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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: MPlant-Staffs on Friday 17 April 09 23:48 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking to find information about the descendants of Robert Plant (1841-1901), he was originally from Cheadle, Staffordshire but he and his family moved down to London in the late 1800s.
He was married to Martha Mellor in 1860 and had 11 Children (I believe):
Hannah Maria (b. 1862)
Lizzie (b. 1867)
Minifred J. (b. 1868)
Annie Roberta (b. 1869)
Frances A. (b. 1871)
Sarah Elizabeth (b. 1871)
Edward James Robert (b. 1872) (1)
Gertrude E. (b. 1874)
William B. (b. 1878)
Alfonso (b. 1880)
Henry J. (b. 1880)
Kate J. (b. 1882)
Violet Christina Kate (b. 1883)
(1) Edward James Robert went onto marry Patty Canning in 1895 and have at least two children.
Gertrude Martha R. (b. 1896)
Robert A. Plant (b. 1897)
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I'm interested in the family as they are a branch of my own, if anyone has any information about any of the people listed I'd be happy to hear it.
Robert Plant is often mentioned as been Lord of the Manor of Cheadle, I'm very interested in this fact as the title is something of a tall tale still mentioned in the family!
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Hi, I take it you have both these families in the 1901 census?
Jennifer
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Hi, thanks for the reply :)
On the 1901 cencus Robert and Martha are listed in Fulham living with some of their children (Hannah, William and Violet). In the same cencus Edward James Robert is living with Patty and their children in Fulham at a different address.
By 1911 Edward and Patty's family are living in Richmond Surrey and I believe Edward's sister Hannah is a Housekeeper working in Leominster Herefordshire.
Many thanks for any help anyone can give.
Mike
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Hello Mike,
You may have this information already, but browsing through The Times...
Monday, Dec 08, 1879; pg. 13; Issue 29745; col A
Advertisement in the classified section mentions a "Robert Plant, Esq,. Cheadle-park" as one of the patrons of the Householder's Pure Milk Supply Association (Limited). Item was repeated on Thursday, January 15 1880.
Saturday, Jan 14, 1888; pg. 17; Issue 32282; col A
Advertisement in the classified section mentions one "Robert Plant, Esq., Chairman of Majors Barn Colliery Company Limited, Cheadle, Staffordshire" as one of the directors of the Cheadle Railway Mineral and Land Company (Limited). Item was repeated three times during the following week.
Dave
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Robert Alfonso Plant (b1897) appears to have become a postman in London - here's him being appointed in 1913 as a "temporary assistant postman": http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/28770/pages/7698
...and as a sorter in 1920: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/32009/pages/8199
There are a few references to Robert Plant, coal proprietor, in his Cheadle days:
Here in 1873, as chairman of the Cheadle Colliery Company, that is being wound up: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/23981/pages/2651
Here a reference to a land sale in Cheadle in 1874: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/24062/pages/515
And this is probably a reference to an earlier business interest, in 1863: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/22759/pages/3920
Regards
Rob
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Monday, Dec 08, 1879; pg. 13; Issue 29745; col A
Advertisement in the classified section mentions a "Robert Plant, Esq,. Cheadle-park" as one of the patrons of the Householder's Pure Milk Supply Association (Limited). Item was repeated on Thursday, January 15 1880.
Thanks for this information Dave, this is one business concern I hadn't known Robert was involved in. During my research of the family and Cheadle in general his name crops up all the time and it's always good to get another piece of the puzzle!
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And this is probably a reference to an earlier business interest, in 1863: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/22759/pages/3920
Thanks for those links Rob, this last one refers to either Robert's father James or his brother (whom my line is desended from), this business deal goes some way to explain where Robert got his early money from.
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Robert Plant was my Gt. Grandfather - I am descended from Henry Vincent (1878) his son. In 1874 he opened the Birches Colliery which then ran into difficulties in 1881 due to geological problems. In 1887 he formed the Cheadle Railway, Mineral and Land Co. Ltd. - the company planned to build a railway which left the main line at Cresswell, continued to Totmonslow and then terminated in the southern outskirts of Cheadle. Support for the new line was gathered and £100,000 raised and the first sod was cut on 22.3.1888 by Edward James Robert (son of Robert). However very soon the company ran out of money and it was not until November 1892 that the first section of the line (Cresswell to Totmonslow) was opened and Draycott got its second station. I'm not sure when exactly he became bankrupt but he was certainly living in Hornsey in the 1891 Census.
My brother visited Cheadle in the 1970's shortly before Robert's Mansion was demolished and have a couple of photographs in my possession.
pat d
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Robert Plant was my Gt. Grandfather - I am descended from Henry Vincent (1878) his son.
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I'm not sure when exactly he became bankrupt but he was certainly living in Hornsey in the 1891 Census.
My brother visited Cheadle in the 1970's shortly before Robert's Mansion was demolished and have a couple of photographs in my possession.
Hi Pat, I'm very pleased to meet you. I'm your second cousin a few times removed!
Robert was declared bankrupt in August 1881, news by the way which made The New York Times not just the local papers! By 1884 he was back on his feet (somewhat) and a director in the Majors Barn Colliery, I'm not sure of the circumstances that lead him to move down to London as my research hasn't got me that far.
My family is desended from James Plant, Robert's brother and early business partner. Our family stayed in the Cheadle area as did the line desended from Septimus Plant, his branch and mine have stayed in contact over the years and his great grandaughter is helping me to fill in the blanks from that line.
While Robert's mansion was demolished the estate they built is called Mansion Close and there is a Plant Street in Cheadle which is named in his honour.
I'd be very interested in any information you can give me, to that end I'll send you a private message.
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Hi again - thanks for your email. For some reason the site isn't letting me see your private reply - is there any way we can overcome this?
Pat
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pat i belive its because you have only replied twice and to access the PMing system on here you ned to have (at least) 3 replies (to posts/ threads)
reply again and see if that works
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Hi,
I have just joined this Site and really want to find out the background to Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin, as I am also a Plant, and the similarity in our Looks is just amazing!
I was also born in Staffs. (Dudley) in 1931., and had a half brother who was 8 years older than myself. However, I was brought up in the Orphanage there.
i can send a photo of myself later.
Regards, John Plant
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Regards
Valda
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Robert Plant must have had a big house in 1888:
http://johnalcock1888.blogspot.com/2010/05/tuesday-22nd-may-1888.html
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Thanks for that link, what a wonderful idea for a blog!
The mansion and grounds were indeed rather grand 1888, sadly 90 years later not so much.
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7978/mansionsmall.jpg)
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Thanks a lot for that. Would you mind if I included that picture in the blog?
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Go for it, it's an image that I believe is in the public domain in any case.
If you'd like some background information on the mansion and grounds, here is a link to a pdf of an article I wrote last year for a local magazine.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/gzhjlvfmg4z/UttoxeterVoice.pdf
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Hi to everyone researching the plants. My ancestry is Francis Plant . I was wondering if anyone knew his wife's maiden name and if people want to compare notes on Robert James and Francis's forefathers.
I presume you have all heard of the plant family history group. They have an interesting genetic study that seems to say all plants are descended from one person. On their site there is also an interesting section on robert's colourful tale.
If anyone has any other interesting stories, i would be happy to here.
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Hi,
I took a DNA test for the Plant Family Society and didn't match anyone, which was a little disappointing but since so few people have taken tests with links to Staffordshire; its hard to say whether it was something to do with my lineage or the family in general.
Since Francis moved away from Cheadle I know very little about him beyond census information, although I know he was shareholder in his brother's Cheadle Colliery Company and our local paper (at the time) published a long notice of his death.
Regards
Mike
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he was my 3 great grandfather and i found out that he became a successful farmer in sutton coldfield.
shame i didn't inherit all those acres of prime residential land by the park. do you have the first James as the founder of the colliery business?
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thanks for info about francis being shareholder in Cheadle colliery i didn't know that.
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There's a colliery company called Plant and Co. mentioned in 1859 with a colliery at Iptones Park and later in 1861 it's associated with James and Robert Plant in a trade directory. In 1863 the partnership is dissolved, so I'm not completely sure whether it was always the brothers operating the firm, or whether their father James (who died in 1859) was in business with Robert.
Cheadle Colliery Company was formed in 1866 by Robert and other local businessmen, Francis became a shareholder in 1867 (I'll check that date for you) with 50 shares.
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thanks
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Francis was a shareholder in 1872 holding 20 shares, by this time Robert was the only major shareholder in the company. Two other minor shareholders were their brothers George and Thomas.
Robert's true gift was getting people to invest in his business schemes, later in life he was able to secure funding for a Cheadle railway almost entirely from London investors.
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To add to your original posting
1. Hannah Maria Plant born1861 died aged 67 Sept q 1928 Barnet 3a 373.
2. Annie Roberta Plant married Jonathan Franks Saunders sept q 1891 Edmonton. 1901 census ref rg13 173 40 27, also appear on 1911 census.
3. Alphonso Ferdinand Plant died aged 7 Sept q 1887 Edmonton 3a 148
4 Henry Vincent Plant married 25.6.1908 Fulham bride Florence Edith French.
John
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Sarah Elizabeth Plant married William Philip Johnson 1897, 1901 census ref rg13 2631 129 12.
John
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Pretty sure William Buckley Plant married Ellen Maria Gregory Dec q1897 Stourbridge 6c 272. 1901 census ref rg13 657 51 1, also appear on 1911 census with 4 children.
John
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Thanks for the additional information John, Sarah Elizabeth marring William Johnson is especially interesting as in 1911 they're living in Tean. Previously I'd thought that all of Robert and Martha's children had made the move to London, this development means there may still be descendants in the area.
Thanks again.
Mike