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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: mandycooky on Sunday 19 April 09 17:08 BST (UK)
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hi all
back again to ask for your help xxxxx. trying to trace the williamson line of my family even my father is stumped . all we know is that my grandma his mum jane williamson nee smith was married to my grandfather james arthur williamson 1899 was born in seaham harbour but we cant find him anywhere . we do know that he was married before my nana and when marrying my nana brought his daughter with him xx they are a big family 11 of them they lived in blakelaw newcastle upon tyne . this is a tuffy we cant even find him on the family search .org . any help would be appreciated thanks in advance
mandy
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Hi,
I'm not sure but I think you are saying that your grandfather was born in 1899, not that that is the date of his marriage?
Here is a possible birth registration.
Sep 1899, Easington, 10a/494
James Arthur Williamson
I will have a look for him in the 1901 census.
Jen
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thankyou yes he was born in 1899 we dont know what qtr . my dad is youngest of 11.all he and his sister can remeber is that he came from seaham harbour ? is that durham? im not sure thankyou for your quick response
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Yes. Seaham Harbour is Durham and Easington would be the right registration district.
Here is a very likely family in 1901.
George D Williamson, 28, Ship Worker,
Maria, 25
James A, 2
George D, 8 months
All born Seaham Harbour.
Hang on whilst I look for George and Maria's marriage....
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A possible marriage:
Mar 1898, Sunderland, 10a/860
George Davison Williamson
Maria Johnson
Can your dad remember the names of any of his uncles or aunts on the Williamson side. It might help in finding them in the 1911 census.
Jen
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Baptism to match :)
St. John's Church, Seaham Harbour
26 Jul 1899 James Arthur Williamson, son of George Davison Williamson & Maria
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Hello Barbara,
Can you see them in 1911 because I can't. Think they may have been wrongly transcribed.
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Hi Jen, wasn't looking, was trying to find James Arthur's marriages, as that would be the best way to go to be sure of finding the right father for him. Will have a look now. :)
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Do we know roughly when James married Jane Smith?
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No, can't see them in 1911 :-\
Will have another look later, but you're right, a bit more information would help, Mandy, if you can tell us of any brothers and sisters, and the name of the daughter James brought with him to his 2nd marriage
(but be careful not to mention any living people in case of upset)
Barbara :)
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thankyou no i dont know when thet were married but i presume it was somewhere near tynemouth ? dont ask me why just my dad remembers that for some reason , rose was the daughter,s name . i do know my nana died around 1995ish cant remember when my grandad died as i was very little. i do do know hat an aunt was called maria ? maybe after her gran ? there is also a george in the family (one of dads brothers .
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i think ive made a boo boo and just noticed there is a durham board !!!! :o do i need to start a new thread on there ? my dad and his sister are ok with me putting these details on the board .
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No - I think it would probably just complicate things if you start another one. I will carry on searching later tonight as well. Suddenly realised that it is almost food time and I had done nothing about it.
Back later,
Jen
Maybe we could get this thread moved to the Durham board? see what Barbara says??
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ok thankyou enjoy your tea xxx
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Hi Mandy,
The moderator will move this thread to Durham if necessary, don't worry about that.
Birth registrations for James' father and mother
WILLIAMSON George Davison 1873 June Quarter Easington 10a 508
JOHNSON Maria 1876 March Quarter Easington 10a 514
Could your nan have been Jennie, or was she always known as Jane?
There's a marriage for a Jennie SMITH to a James WILLIAMSON
1924 December Qu Newcastle 10b 44
Barbara
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I wondered about tha Jennie marriage. And more so finding this birth:
June 1926, Tynemouth 10b/358
Jennie Williamson, Mother's M/S smith
Also all the following Williamsons have mother's M/S Smith.
Jane I. Dec 1923, 10b/41
John J, Dec 1925, Newcastle T. 10b/306
Edward, Sep 1927, tynemouth, 10b/330
Frances, jun 1934, " 10b/325
Leslie, Mar 1936, " 10b/317
Albert R sep 1940, Newcastle T. 10b/28
Also:
Williamson Rose
1920, Tynemouth, 10b/449 Mother's M/S Dewhirst - Is this the half sister from a previous marriage?
Jen
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Saw that too, but couldn't immediately see the Williamson/Dewhirst marriage
Back about 10pm, carry on Jen, doing a great job :D :D
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Saw that too, but couldn't immediately see the Williamson/Dewhirst marriage
I can't see it either. Mystery!
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Found it!
marriage 1920 Sept Quarter Tynemouth 10b 713
James WILLIAMSON to May DEWHURST
death March Qu 1922 Tynemouth 10b 389
May WILLIAMSON aged 24
Mandy, I think you'll need to get a few certificates to back all this up. If you order them from the local register office where the event took place, they should be able to confirm known details to make sure it's the correct cert before you part with your money
Just ask if you don't know how to go about ordering certificates
Kind regards
Barbara :)
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thankyou both for your hard work . you must be nightowls . i will indeed send for cert,s i do know my dad say,s there is a granny hunt somwhere . maybe jane,s side .the johnson name also rings a bell. im away to archives today so any updates i will let you know. thankyou once again for your help xxxx have a good day ( the sun is shining brightly today )xxx
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Found it!
marriage 1920 Sept Quarter Tynemouth 10b 713
James WILLIAMSON to May DEWHURST
death March Qu 1922 Tynemouth 10b 389
May WILLIAMSON aged 24
Where on earth were they hiding when I looked then? I searched those years, that spelling of Dewhurst ( and others) and absolutely nothing! Well done Barbara - did you have to trawl through original images or did they suddenly decide to make an appearance on FreeBMD?
Jen
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i do know my dad say,s there is a granny hunt somwhere .
Yep!! That's what we are all doing here!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Jen ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Jen,
I thought the same ;D ;D story of my life, a perpetual granny hunt!!
No secret, but they're not on freebmd, 1920 is only about 46% transcribed on there, they're in the full GRO index - not many years to search as James only born 1899, and Rose born 1920 :)
Hi Mandy, please come back and post all the certificate details when you have them, hope they're the right ones, and then we can hopefully help you get further back
Kind regards
Barbara :)
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hi i back again . ive found that on my jane williamson (smith ) marriage cert she was named on it as jennie !!! even her daughter didnt know about . i also found out that they lived in byker and also thames st wallsend . i also found a removal reciept for (Forestgate) london to newcastle in 1937 which cost them £7.00 nd 36 p. however i didnt find out my nana,s mums name .any help on this would be greatly appreciated i also have been told that jane (jennie) had a brother jack possibly (john),and sisters may and frances .jack (john was born in 1902 24th april.
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Hi Mandy,
Can you post the full marriage cert details, Jennie's age, address, father's name and occupation, and names of any witnesses
Barbara :)
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hi
thanks for your reply . Im affraid i cant because my aunt wont part with them but i do have info wrote down so here goes ..... jennie smith 21yrs - john william smith ( labourer) witnesses albert black and mary ellen black . took place in byker vicarge .they lived in Brock st , Byker.newcastle upon tyne .
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That's all I meant, Mandy, the details were needed to help find her father in the 1901 census as she would have been born c1903
However, there are a few John Smiths in 1901, as you can imagine, and he may not even have been married by then, so I think you're going to need her birth certificate to find her mother's name, unless you can find the family in the 1911 census. I can't see a birth for a Jennie, so maybe she was registered as Jane. You'd need to check each possible birth registration for her father's name, which you should be able to do at the local register office, as long as you intend to buy the cert..
Barbara :-\
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yes jennie was born and registered in the name of jane . jane was born 24th april 1904. she also had a brother named jack maybe (john ) born 24th april 1902. also sisters may , frances .but on her marriage cert her name is jennie !!! nobody knows why ? i have looked on familysearch.org but cant seem to find anything .she was born in byker .james and jennie (jane) were married in dec 1924.
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Well here's her possible birth registration so that you can get her certificate
SMITH Jane June Qu 1904 Newcastle T. 10b 184
That should show her mother's maiden name, and as I said, you can check for her father's name before buying the cert.
Barbara :)