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Hello
I am looking for the marriage between Jeffery/Geffery Webb to Mary (surname unknown) between 1736 - 1740 possibly in the area surrounding Reigate. Jeffery's 1st wife Jane was buried in Reigate 1736.
I say the Reigate area as their children were all baptised there. I checked the Reigate PR and they did not marry there. Neither did i find a baptism for Jeffery/Geffery Webb in Reigate.
Thank you in advance.
Ravelin
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Hi Ravelin
I checked the Surrey Marriage Index and saw Geoffrey's first marriage to Jane but no other marriages for him showing. I wonder if he married elsewhere in another county?
Kerry
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This is one on the IGI ?
Jeffery Webb
Spouse: Mary Ellis
Marriage: 12 FEB 1738 Westminster, London, England
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Hello Kerry & woody32
Thank you for looking for the marriage.
Yes Kerry, it does appear that he married in another county seeing as he is not listed on the Surrey Marriage Index.
The marriage on the IGI looks interesting Woody.
Jeffery's ist wife Jane is buried 23/2/1736 Reigate. The next child born to Jeffery is Geffery on the 30/10/1738 in Reigate. No mothers name is given. The Jeffery Webb & Mary Ellis marriage is after that if i am corect with the old calender dates ?
Ravelin
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Correction.
I just had a look at my notes and Geffery Webb & Mary are both named as the parents of the baptism of their child Geffery Webb 6/11/1738.
Going by the old calender dates would this rule out Jeffery Webb & Mary Ellis being the parents ?
Ravelin
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Correction.
I just had a look at my notes and Geffery Webb & Mary are both named as the parents of the baptism of their child Geffery Webb 6/11/1738.
Going by the old calender dates would this rule out Jeffery Webb & Mary Ellis being the parents ?
Ravelin
What do you mean by the old calender dates?
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I think Ravelin is talking about that being roundabout the time when the Julian changed to the Gregorian or was it the other way around. I think though in this case, this must be the right marriage and christening.
Kerry
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ahhhh.....but it would only make a diference at the most by 3 months ( i Think :P ) it would still fit in :)
please let a historian prove otherwise.....i do want to learn :)
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Yes i was referring to the time when the Julian changed to the Gregorian calender.
I did a google search for the IGI and the calender change. It appears that the IGI has converted the old julian calender dates between 25 March to 1 January into the later gregorian one.
This means that Jeffery Webb & Mary Ellis actually married 12th Feb 1737. Their son Geffery was born 9 months later. That is if they are the correct parents. They are a very good fit and i shall add them to my tree.
Here is the link to that site i found with info at the bottom of the page regarding the IGI & calender change. :
http://www.jaunay.com/lds.html
Ravelin
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Excellent news that it fits in with a good 9 months as well;D
I thought I was on the right track.
Kerry
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Yes Kerry. It is indeed excellent news. :)
I doubt there can be a better fit than a 9 month later baptism after a marriage. ;)
After learning that the IGI has converted the old dates between jan & mar before 1752 i think i need to review other marriages i previously found via that site to see if they still fit in with other family lines.
Revelin
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Hello again
I have found a Mary Ellis baptism in Reigate 1715. She would be 22 if she was the Mary Ellis who married Jeffery Webb in Westminster.
Should i presume this Mary Ellis or another Mary Ellis from the Westminster area as the wife of Jeffery Webb ? If Mary from Reigate is the wife then why do they both go to Westminster to be married ?
Ravelin
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Hi Ravelin
Taking the fact that Geoffrey came from Reigate and the children were all subsequently born in Reigate she could well have had a connection.
The couple going to Westminster to marry could be for any reason, perhaps parents didn't approve of marriage or perhaps she was working up there so in parish.
It is was me I would track down a copy of the marriage certificate from Westminster archives to see if it gave any clues at all.
Kerry
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Hello Kerry
Thanks for your thoughts on Mary Ellis.
Yes i guess there could be all kinds of reasons why they would marry there if Mary from Reigate is the correct person.
Yes i think i need to look at the original Westminster PR to see if it gives their place of abode as Reigate.
The IGI gives just Westminster as the place of marriage but i am not sure which church in Westminster that could be. :-\
Ravelin
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Hmm yes that's an odd one, I had a look on Hugh Wallis http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyLondon_including_Middlesex_(N-Z).htm#W and the batch doesn't match any of those.
Kerry
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That is very strange Kerry. :-\
Jeffery & Mary are certainly making it hard for me to track them down ! ;)
Ravelin
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Jeffery Webb and Mary Ellis are my great x 7 grandparents. I found their marriage today by chance in the "London, England, Clandestine Marriage and Baptism Registers, 1667-1754" collection on Ancestry.co.uk.
I think the reason they married there is something to do with the fact that Jeffery's first wife, Jane, died around the same time. The burial record gives a date of 23 Feb 1737. Jeffery's marriage to Mary took place on "12 Feb 1737-8" (so I'm not sure if it took place before Jane was buried, or the year after) at "Mr Lillys The Fleet". There are two documents recording the marriage, and in one Jeffery is clearly called a widower (and gives his occupation, husbandman), and both were from "Rye-gate"/"Rigate".
I can't find a baptism for Jeffery in Reigate, though there is a very good possibility a few miles away in Betchworth in 1711, son of Elizabeth Webb.
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Hello ScottH
Jeffery Webb and Mary Ellis are also my 7x Great grandparents
I have also found their marriage at "Mr Lillys The Fleet" via Ancestry.co.uk since i last posted a message in this thread.
Jeffery's first wife Jane Rickman was buried 23rd Feb 1736 which was a year before Jeffery married Mary Ellis on the 12th Feb 1737.
I agree that the Jeffry Webb son of Elizabeth baptised at Betchworth 1st Jan 1710 is our Jeffery.
I am decended from Jeffery & Mary's son Edward born 1750 then Edward's daughter Mary born 1779.
Ravelin
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Hi Ravelin,
Good to know you also found the marriage record.
I'm also descended from Edward born 1750, but then through his son Jeffery. I've not been able to find his marriage to Elizabeth, who was born in Oundle, Northamptonshire (according to the 1851 census).
Have you managed to trace any of the other lines further back, i.e. Elizabeth Webb, Mary Ellis, Sarah Puttock? It would also be interesting to know if you've found any other information on the families, other than what's in the parish records.
Scott
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I have not found your Jeffery's marriage to Elizabeth.
Mary Ellis was baptized at Reigate on the 7th Oct 1715 daughter of Edward Ellis & Sarah Dolbie. Edward & Sarah married the 10th Oct 1705 at Reigate. I have found two other children of Edward & Sarah baptized at Reigate. They are William who was baptized 4th Sep 1711 and Jane who was baptized 8th Nov 1713.
My Mary Webb born 1779 (Daughter of Edward) had an illigitimate son baptized 19th Mar 1808 at Reigate named Richard Killick Webb (my 4x Great Grandad). I don't know what happend to Mary after that.
Here is a list of other possible baptisms of our ancestors. At this time i am not sure which ones from the list are our ancestors :
Sarah Puttuck 22 Sep 1754 (Born 29 Aug 1754) at Bletchingly dau of John & Elizabeth.
Sarah Puttock 22 Dec 1754 at Ewhurst dau of Mary Puttock.
Sarah Puttock 5 Jul 1742 at Cranleigh dau of John.
Elizabeth Webb 7 Apr 1682 at West clandon dau of Thomas.
Elizabeth Webb 14 May 1695 at Puttenham dau of Richard.
Edward Ellis 10th Mar 1666 at Reigate son of John.
Edward Ellis 28th Dec 1679 at Reigate son of William.
Sarah Dalby 4th Aug 1669 at Reigate dau of Bryan.
Sarah Dalby 21st Feb 1669 at Reigate dau of Edward.
Ravelin
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Thanks very much for the information.
Having looked into these, on the Ellis family I did notice there is also an Edward Ellis baptised 1706 in Reigate, son of Edward and Jean. Mary's baptism doesn't give her mothers name, so they may be Mary's parents? I suppose it's also possible that they were the same couple.
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I forgot about that Edward Ellis baptism in 1706. I did make notes on it when i was a member of Ancestry.co.uk. I believe he is the son of Edward & Sarah because he was baptized nine months after they were married. Also the father Edward is named as a Labourer on that baptism and the baptism's of his children William & Jane.
Looking at that 1706 baptism the mothers name looks more like Joan to me. I think her name was a mistake in the Parish Register anyway.
Ravelin