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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mongojoby on Wednesday 15 April 09 16:44 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find a Jonathan Wilkinson (abt1834, (West) Rainton) somewhere on the census to find his potential parentage. and am hoping someone might be able to help.
I have a potential sighting on the 1851 census, which I quite like the look of as lodging with the family is a Margery Alderson from Barnard Castle. The reasons being, census returns suggest his future wife hails from there and at the moment I am working on the belief that he marries an Alderson in 1852.
He is listed as the nephew of the head of household (Jonathan Wilkinson, 1813, Colliery Row, Durham) and his pob is given as Houghton-le-spring. A possible sister Margaret (abt 1836, Houghton-le-Spring) is also there. I am trying to find this Jonathan and/or Margaret in 1841 but haven't had any luck so far. I would appreciate any help finding them so I have a bit more information to go on.
Thanks
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The nearest I have found so far is this one who is a little younger.
HO107/313/10
Kelloe
Wilkinson
John, 25, Coal Miner, Not born in county
Mary, 20
Jonathan, 5
Jane, 3
All except John born in county.
Jen
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Hi Jen, thanks for your response.
Its still a possible for my Jonathan, but don't think it can be the Jonathan I have found in 1851, as have found a likely family in Coxhoe then, which has a John, Mary, Jonathan and Jane, aged 39, 34,15 and 13 respectively.
Jo
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Here's a possible:
HO107 Piece 301 Book 7 Folio 25 Page 10
Raisin Side, Lanchester, Collierly, Durham
WILKINSON
Emerson 35 Butcher
Mary 35
Mary 5
Margt 4
Jonathan 3
Sarah 1
all born Co. Durham
Barbara
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I can't see any more candidates. Do you have the uncle, Jonathan 1813, and his family in 1841?
Jen
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2 possible baptisms, 1st looks likely, 2nd is probably for the one Jen found in 1841:
Houghton-le-Spring St. Michael & All Angels
29 Nov 1833 Jonathan Wilkinson, of Middle Rainton, born 9 Oct 1833, son of Matthew Wilkinson & Mary
Houghton-le-Spring St. Michael & All Angels
10 Jan 1836 Jonathan Wilkinson, of Houghton, born 3 Nov 1835, son of John Wilkinson & Mary
Barbara
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Thanks for your responses:
Jen- I think I have found 'uncle' Jonathan along with his wife Esther and eldest son Matthew (1 month old), in Easington mistranscribed on ancestry as Wilkins (the name overruns the box on the transcript and they seem to have cut off the on).
Barbara, do you mind if I ask what your source is for baptism records? If it is not too much trouble might you also be able to look for Margaret (abt 1836)? I would be interested in knowing whether there is a matching entry, as the first one does sound promising. I have found the baptism record using the information you have provided on the LDS pilot site and the father Matthew is listed as a pitman.
I forgot to mention previously that my Jonathan was a miner.
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There is a possible marriage for his uncle:
1840, Q3, Houghton Le Spring, 24/ 128
Esther Anderson to Jonathan Wilkinson, assuming she is an Alderson there is an Esther Alderson born 1816.
Deryck
Posted this by mistake, after I read the previous response.
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I think I have found 'uncle' Jonathan along with his wife Esther and eldest son Matthew (1 month old), in Easington mistranscribed on ancestry as Wilkins (the name overruns the box on the transcript and they seem to have cut off the on).
That definitely looks more like Wilkinson than Wilkins, I agree.
Jen
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Thanks Deryck, no need to cross it out, I still think it is useful to know of a possible Alderson connection.
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Hi mongojoby
Sorry had to go offline for a while. Am I right in assuming that the Jonathan you are trying to trace is in later census records married to an Elizabeth and always gives c1834 Rainton or Middle Rainton as his birthplace? This is why I thought the baptism with parents Matthew and Mary looked a good possibility.
The Margaret listed with young Jonathan in 1851 could be his cousin, not necessarily his sister, as they are just listed as nephew and niece to Jonathan head of household. Jonathan's birthplace is given as Durham Houghton and Margaret's is just dittoed for Durham, so not conclusive.
There are these two other baptisms that I found for children with parents Matthew and Mary, not necessarily the same couple, maybe you could check those out on familysearchlabs pilot site too:
Easington St. Mary the Virgin
4 Sep 1836 Anne Wilkinson, daughter of Matthew Wilkinson & Mary
Pittington St. Lawrence
22 July 1838 Margaret Wilkinson, of Pittington, child of Matthew Wilkinson (waggonman) & Mary
And another Margaret baptised Houghton le Spring:
Houghton-le-Spring St. Michael & All Angels
27 Apr 1834 Margaret Wilkinson, of Houghton, daughter of Thomas Wilkinson & Isabella
Still trying to find Matthew and Mary with son Jonathan in 1841 though.....
Barbara
:)
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Thanks Barbara,
You are right in your assumpton about my Jonathan. I too like the baptism you found. Jonathan's first born son was also called Matthew which seems a nice little added coincidence.
If I had to I'd put my money on Margaret being Jonathan's sister (purely because I can't track either of them down in 1841 so fancy them to be mistranscribed together!), but I appreciate the point you are making.
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The Paul Joiner marriage index shows one marriage for a Matthew Wilkinson to a Mary in County Durham 1830 +- 3 years (costs £2.50 for full details!)
It may be this one:
Gateshead Fell St. John's Church
19 Apr 1830 Matthew Wilkinson, of this parish married Mary Burrell, of this parish
I suppose really the best thing would be to find Jonathan and Elizabeth's marriage first (possibly 1852 as you say) and work back from that, with fathers' names and occupations.
Matthew's birth cert c1853 would hopefully show her maiden name
Have you managed to trace Elizabeth with any certainty in the 1851/41 census?
Barbara
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Thanks for providing that Barbara. Can't justify the £2.50 cost on the basis of what we know so far, so that will have to wait until I hopefully find out more.
I'm pretty sure the 1852 marriage is their's, due to the fact one of their son's is given Alderson as a middle name. I only just ordered and received the next Wilkinson generation down marriage certificate, so will have a wait a while to confirm/ find out father's names.
Haven't been able to track down Elizabeth Alderson on either 1841 or 1851. Unfortunately there is some discrepancy with her age (Jonathan was younger then her so might explain it). It seems relatively certain that she born in Bernard's castle and there is one born around 1828 on 1851, which I haven't discounted due to age discrepancies.
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Well I have checked Houghton le Spring enumeration districts 1-14 and Jonathan is most definitely not there. Dozens of other Wilkinsons but no sign of the one you want! Sorry.
Jen
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Hi Jen,
Same here, no sign of Matthew & Mary either, unless Matthew had died maybe
Anyway, will leave it now until mongojoby has Jonathan's marriage cert
Barbara :)
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Thanks to both of you for going to so much trouble.
Best wishes, Jo
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Hi
You can see the Bishop's transcript of the Jonathon Wilkinson christening, 29 Nov 1833 at http://search.labs.familysearch.org
It is image number 173 in the Houghton le Spring 1830-1847 records. The parent's address is Middle Rainton and Matthew is a pitman.
The christening on 10 Jan 1836 is shown on image 279 in the same set as above. The parent's address is Houghton and John is a waggon man.
All the best
Gobbo
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I have found the baptism record using the information you have provided on the LDS pilot site and the father Matthew is listed as a pitman.
Hi Gobbo, I think Jo has already been using the familysearchlabs site :)
Barbara
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Just to give you an update, as it turned out I didn't manage to wait that long to take me long to decide I could justify ordering another marriage certificate( ;)) and it came today. Details as follows:
Jonathan Wilkinson & Elizabeth Alderson married on 9th feb 1852, in St Giles, Durham.
Jonathan is a minor, Elizabeth is of full age.
Both are in residence at Dragon Villa.
Jonathan's father is named as Matthew Wilkinson (Waggon-man).
Elizabeth's father is named as Thomas Alderson (Farmer).
Witnesses to to the marriage are William Tilly and Jonathan Wilkinson (his mark).
So there is more evidence to support this christening:
2 possible baptisms, 1st looks likely, 2nd is probably for the one Jen found in 1841:
Houghton-le-Spring St. Michael & All Angels
29 Nov 1833 Jonathan Wilkinson, of Middle Rainton, born 9 Oct 1833, son of Matthew Wilkinson & Mary
I also think that the Jonathan Wilkinson who is a witness to the marriage fits in well with the 1851 census return I found with a younger Jonathan listed as a nephew.
Another potential record that was brought up as a possible for Margaret, that jumps out a bit more (if she is Jonathan's sibling is this one):
Pittington St. Lawrence
22 July 1838 Margaret Wilkinson, of Pittington, child of Matthew Wilkinson (waggonman) & Mary
It also puts Elizabeth's latest dob at 1831 (contrary to nearly all later census returns). I'm not sure how many years she might have knocked off, but there is a baptism record for an Elizabeth Alderson born to Thomas and Margery (possibly connecting nicely back to the lodger with the Wilkinson's in 1851), Barnard Castle, 1829, which seems a stronger possibility now.
Would be grateful for anymore help finding Matthew in 1841 (I think I am happy to take him as found in 1851 with the witness link) and Elizabeth in either 1841 or 1851 based on this new information.
Thanks
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Hello,
I'm a bit late for this thread - can we resurrect it for a bit? I'm interested in Jonathan Wilkinson (b 1833 or so) as he's my Great great grandfather. I'm keen to find out a bit more about his father, and a few of his sons.
I can't see anything on this thread that contradicts what little I've found, and it add/confirms a lot. :D Matthew is my favourite for being Jonathan's father, but I've never tracked Matthew on any census. I think that's because he didn't make it that far. Durham records online has an entry for a burial for a Matthew Wilkinson in 1838. There's a birth date of about 1808, and the birthplace or abode is given as Pittington. There's an entry for the death of a Matthew Wilkinson in Q2 1838 of the deaths index, but I can't make out the district. The Pittington connection fits in with the Margaret christening at Pittington st Lawrence.
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Hi Wilkohunter,
Jonathan is also a direct ancestor of mine, and Iwould be interested in sharing info.
This is going to sound stupid but I can't remember for sure off the top of my head the name of his son who my relationship is through. Matthew I think but maybe Jonathan. I will pm you when I back from work tonight with the details.
Best wishes,
Jo
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Hi Jo,
I know I'm related to Jonathan by his son Jonathan. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you. :)