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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: ferret1 on Saturday 19 February 05 14:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am descended from the HARCOURT's of NEATISHEAD AND BARTON TURF later moving to NORWICH.
They were originally called HARKER but changed their name in order to get money left in a will.
I have massive amounts of information about the whole of the family and I am willing to help others if this is needed.
Ferret1
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Dear Ferret1,
Being familar with this family and their lineage through Norfolk Family History Society (NFHS) I have seen no evidence to support your statement
"They were originally called HARKER but changed their name in order to get money left in a will".
I'd be very interested in hearing of your source.
Regards
Fjale
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Hi Fjale,
I think this information came from a book called Norfolk Families - I will have to check this and get back to you.
What is your interest in the Harcourt family? are you related?
Ferret1
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Thank you,
I look forwrd to seeing the quote. I am related by marriage.
Regards Fjale
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Hi Ferret1
I would be very interested in any information you have on the Norfolk Harcourts/Harkers.
I am descended from John Harcourt (born c 1863 Barton Turf) and Ann Jermy, through their son Boyce (born Hainford c1709)
Thanks for any help you can give
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Hi hamandpineapple,
I am more than happy to help. What I suggest is that we can exchange trees. I am currently travelling but I will check ASAP how much of your tree I have From 1863 onwards ..... I have back to the 17th century. Plus a few ideas of where it goes from there.
I am still waiting to hear back from Ferret1 abt their claim that "They were originally called HARKER but changed their name in order to get money left in a will". I don't dispute the name change but I don't think it had anything to do with the money which came later on the death of a relative.
But happy to hear any other theories especially if there is documentary evidence.
Rgrds
Fjale
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Thanks Fjale. It will be good to share notes.
My son is performing in a show for the next 3 days, so I may not have much of a chance to get online.
I'd noted the name change from 'Harker', but havn't yet come across any evidence as to why! Perhaps nothing more intriguing than mis-transcription over the years.
Catch up again as soon as I can
Kind Regards
Hamandpineapple
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Hi Fjale and hamandpineapple
many apologies for my tardiness in not getting back sooner - other matters were more pressing i'm afraid
regarding john changing his name from harker to harcourt or harecourt as i have seen it spelt. john was the nephew and joint heir to Rev. Edward Boys' wealth and he had properties at Neatishead, Horning and Great Yarmouth. i have an old family tree that was prepared by a relative many many years ago and it is on this document that it states that he changed his name because of receiving monies. perhaps this has been family legend, but i do not have copy of the norfolk families book to which i earlier referred having seen it in a library several years ago. sorry to disappoint.
hamandpineapple - i am also descended from John Harcourt (born c 1683 Barton Turf) and Ann Jermy, although through their son john b. c. 1716
your ancestor, whom i have as being spelt boyse, was christened on 16.03.1709/10 and probably born at hainford, norfolk. he married deborah curtis (or curteys) on 26.03.1734 at heigham, norfolk. deborah died at stalham in 1786 and boyse died in december 1752 being buried at st. peter mancroft, norwich on 15.12.1752
boyse was a merchant grocer of norwich and he sold his neatishead property to his brother jermy.
boyse and deborah had 5 children:
deborah c. 1733
rebecca c. 16.04.1736
john c. 29.03.1740
anne c. 05.03.1740/1
boys c. 07.11.1744
deborah married john aldham on 31.01.1760 at st. peter mancroft, norwich
rebecca married john matthews on 12.03.1761 at st. peter mancroft, norwich
john married ann durrant on 24.10.1769 at neatishead, norfolk. ann was born in c. 1751 and died on 17.12.1828, she was buried on 24.12.1828 at neatishead. john died on 28.08.1808 at neatishead and was buried at irstead, norfolk
anne married william goodbody on 21.01.1765 at st. peter mancroft, norwich
boys died on 02.02.1822 in yarmouth, norfolk - i do not have record of him marrying.
john harcourt and ann durrant had 4 children:
mary
jermy
clarissa b. c. 1789
juliet
mary married john dutchman on 04.04.1798 at neatishead
jermy married elizabeth marston on 16.10.1803 at neatishead
clarrisa married james cubitt on 18.07.1810 at neatishead
juliet married john baxter bond on 01.10.1811 at irstead, norfolk
i do not have any details of any children from john's marriage to elizabeth but would be interested to know if the details you have match mine and if you have any details of any children to john and elizabeth
i am the 7th great grand daughter of john harcourt and ann jermy and still keep the name.
ferret1
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Following on From Ferret1's Note
Jermy and Elizabeth
HARCOURT MARSTON
Had children ..
Jermy Durrant Mary Ann And possibly a third?
HARCOURT HARCOURT
b. 13.1.1804 b. 1823?
Hickling d. 21.5.1905
Age 82 yrs old
bur. Gorleston Cemetery
Clarissa and James
HARCOURT CUBITT
Had children ..
Samuel Clarissa William Mary John
Durrant CUBITT CUBITT Anne Harcourt
CUBITT CUBITT CUBITT
(Ironmonger)
Samuel m. Elizabeth
Durrant LACEY
CUBITT daughter of Richard Lacey
18.7.1834
Thorn
And they had children ...
Clara Ann
Elizabeth CUBITT
CUBITT
living 1885
And
Clara m. ?
Elizabeth CURSON
CUBITT
And interestingly ....
Ann m. John
CUBITT HARCOURT
Not quite sure which John this is but I am sure we'll find out soon .....
hamandpineapple where does your tree fit in ... ?
Rgrds
Fjale
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Hi Ferret1 and Fjale
Thanks for all the information- glad to confirm it matches with the details I have (apart from a few burials, which I didn't have)
How do your lines fit in? Ferret1 - you must be descended from John Harcourt and Ann Ellis? (Is it Barachias? I love that name! 8)) Fjale- I know you are linked by marriage- where abouts do you link? ::)
My line goes from Boyse Harcourt and Deborah Curteys/Curtis (parents Augustine Curteys and Deborah. Augustine was a carver and there is a lovely memorial to him at St Peter Mancroft, Norwich)
Boyse and Deborah had 5 children that I know of, all born in Norwich-
Deborah
Rebecca
John
Ann
Boys
I am descended from their daughter Ann, who married William Goodbody in St Peter Mancroft, Norwich 21 Jan 1765, and then through their son, Boyse Goodbody. Happy to give further details of my line if you are interested. I would love yours too. :)
The Harcourts/ Boys/ Jermys are such interesting families aren't they?
It would be good to share notes to see if we can help fill in any gaps!
I have John Harcourt's parents (ie the one who married Ann Jermy) as John Harker/Harcourt and Ann Cubitt ( Cubitt is a good old Norfolk name, but I don't know anything about her yet) and then before that it's John Jr Harker and Jane Boys - well documented online, but I havn't checked the details in PRs for myself yet.
Catch up again soon!
Kind Regards
Hamandpineapple
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Hi hamandpineapple and fjale
my harcourt line is:
John Harker m. Jane Boys:
John Harcourt m. Ann Cubitt:
John Harcourt m. Anne Jermy:
John Harcourt m. Anne Ellis:
William Harcourt m. Elizabeth Dye:
William Harcourt m. Ann Colthorpe/Calthorpe:
Samuel Harcourt m. Sophia Carr:
Alfred Harcourt m. Alice Spencer:
Alfred Henry Harcourt m. Nellie Sharpe Crampton:
Reginald Carr Harcourt m. Phyllis Marjorie Manners:
Kenneth David Harcourt m. Rosamund Leonora Knights:
me!
I have the full jermy family tree if you are interested, although would need to think of another way of sending it to you
Ferret1
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Hi Ferret1
Thanks for your line- great to see where you fit in.
I knew I'd seen this tree before somewhere, and eventually found it posted online at http://stanfield.und.ac.za/gedhtree/oldjermy/gp2116.html :o
Will send a personal message and we'll go from there!
Kind Regards
Hamandpineapple
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I've just joined the forum and am new to researching family history. I found your rather old post and am very interested as my mother is a living Harcourt (age 93). By a combination of my own research and by looking at other's trees i have been able to trace the line back to John Harker and have similar results to you, i.e:
John Harker m. Jane Boys:
John Harcourt m. Ann Cubitt
John Harcourt m. Anne Jermy
John Harcourt m. Anne Ellis
William Harcourt m. Elizabeth Dye
Anthony Harcourt m. Mary Butler
Charles S Harcourt m. Eliza Olley
Charles S Harcourt m. Elizabeth A Binks
Frederick G Harcourt m. Edith Ethel Wright
My mother
What is particularly interesting is that, according to others, the Cubbit line can be traced back to royalty but I am taking that with a pinch of salt for the moment. If you have managed to dig out any additional information on the Harcourt line since your original post - particularly the change of name from Harker, I would be very interested
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Hi
Arthur Edward Harcourt (my great great grandfather's child from his 2nd marriage) was born in Norwich in 1894 and died in Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia. He married Daisy Anetta Pearson.
I'm not sure of this fits in with your family?