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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: tigerquoll on Saturday 18 April 09 06:08 BST (UK)

Title: Cleland
Post by: tigerquoll on Saturday 18 April 09 06:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am researching William Cleland b 1805 Glasgow son of Dr James Cleland b 1770, Glasgow and  Margaret Rogers. He immigrated to Tasmania in 1834. The local paper records his marriage -
 
"Wm Cleland Esq. of Thornhill, to Amelia, eldest daughter of Thomas Shone Esq. of Stanton House, New Norfolk."

I was wondering if there if a "Thornhill" in Glasgow as I can't find a town or property with this name in Tasmania. Any information on this family would be great.

regards Janine
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: gerryfarrell on Saturday 18 April 09 10:07 BST (UK)
There is certainly a Thornhill in Dumfrieshire -
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/thornhill/thornhill/index.html

Thats not to say tHe good Doc couldn't have been born in Glasgow and later moved to Dumfrieshire.

Gerry
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: sancti on Saturday 18 April 09 10:58 BST (UK)
Also a Thornhill near Stirling
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: tigerquoll on Sunday 19 April 09 09:21 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks for the replies, but as far as I can tell Dr. James Cleland was born in Glasgow and worked there as  Glasgow’s Superintendent of Public Works. He is buried in the crypt at Ramshorn Kirk, Glasgow. So I don't think that the Thornhills in other Parishes are likely but you never know. I haven't researched him much.
regards Janine
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: tigerquoll on Tuesday 21 April 09 13:12 BST (UK)
Hi,
I found this info on the Glasgow Story web site and I was wondering if this monument still exists in Glasgow?

"Following Cleland's death a tenement was erected at the top of Buchanan Street which bore the inscription "The Cleland Testimonial"."

Regards Janine
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: sancti on Tuesday 21 April 09 13:32 BST (UK)
If Williams marriage was in the local paper surely it would refer to his home at the time.

The OPR's confirm his BAPTISM. Have you viewed the record to see if it gives anymore info.

13/01/1805 CLELAND WILLIAM son of JAMES CLELAND and MARGARET RODGER at Glasgow GLASGOW CITY/LANARK
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 08 February 12 12:34 GMT (UK)
William Cleland was my 3rd cousin 3 times removed. I have never seen anything to suggest that he or any of his family had any connection to either Thornhill in Stirlingshire or Thornhill in Dumfries-shire.

It is always possible that Thornhill was the name of a house rather than a town, parish or property. There are plenty of such in Scotland.

However if he lived in Tasmania at the time of his marriage I would have thought it referred to where he was living at the time.

Can we exchange notes? I'd be interested in any information about his descendants.
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 08 February 12 13:04 GMT (UK)
Quote from: tigerquoll on Tuesday 21 April 09 13:12 BST (UK)
Hi,
I found this info on the Glasgow Story web site and I was wondering if this monument still exists in Glasgow?

"Following Cleland's death a tenement was erected at the top of Buchanan Street which bore the inscription "The Cleland Testimonial"."

Regards Janine

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-33006-249-buchanan-street-and-1-7-odd-nos-sauch/photos
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 08 February 12 13:06 GMT (UK)
http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/gpages/glasgow-oldgh3z.html
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 08 February 12 13:33 GMT (UK)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1017088

http://hsewsf.sedsh.gov.uk/hslive/hsstart?P_HBNUM=33006

http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=200186
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: tigerquoll on Thursday 09 February 12 00:45 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

Thanks for the replies and the links to the  Cleland  Testimonial Building.

I have finally found "Thornhill" in Tasmania. It was the name of a property owed by an Andrew Downie, also from Scotland,
 "By 1824 Downie had acquired some land of his own, by grant. This farm he called Thornhill, and during 1825 he cleared part of it and sowed crops, as well as running a flock of sheep." http://eprints.utas.edu.au/10910/
Forfarian I would love to compare notes with you. I will PM you when I get a chance.

cheers Janine
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 09 February 12 08:40 GMT (UK)
I'll look forward to you having time to PM me  :)
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: KneClel on Thursday 23 February 12 17:37 GMT (UK)
+Did you know that Cleland is pronounced Cleeland and not Clelland. the name is softed from its Strathclyde Briton name Kneland.

Building at the Top of Buchanan Street Glasgow is Cleland Testament Building. Was built for James Cleland who Worked in Public Works to improve lives of Local People.

Sure this is same line of Cleland


DR James Cleland is meet to be related to Cleland of that Ilk.

Regards
KneClel
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 23 February 12 17:46 GMT (UK)
Quote from: KneClel on Thursday 23 February 12 17:37 GMT (UK)
Sure this is same line of Cleland

Yes, it's the same Dr James Cleland as in the original post at the start of this thread.
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: KneClel on Friday 24 February 12 18:18 GMT (UK)
Forfarian

Was wondering about your Black's in New Monkland.

As I have Black's in that area as well and might be related to my Mollinsburn Black's as well. Could not find your any of your reseach in RootsChat.

So can you tell me more about your Black's

KneClel
Title: Re: Cleland
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 25 February 12 13:22 GMT (UK)
I'll PM you. Basiccally my Blacks are the Rawyards family in New Monkland.