polly Ann was sent to live with his grandparents. The same for Harry although, again, we aren't sure about his parentage.
Jacquie
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Thanks for your patience with me on this. Questions from the 1871 census:
I am wondering if the Anson and Andrew found are the right ones. Melindas age is 10 years off. This could just be an error, but then I am wondering what would have happened to the children listed. It's possible that the Polly Ann shown on the 1881 is now living with her grandparents as the age is the same. But what about Frederick and Howard? And where did Harry come from?
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Census are not the most reliable source of information when it comes to age and birth place. Her age on the 1871 census could be an error by the enumerator or a lie or her ages on other census and the marriage registration could be a lie.
As for Frederick and Howard, they could have died or they could have used other names (gone by a middle name) on subsequent census.
Regarding Harry, he is a bit of a mystery. It makes me wonder whether he was not a brother of the younger Polly Ann since he was listed before her. It is possible that he was the son of Andrew, Anson or another brother or the illegitimate son of a sister of theirs. Unless some BMD documentation is found it may remain a mystery.
Jacquie
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I found a possible death for Frederick Peters. This Frederick died 15 Oct 1878 at the age of 12 years, 5 months and 12 days in Olden, Frontenac County. There are no parents listed but the informant was "John Peters, grandfather". This matches up quite well with the Frederick who was on the 1871 census with Andrew and Malinda.
By the way, there is a death registration for Polly Ann Peters, 66, who died 4 May 1885 in Olden, Frontenac County.
I've also found a birth for Albert Peters, son of Anson Peters and Emily Bunder, who was born 25 Aug 1875 in Olden, Frontenac County. I wonder if he could be Harry?
Jacquie
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Here's Emily's death........
Emily Peters (Albert was actually written but crossed out)
Date says 25 Aug 1875 (Albert's birth date) BUT is registered 07 Oct 1875 so I would think the actual date should be closer to the Oct one.
She didn't die in childbirth but from a liver complaint and heart disease.
Informant was Anson Peters, Husband
Emily was born in Ernestown, Ont
Religion Episcopal Methodist.
To me it looks like the Registrar(?) started to put Albert's birth on the Death Register?
Polarbear
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Hi, my name is Kerry peters. My great great grandparents were Melinda and Anson peters. My grand father has alot of information on them because those were his grandparents. If you wish to know more and discuss this it would be of great help, so just let me know because I can get alot of information for those still wondering. I can trace Melinda wager back to 1660's and I also have alot of other information about the family. So please contact me because I am very interested in my family history.
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Hello Grandpapeters
I'm not the original poster so am not related. I just wanted to welcome you to RootsChat.
Hopefully Bearluvin will come back up before too long. I believe that once you have made 3 postings you would be able to use the PM (Private Message) system to try another avenue of contact if you don't hear from Bearluvin on this message board.
Regards
Polarbear
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Since several have expressed interest in this line, I would like to extend my offer to look up earlier family information. My files mainly cover 1700 to 1820 but my main interest is in family origins. Peters, Snyder, Babcock and Lewis families intermarried often in Eastern Ontario. I recently offered Bearluvin the following, but the posting is a bit old:
Your posting Sunday 19 April 09 mentions interest in the Peters family.
I have extensive research files for the Peters family from CT, USA that went to Eastern Ontario. I have traded information with Brant. I am a direct descendant of Samuel Babcock, born in Tappan, NY in 1735 whose daughter, Elizabeth went to Camden Township, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario in 1788 with her husband William Lewis. Their son, Thaddeus Lewis, born 1793 was an Episcopal Methodist Minister in the area from 1815 till 1866. Do you have any questions about the origins of the Peters line or connecting families?
Regards,
sword
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I am the 4th Great granddaughter of William Lewis and Elizabeth Babcock. Family information indicates that he was a Loyalist in the Revolutionary War. Do you have any information?
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I have lots of information and I am willing to share it. William b. 1754 served under Thomas Ward, John Byard and Captain David Babcock. William received two land grants of two-hundred acres each for his military service, Elizabeth was the daughter of Samuel Babcock, a Loyalist, and Rachel, also a Loyalist. My line is through Thaddeus b. 1793 m. Elizabeth Milligan; Timothy R. b. 1826 m. (1) Experience Holmes; Hugh T. b. 1848 m. Sarah Muir; Martha Lewis b. 1882 m. William Watson.
I have been very interested in the Babcock line and I have information available through relatives on Rootsweb. Please send me a personal message with any questions you have and I'll try to answer.
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Hi - Just checking in after the new post. I am still interested in information on the Peters line. It's been a while since I've researched it so I need to refresh my memory.