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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Summerhill on Saturday 18 April 09 23:22 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I hope someone can help me . I am trying to trace my Limavady ancestors who were: James Cummings ,Ballycarton who married Elizabeth Mc Dermott,Duncrun in Bellarena Church ,Tamlaghtard on 22nd August,1871. James' Father was also James while Elizabeths' Father was Charles Mc Dermott.
James had two siblings Elizabeth who married John Coghlan in Bellarena Church,Tamlaghtard 3rd February 1877. and Daniel who marriedMargaret Mullins in the same church on 27th September, 1874.
I have obtained the above information after a long trawl through emerald Ancestors website.
What I am trying to establish are the 1)Name and maiden surname of their mothers.
2)Where can I go to obtain further information about where they may be buried as I hope to visit Derry & Limavady later this year and I would like to visit their graves to pay my respects.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Summerhill.
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Hi Summerhill,my Grandfather James McGill also lived in a mountain house in Ballycarton and in the 1901 census there was a Thomas Cummins living there also shown as "head of his household" there is a strong possiblity that your ancestors could have been buried either in St Aidans RC church if Catholic or Aghanloo Parish Church if not.
Magilligan /Ballycarton is a beautiful place and has been designated as an area of outstanding beauty
I visit the area and will have a look at headstones in both graveyards whilst there.
you could also make an appointment to see both churchs priest's or Church's secretaries
Regards to search for records
Gerald
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Thanks so much for that gem of information Edenreaghbeag.
What I do know is that James Cummings & his New bride Elizabeth moved to Derry after their marriage in 1871, where James worked as a pork curer. They Lived in Market St. Derry where my great Grand Mother Anne Elizabeth was born in 1874. They also lived in Chamberlain Street at the time of Anne Elizabeth's Marriage to Patrick Campbell in 1899. I have contacted Derry City cemetery to see if they were buried there. But they have no record.They did suggest that they may have been buried with their "own people" back in the Limavady area. As I said I am also trying to locate James Cummings mothers Maiden Name and also that of great great Granny MC Demott's name and maiden surname. All this information has been pieced together using the PDF Certificates I ordered from Emerald Ancestors. It is a family legend that their were a few protestant relatives although my family have always been catholic. I live in the Sunny southeast of Ireland and I am hoping to go up to Derry this summer and it would be lovely to visit the ancestral area and pay my respects if I can.
Regards ,
Summerhill.
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If you go to the General registrar of Northern Ireland's web site you can download pdf copies of application forms for BMDs
I will be in St Aidans AGAIN next weel and will look for Cummins graves if any they could also be buried in St Canice's RC Cemetrey in Roemill Road Limavady where my Ballycarton Grandparents are from
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http://www.groni.gov.uk/
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Thank You so much for replying. You are very kind.
Regards.
SUmmerhill
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Hi in the Griffiths Valuation there is a Charles McDermott shown in Duncrun in fact there are two listed possibly Father and son click on the below link
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Delighted to get that Griffiths Valuation EDenreaghbeg you are an Angel.
Thank you so much,now at least I have something more concrete.
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Hi Summerhill we have a result ! Patrick Died 14th December 1916 last address was number 72 Great James Street Derry just a few yards across the street from the Famous St Eugene's Cathedral
I will take a picture of the front of the house and send it via email if you wish feel free to pm me
Gerald
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here are more extracts from the Griffits Valuation which might help
Coghlan Francis Ballycarton Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Coghlan Michael Ballycarton Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Commin James Craig Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins David Tircreven
Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins Henry Tircreven
Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins John Tircreven
Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins David Tircreven Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins Henry Tircreven Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins John Tircreven Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
Cummins Samuel Tircreven Tamlaghtard Mcgilligan Derry
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Thanks once again you are a real angel!!!!
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no problem summerhill I'm glad to be of assistance just think ! my ancestors McGill probably knew your Cummins and McDermotts isnt agreat way to remember them
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Yes Indeed it is such a coincidence!it is a small world. They were very good neighbours to each other too i should imagine. Helpingwith stock,at harvest, through good times & bad. I bet they would have some stories to tell.
The pictures & 1901 census are brilliant.
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Hello Again,
I was looking on the LDS IGI website earlier.
I have come acrossthe birth of Sarah Jane Cummins born 12thAugust 1872.
Father : James Cummins, Mother: Elizabeth Mc Dermott. Bellarena Limavady.
I think that this may be a sister of My Great Granny Anne Elizabeth Campbell(Nee Cummings) theparents were married in Bellarena catholic church in 1871.
Could some one look this up forme please? It is not in Emerald Ancestors database. Any help much appreciated.
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Summerhill,
As well as your birth of Sarah Jane in Bellarena (which is on Emerald Ancestors), a parent search on the IGI also gives Anne Elizabeth born City of Londonderry on 29 June 1874 and Isabella born on 18 Sept 1875 again in Londonderry.
Regards
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IGI also lists two sons to James and Elizabeth:
-Charles Edward born 13 Aug.1879 Antrim, Ballymoney, Cork**
-James Alexander born 10 Dec.1877 Co.Antrim
** 'Antrim, Ballymoney, Cork' is a mistake in an IGI batch for registrations in Ballymoney district Co. Antrim.
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Wow!! Thanks amillion Aghadowey its great you have discovered more siblings . I'm really thrilled as I had thought that my great great granny was an only child. I could not find any listings for them on Emerald Ancestors. I hadeven written to the church where she married my great great grand father in and they had no record of any further siblings at all.
Abig thank you once again.
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Many Thanks Kingskerswell I am thrilledto find more. As mentioned above I hadtrouble finding any more siblings of my great Granny. Anne Elizabeth was my great Granny and I have her birth certPDF from emerald ancestors. Now I didnt realise that Isabella was her sister. She stood for one of my great Uncles sat his christening but the church records list her as Bella Mc Dermott. So at least I now know her and date of birth. Now I will be able to get a Birthcert for her.
You have been very kind.
With kind regards,
Summerhill
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Hello Summerhill,
My mother was Geraldine Cummings from Limavady, the daughter of Kenneth Cummings, the son of Samuel Cummings. I can't give you anymore info apart from the fact that as a child my mother would have taken us to Roemill Graveyard where there was ancestors of ours buried there. There is still a lot us Cummings still living in Limavady and we are all connected.
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Just noticing this thread and amazed by the family inter relations which seem to mirror that in the Sussex area of New Brunswick, Canada. Lots of Cummings in the area. However, of more particular interest to me is the McDermott connections. One of the patriarchs was Patrick McDermott (born at the turn of the 1800s) who married Elizabeth Mullins. I have an interest in an William J. G. McDermott who may be connected to him. There were marriages with McGlones and Coughlans.
Just wanted to see if this McDermott/Mullins connection rings a bell with researchers related to this thread.
Peter
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Just noticing this thread and amazed by the family inter relations which seem to mirror that in the Sussex area of New Brunswick, Canada...
Wonder if that area was settled by many Co. Londonderry families. I've traced McPhersons of Sussex, Kings Co., N.B. that originated from Ringsend area not far from Limavady. Perhaps there are local histories written about the settlers in that area which cae from Co. Londonderry.
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There is actually a place named Londonderry just outside of Sussex. In researching the area I know that there were a number of Londonderry natives who migrated there. However, there are still a lot of families whose place of origin is simply Ireland. It may be that quite a few of these were Londonderry area.
I have in my quick access notes the following County Londonderry natives (born in the late 1700s or early 1800s) who settled in the vicinity of Sussex, New Brunswick, Canada (some a bit closer to Coles Island).
Joseph Leggett Mullin
Elizabeth relict of Robert Reed, of Newtown Limavady
Edward Hamilton of Newtown Limavady
Elizabeth Williams of Newtown Limavady
Matthew Ferguson, native of Newtown Limavady
George McAuley of Ballykelly
John Hunter native of Parish of Macosquin
James Lynch of Laremount
Elizabeth McAuley widow of William McAuley
John McCaw of Coleraine
William Macky of Coshquin in Liberties, Londonderry
Andrew, Thomas and David Phillips of Dungiven Parish
John Bond
John Calvin
George Cochran
Agnes Ann Cowan, widow of James Cowan
Eliza Crawford
Nancy Gurney
Mrs. Roseanna Hunter
Richard Hughes
Martha Hunter
Rachel Hunter
Samuel, James and William Irons
Robert Kee
Barnard Kelly
Joseph Kennedy and his wife Mary Christie
Margaret Kilfillen, widow of John Norry
David Kincaid
John Marshall
Thomas Mason
Mrs. Jane McEwen, widow of William McEwen
Andrew Mackie
James Mackie
Hugh McLaren
Ezekiel McLaughlin
Martha relict of William McLaughlin
John Parks
Alexander Quigley
Robert Ross
John Smith
William Smith (married Jane Murphy)
Robert Snell
Martha, wife of Adam Todd
Samuel Thompson
William Young
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Thanks for your reply Cummings Donaghy. Itslovely to know that there are still Cummings living in Limavady. I am still working my way through my Cummings family search. But what I do know as I initially posted is that my Great Grandmother was Anne Elizabeth Cummings and her father was James Cummings from Ballycarton Limavady. James married Elizabeth Mc Dermott in Belarena Roman Catholic Church in 1871. Now James'father was alsoJ amesCummings but thats all the info I have. I dont even know the mothers names nor Cummings ancestors from earlier generations. So I seem to have drawn a blank pre 1871. ButI amhoping to visit Derry& Limavady later this summer ,so perhapsI will be lucky. By the way do you know how old Roemill cemetery is and who may hold the burial records?
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Thanks P. Kincaid for your very kind reply. You enquire about my McDermott connections, wel all I know is that my Great great grandmother was Elizabeth Mc Dermott, from Duncrun ,Limavady. Her father was Charles Mc Dermott a farmer. Thats all the information I have at the moment . I have not yet gotaround to going back further with the Mc Dermott line yet, as I have mainly concentrated on the Cummings of Limavady and the Campbell families of Derry City. But the mc Dermott name was in fact carried down through the Campbell family throughthe last 3 generations. there was a Dermott Campbell in each generation. But when Ivisit Limavady later this summer, I will definately visit Bellarena church to view their records. I hope I will find lotsof Mc Dermott ,& Cummings ancestors.
I was very interested to see that most of the emigrants from the Limavady area who emigrated to Canada seem to have intermarried.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Summerhill: I do not know who would hold the records, but i could try and find out for you. i'll phone the parish office during the week and ask. I am actually marrying into a McDermott from Limavady so my fiancee may actually be long lost cousins lol
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See here (under LONDONDERRY CHURCH RECORDS & GRAVEYARDS) to see what records are available-
www.from-ireland.net/derry/derryrcindex.htm
(Coleraine Library also have copies of the PRONI church records)
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This post is related to Alderman Patrick Campbell of Londonderry. I have posted this reply to assist family members currently doing research.
Just to recap Anne Elizabeth Cummings married Patrick Campbell in 1899. Anne Elizabeths'father was James Cummings from Ballycarton , her Mother was Elizabeth McDermott from Duncrun ,Limavady. They were married in 1871 in Bellarena Church, Tamlaghtard, Limavady.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Thanks once again you are a real angel!!!!
Are you cummins! I didn't think their were any in the area, we are related to them , did you get your tree any further than 1800? I'm struggling.
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Hi Owen C ,
No, I am not Cummins, but my great great Grandfather was James Cummings from Ballycarton Limavady who Married Elizabeth mc Dermott from Duncrun in Tamlaghtard Church 1871. Their daughter Anne Elizabeth Cummings married Patrick Campbell in Derry in 1899. Now I have been trying to go back further but I seem to have hit a brick wall at the moment. I am also trying to discover more about my Mc dermott connections. I know that Great great granny Elizabeth's father was called Charles mcDermott. according to Griffiths valuation Charles Mcdermott was there in Duncrun in 1854. How far back have you gone?
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Hi Owen C ,
No, I am not Cummins, but my great great Grandfather was James Cummings from Ballycarton Limavady who Married Elizabeth mc Dermott from Duncrun in Tamlaghtard Church 1871. Their daughter Anne Elizabeth Cummings married Patrick Campbell in Derry in 1899. Now I have been trying to go back further but I seem to have hit a brick wall at the moment. I am also trying to discover more about my Mc dermott connections. I know that Great great granny Elizabeth's father was called Charles mcDermott. according to Griffiths valuation Charles Mcdermott was there in Duncrun in 1854. How far back have you gone?
Hi Summerhill,
I think i have seen that marriage somewhere, i think it was emerald ancestors.. i didn't have to do any research at all to get back to 1810 as the gravestone was already their, that being the gravestone of my great great great grandfather who lived to 85! :o You could say that i haven't done that much research because of that but i have been going through graveyards and church records and have found nothing at all. >:( The presbyterian church records are rubbish they just stop at 1800 much like the catholic ones, though i have found that ballykelly church have got records back to 1699 so i am going to try and find somthing in their as apparently all magilligan ones went too dunboe or ballykelly before magilligan was built and theirs no record of him baptised in dunboe so i shall try their but knowing my luck there will be nothing! ::) The cummings and cummins must be related as they are only one townland over and the surname is basically the same i have a funny feeling that they separted and used a different form in the 1700s as there is a boy harry cumming is the 1740 census and no ins.
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That is great that you have been able to get back that far. Mind you tombstones can & do often yield valuable information.
You have given me more food for thought about my search too. Can you tell me are you related to James Cummings & Anne Elizabeth Cummings?
Now dont worry about not finding information in Dunboe or Ballykelly, as sometimes clergymen may have mis-spelt names in their parish register. Also have you tried variations of the Cummings surname, Cummins, Commins, Cummings....
why I ask is on each of my Campbell ancestors birth & baptismal certs their Mothers maiden name was recorded differently each time as Cummins, Commins, Cumings, Cumins,
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That is great that you have been able to get back that far. Mind you tombstones can & do often yield valuable information.
You have given me more food for thought about my search too. Can you tell me are you related to James Cummings & Anne Elizabeth Cummings?
Now dont worry about not finding information in Dunboe or Ballykelly, as sometimes clergymen may have mis-spelt names in their parish register. Also have you tried variations of the Cummings surname, Cummins, Commins, Cummings....
why I ask is on each of my Campbell ancestors birth & baptismal certs their Mothers maiden name was recorded differently each time as Cummins, Commins, Cumings, Cumins,
I think i may be related to them, they married in ballerena rc chuch didn't they? It says in the records in emerald ancestors that he was cummins, hmmm, i don't know if you know this but i think i remember somewhere that he converted to be rc from presbyterian when he married her i think it was in emerald ancestors, their has to be something between the too families they have to be related! I take down the imformation whatever spelling i just look at dates as when i was over in coleraine library the records said mc cummins, which is obviously cummins. Does he have a child called john who married mary hastings, i'm trying to work out if i am related to your side
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If he was born and raised in the Catholic church there wouldn't be a baptismal record for him in Presbyterian church registers.
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If he was born and raised in the Catholic church there wouldn't be a baptismal record for him in Presbyterian church registers.
No i just found something before, no need to get offended. Sorry... but can't you not convert religion. sorry summerhill ;D Its just that i found a john cummins whos father was james and he married in a presbyterian church just before his father and his father is james and my james only had one child
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Well you have just answered a little hunch that I always had....
I had a definate feeling that Cummings must have been presbyterian or church of Ireland. Thats where my missing connection is.... Thats very interesting indeed. Do you know what James Cummings mother was called? I have their marriage certificate if you would like it . As I said before I know James Cummings father was definately James Cummings, its on their marriage certificate, but I would love to know what his mothers name was and where she was from. Also perhaps to go back further along the Cummings line.
also can you please tell me where i could try for church records for the Cummings ancestors besides Bellarena church. I also found their marriage on Emerald ancestors,and I also have some marriage certificates for other Cummings people too and i am not sure if they are related or not. But you are most welcome to have them .
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I'm not the least bit offended but was just pointing out that if he was Catholic then he wouldn't have been baptised as a child in a Presbyterian church.
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Well i have a whole two pages of records from magilligan, ballerena,myroe and limavady churches, aswell as ones from the coleraine library,if you would like you can have them. Mind you they are cummins but it depends as you say what the clergyman wrote them down as. If ou do want them you could give me some names that you know of and i'll find them
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I would love them!! I am going to send you a private message with my contact details.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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I would love them!! I am going to send you a private message with my contact details.
Regards,
Summerhill.
Ok thanks we can just pm them, though your going to have to give me names incase they are not the people you know.
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I'm not the least bit offended but was just pointing out that if he was Catholic then he wouldn't have been baptised as a child in a Presbyterian church.
Ok no problem, but i don't think sumer hill has his baptisim?
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Summerhill - I was looking at Magilligan RC records today in PRONI and noted your Cummings family mentioned. The name was originally Miskimmins and also McCummins in the earlier records and most of the family in the Magilligan/Aghanloo area were Presbyterian. In the absence of formal census material then the church registers are very important in building up a picture of the family - sponsors, witnesses & addresses etc:
You probably have these details already [these are all of the Cummings entries in the Magilligan RC records]
Magilligan RC registers: c. 1863-1880 MIC 1D/56/1
Marriages [the RC registers did not name father but from civil marriage all of these Cummings are children of James Cummings]
Married 22 Aug 1871 James Cummings of Ballycarton to Elizabeth McDermott: Witnesses - Daniel Cummings, Ballycarton & Jane McDermott, Duncrun
Married 27 Sept 1874 Daniel Cummings to Margaret Mullan: Witnesses - Jas & Mgt McLaughlin of Clagan
Married 3 Feb 1877 John Coghlan Ballycarton to Elizabeth Cummings, Ballycarton: Witnesses - Edward Mullan and Annie Cummings, Ballycarton.
Baptisms
25 Sept 1865 Elizabeth of Samuel Cummings & Mary Ann Coyle, Ballyhendry: sponsors - John Mooney, Ballyhendry & Nancy Cummings of Ballycarton.
[Note - this is the only entry for children of Samuel Cummings. It seems he was related to the Ballycarton Cummings'].
19 May 1872 Mary Ann of Daniel McLaughlin & Elizabeth Cummings Ballycarton: Sponsors - Pat McIvor & Mary Ann Given [note in margin - Mary Ann married to Galloway in New York 5-11-1908]
18 Aug 1872 Sarah Jane of James Cummings and Elizabeth McDermott of Derry: Sponsors - Daniel Cummings Ballyc[faded] and Sarah Ann McDermott, Duncrun.
28 June 1874 Daniel of Daniel McLaughlin & Elizabeth Cumming, Ballycarton: Sponsors - John Coghlan & Elizabeth Cumming of Ballycarton.
10 Feb 1877 James of Daniel Cummings and Margaret Mullan, Ballycarton: Sponsors - John Coghlan & Mrs John Coghlan of Ballycarton
27 Aug 1876 Elizabeth of Daniel McLaughlin & Elizabeth Cummings of By'carton: Sponsors - Eliza Cummings & Pat McIvor
Burials [only one Cummings burial]
27 July 1875 - Mrs Cummings, Ballycarton
Note - on its own the burial seems to be virtually useless. However, this must be the mother of the Cummings' family above since the title 'Mrs' Cummings suggests so. A search of the civil death index for the year 1875 produces one hit -
Sarah Cummings died 1875 aged 62 years [born c.1813] Newtownlimavady, Volume 11 page 573.
[Sarah Cummings above could be the wife of James Cummings that you were looking for?].
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Gortinamina you are an absolute star!!! Thank you first of all for even thinking of me when you were there in PRONI & secondly for taking the time & trouble to note all these & post them up. I had only Marriage records for 2 of the Cummings' and birth records only for the Children of James Cummings & Elizabeth Mc Dermott. I had a vague recollection also of Elizabeth Mc Dermotts 'father being married twice , as she called her first born after her late mother Sarah Jane who was born in 1872 in the McDermott homestead at Ballycarton. Her stepmother witnessed & recorded the birth. This was confirmed when I got a copy of the civil birth cert. But that was really all the information that i had. So all this is really the icing on the cake.
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No problem summerhill - I am interested in a Brooks family from Aghanloo and there is a connection to Cummings so I am trying to find the family link.
William Brooks [son of John] was married 3 times:
1. Jane Wilson on 10 Aug 1849 Christchurch CI, Limavady. She died 1854
2. Mary Cummings c. 1855-57 [fist child of this marriage born 1858]
3. Mary Jane Thompson in Magilligan P in 1882
I have the first and last marriage certs as they were registered. I cannot locate a marriage certificate for the marriage to Mary Cummings. My hunch is that the marriage took place in a Catholic church, perhaps Magilligan, as this may have been a mixed marriage. So this got me off searching on the Cummings family.
Magilligan Presbyterian Church records are excellent. A census of the families of the congregation 1855 has listed 3 Cummins families in Ballycarton:
7. David Cummins sen & jun
8. David Cummins jun & wife - children Eliza & Anna
9. James Cummins wife & family RC
The latter entry is very interesting as it seems that James Cummins was a Presbyterian but his wife & family were RC. This was a mixed marriage where it looks like the children were raised Catholic.
And here is a most remarkable entry in the baptismal register of Magilligan Presbyterian by the Rev Butler who must have had an interest in family history as his entries are so detailed:
No 348 - on the evening of Friday sixth day of Nov 1840 Thomas McCumins son of James McCumins of Old Town and of Jane McLaughlin, Ballycarton was baptised in his father's house after a lecture having been born 23 Oct 1840. Present being the father and mother, the grandmother wife of the aged George McCummins in the same town and a few of the wife's relatives who is the daughter of James McGlaughlin of Ballycarton a Roman Catholic. The age of the father James McCummins ia bout 36 and his wife Sarah 26 - their other child Thomas was baptised by Robert Gage about 18 months [ago].
There are two obvious mistakes in the entry - the wife of James McCummins was noted first as Jane and later as Sarah [in any case she was a McLaughlin so she may have been Sarah Jane. I think she is the Mrs McCummins listed in Magilligan RC burial register for 1875 in Ballycarton & the Sarah Cummins listed in the death index 1875 N'Limavady aged 62 so born c. 1813.] The 2nd mistake is where the Rev Butler at the end says their other child Thomas was baptised by Rev Gage [minister in Magilligan CI].
This is still a work in progress but so far but looks like the progenitor of the Cummings of Ballycarton was George McCummins:
The records above tell us:
George Cummings [1831 census Ballycarton] by his wife had issue:
James Cummings [born c.1804] who married Sarah Jane McLaughlin [c 1813-1875 dau of Jas McLaughlin].
It was probably this James Cummings listed in 1855 census Magilligan P with wife & family RC.
Have you date of death with age for your James Cummings who married Eiza McDermott?
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That is a lot of very very interesting information. I am gobsmacked!!! You have managed to find what i have been searching for over 3 years. Infact I had drawn a blank. Thankyou so much
Now you ask if I had a date of death for James Cummings who married Elizabeth Mc Dermott in 1871. I am afraid I don't. But I did write to Derry city cemetery to ascertain if they were buried there but they were not. They seemed to have vanished off the radar. But I searched my records again to day & here is what I do have.
1) James Cummings married Elizabeth Mc Dermott in Bellarena RC Church 1871.
2) Daughter Sarah Jane born in Elizabeths homeplace Duncrun.on 12/8/1872.
3) Anne Elizabeth born in Derry 29/6/1874.(My Great Granny)
4) Isabella Kathleen born in Derry 18/9/1875.
Now sometime later they moved to Ballymoney, Co. Antrim where two more children were born.
James Alexander 10/12/1877
Charles Edward 13/8/1879. I got the civil birth certs for these two but I am afraid the registrars writing leaves a lot to be desired. The certs are barely legible.
James Cummings was a Pork Butcher & moved around quite a bit. When my Great Granny married in 1899 her address on the Civil marriage cert is given as Chamberlain street.Derry.
But any searches for her parents drew a blank. I wonder though could they have remained in Ballymoney Co. Antrim & are buried there??
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Regarding you ancestor Mr. Brooks's second marriage to Mary Cummings circa 1855-1857 , I feel that it may have indeed been a mixed marriage & as far as i know mixed marriages were not conducted on the main alter in a catholic church but in a side alter or small annexe. also some clergymen may not have recorded these marriages either. But you could try bellarena catholic church or any other catholic churches in the locality at that time. also have you tried the local Church of Ireland registers.?
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If I'm reading your latest post correctly then last 'sighting' of James & Elizabeth Cumming is 1879?
Have you searched the online civil registration index for their deaths?
James' occupation might mean he could be identified in directories- there are various ones online (free)- see reply #4 for links.
Ballymoney Cemetery has some online records- se Ballymoney Ancestry website to search (registration is free).
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Could this be James Cummings in 1901 census Ballymoney?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003983906/
1911 Main Street, Ballymoney
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001376594/
Date of Marriage: 1 Feb 1900
Groom Name: James CUMMINGS
Bride Name: Beatrice Mary E ELLISON
Church: Our Lady & Saint Patrick Roman Catholic Church
Parish: Ballymoney
Civil District: Ballymoney
County: Antrim
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Gortinamina Thanks once again for all this. I will have to check out my records again. But it is very very interesting & raises the possibility that his first wife must have died & he remarried. There is a gap of 25 years between them. But he was a Pork Cutter so that is probably him. But I still can't fathom why my great granny put Chamberlain Street as her place of residence on the Marraige cert. She must have been staying with relations prior to the wedding.
Have you had any luck finding your Miss Mary Cummins marriage to Mr. Brooks yet?
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No luck with marriage - it is not in the civil indexes - I reckon they were married 1854-1856.
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Indeed they were probably married in the catholic church where civil registration did not apply until 1864. But in trying local catholic parish registers remember they are written in latin. so Could Mary Cummins have been entered as Maria in a parish register? Also could she have been known by another christian name.? I am known by my second christian name. So it may be worth a thought.
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Hi, Re your post #358 and another where you suggest James Cummings may have married twice.
I have a hand drawn family tree from my late aunt Mae Campbell where she confirms that but does not list the name of his second wife. She mistakenly lists James Cummings as George Cumming ("had a bacon store in Ballymoney or Ballymena"). Is it possible that George was his middle name and he may have been known as George by his family? - two sons were named James and George.
regards
Denis Campbell (grandson of Patrick and Ann Elizabeth)
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Hi Denis - James Cummings was the grandson of George Cummings so perhaps there was some confusion there.
For the first marriage to Elizabeth McDermott I have the following:
Children of JAMES CUMMINGS and ELIZABETH MCDERMOTT are:
i. SARAH JANE CUMMINGS, b. 18 Aug 1872, Derry City.
ii. ANN ELIZABETH CUMMINGS, b. 29 Jun 1874, Derry City; m. PATRICK CAMPBELL, 1899.
iii. ISABELLA KATHLEEN CUMMINGS, b. 18 Sep 1875, Derry City.
iv. JAMES ALEXANDER CUMMINGS, b. 10 Dec 1877, Co Antrim.
v. CHARLES EDWARD CUMMINGS, b. 13 Aug 1879, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
vi. GEORGE CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1885, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
vii. DANIEL CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1888, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
viii. LEO CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1890, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
For the second marriage:
Children of JAMES CUMMINGS and BEATRICE ELLISON are:
ix. IRENE C CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1902, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
x. FRANCIS J CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1903, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xi. MARY J CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1906, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xii. ELIZABETH A CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1908, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xiii. BRIDGET VERONICA CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1911, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xiv. PATRICIA CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1910, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xv. JAMES ALBERT CUMMINGS, b. Abt. 1912, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
xvi. FREDERICK T CUMMINGS, b. 1901, Ballymoney, Co Antrim; d. 1901, Ballymoney, Co Antrim.
Please treat this with caution as some of these details need to be confirmed but they are based on census returns and civil index of BMD's.
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Thank you for the info Gortinanima. It looks as if he is the same James - I previously had doubts about him judging from inconsistencies between the 1901 and 1911 censuses such as his age. Beatrice was said to be English or American. Mae says daughter Sarah went to the usa.
I've attached Mae's family tree and PAF 'Book' of James Cummings (not yet edited with your information).
Denis
Moderator Note: family tree removed
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Hi Denis - if you post one more time on RootsCaht then you will be allowed to use the Private Message [PM] service on RootsChat & you can send me the tree that way.
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Hi Gortinanima, thanks for that, I was not aware that family trees were banned. I suppose it is a privacy issue.
Your Cummings info has kept me busy entering it into PAF.
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Rootschat policy is not to post details of living, or possibly living, people.
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Ah I see, thanks
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RE: George Cummings of Ballycarton and wife Elizabeth Taylor. Their issue:
1. James Cummings, son, wed Sarah Jane McLaughlin. (Their son, James, b. ca1839 wed Elizabeth McDermott.)
2. Mary Cummings, daughter, wed James Rennie. Lived Bridge of Weir, Kilbarchan, Scotland.
3. David Cummings, Son, b. ca 1827, wed Mary Ann Irwin (earlier records give her name as Jane, may have been 1st wife). Lived Bridge of Weir, Kilbarchan, Scotland.
I have death certs verifying George Cummings and Elizabeth Taylor were parents of Mary Cummings and David Cummings. It was also family lore that George was in the bacon business!
If anyone can add to this, please do.
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Many thanks for that valuable information Lahaina. George Cummings was indeed a bacon butcher. My great great grandfather James Cummings was an apprentice pork cutter at the time of his marriage to Elizabeth Mc Dermott in 1871.
It really is wonderful to learn the Names of My great great great grand mothers. so is it possible that George Cummings came from Bridge of Weir in Scotland originally? given that two of his children married in Bridge of Weir?
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Good to know we share great great great great grandparents in George Cummings and Elizabeth Taylor!
RE: Their children James Cummings and Mary Cummings and David Cummings.
The spouses and children of Mary & David were all born in Ireland. Mary and spouse James Rennie show up in Bridge of Weir in the 1841 census and never leave. David and wife Mary Ann Irwin appear in the 1871 census and also remain in Bridge or Weir until their deaths. It seems the son James and wife Sarah Jane McLaughlin and grandson James both lived and died in Ireland.
I am descended from George Cummings through both James and Mary. There are records of McSkimmins in Magilligan Parish as early as the mid 1600s, so it never occurred to me the family might be originally from Scotland. I do know the Cummings and related families in Bridge of Weir traveled back and forth to Ireland regularly until the early 1900s.
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Absolutely delighted to learn that wes hare the same great great great great grandparents. As mentioned in an earlier post I too am descended from George Cummings & Elizabeth Taylor through their youngest son James Cummings & his wife Sarah Jane Mc Loughlin. In turn their son James Married Elizabeth Mc Dermott in Tamlaghtard Church Magilligan in 1871. It is through their daughter Anne Elizabeth who is my great Grandmother. ( Born 1874) she married Patrick Campbell in Derry on 19th April 1899. They had 6 children. Their second son James Francis born 1902 is my grandfather. I also am delighted to learn once again the names of the great great grandmothers as I had come against a brick wall up to now. Thankyou so much for sharing this wonderful information.
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I am another gt gt gt gt grandchild of George and Elizabeth through David Cummings who lived in Kilbarchan. :)
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Welcome to Roots chat Lahaina 2 & Astropoet delighted to have made contact with you both. Can you tell me Astropoet when did David Cummings move across to Kilbarchan? & Do you whether the Cummings family originally come from that area or what was the reason that David & his sister Mary moved there?. Any information much apprecated.
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To be honest,I don't know but it's possible. Do know that the to-ing and fro-ing from Kilbarchan/Bridge of Weir to Limavady kept going at least until David's gt-grandchildren, my grandfather's cousins! So it's possible that it was a family tradition!
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I'm trying to fill in some gaps in my PAF files and wonder if anyone has any info.
1. Unlinked: Thomas Cummings and Lelita Miller, married 14Sep1854.
George Cummings and Elizabeth Taylor had James, Mary and David.
Might they also have had a son Thomas?
2. Anne Elizabeth Cummings - daughters Maureen and Margaret, birth dates?
3. Elizabeth McDermott (who married James Cummings), birth date?
4. Beatrice Mary Ellison, birth date?
5. Did James Cummings really have two sons named James (James Alexander and James Albert), albeit they were with different marriages.
Any info on running PAF on Linux would be appreciated. I am struggling with PAF Companion printing to pdf file.
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Forgot to mention: I have a copy of Thomas and Lelita's marriage cert (from Summerhill).
Thomas's father was George Cummings, and Lelita's was Samuel Miller, both Thomas and George were labourers, so Thomas was not a son of George and Elizabeth.
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Re: Marriage of Thomas Cummings & Letitia Millar in 1854.
although Thomas' Father was George Cummings I would hazard a guess that they may have been related to the Ballycarton Cummings. Maybe distantly but I don;t have the proof as yet.
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I can confirm what Gortnamina says about the Cummings family originally being named MisKimmins, there was an issue with a child born out of wedlock and left on a train which back in those days brought shane on the family causing them to change there name to Cummings. As far as I know my Great Grandfather Samuel Cummings(His Brother Joe, Bar the door, my great aunt effie, i dont remember what effie was short for) parents or possibly their grandparents went by MisKimmins. There's umpteen different versions of the name from Cummings, Cummins, MisKimmins, MsKimmin, etc so it's hard to pinpoint unless you know first names and DOB's.id be interested in any info if anyone has been able to trace them. Thanks
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Thats very interesting Cummings Donaghy Miskimmings!
I do know from records of Magilligan Presbyterian Church where my Cummings family of Ballycarton attended the name was spelt McCummings at first then changed to Cummings. This would have been from 1813 when the Church was established. The Cummings family originated in Tircrevan but then a branch moved to Ballycarton. My4x Gt Grandfather was George Cumming from Paisley, Scotland married to Elizabeth Taylor from Moville, early 1800's 3 children David, James, & Mary. They settled in Ballycarton. I am descended from James Cummings who married a Catholic Sarah Jane MC Laughlin. James remained Presbyterian did not convert but wife and children were RC.
Gortinamina noted also the Baptism entry for Magilligan RC Church, 25th September 1865, Elizabeth Cummings ,daughter of Samuel Cummings and Mary Ann Coyle of Ballyhendry . He believed that they were related to my Ballycarton Cummings. Is this Samuel Cummings one of your ancestors?
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Good Afternoon Summerhill,
I am almost certain that I am a direct line descendant of the Cummins family from Tircrevin.
I believe we have messaged on here before. For clarity could you explain how you got to the marriage in Moville and connected that to Paisley in Scotland?
(I have done a Y-DNA test on FTDNA my results hint on an origin in southern Scotland rather than the central belt.)
Looking online I can see that there is a Harry Cumming living in Carnowry in 1740 and a family named “Muskimmin” (George, James, John and David) in same area in 1740.
I would be interested to know how you tied up the tircrevin family to Moville as I would assume that they would be more likely to be connected to the family in Carnowry due to distance.
I think that the Presbyterian church in Magilligan does not have records beyond the early 1800’s.
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Gortanima believed that the Cummings family originally were from Tircrevan. There is an excellent book Called Magilligan Presbyterian Church available online from Lulu Publications and contains records from the Parish registers since its inception in 1813. The first baptism recorded there was a Tircrevan Cummings infant.
A relative who has done more research on the Cummings family discovered that Elizabeth Taylor was from Moville.
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Thanks
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Not sure if this is at all relevant, but I have a Cummings family in my tree, also in Magilligan, Ballycarton, though they're not direct ancestors of mine. My great-great-grandfather was Dominick McLaughlin (b. 1834 in Magilligan). His brother, Daniel (b. 1844), married Elizabeth Cummings (b. 1844) in 1866. They had six children, and I am a dna match to some of the descendants of those children, but through the McLaughlin line, not the Cummings line. I have a census record that a David Cummings (b. 1858) was living at the home of my gr-gr-grandfather, Dominick McLaughlin, in Neilston, Renfrewshire, Scotland in 1881. I checked David out, and he was apparently the brother of Elizabeth, Daniel McLaughlin's wife. So he was Dominick's brother's brother-in-law. There may have been lots of Cummings' in Magilligan at the time, but it was a tiny village, so I'm sure they're all somehow related. Sorry if this isn't helpful, just thought I'd post in case it may be.
Kat