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I'm looking for William f. Preshaw who married Christian Lyall in 1862 in Kincardine Scotland I can't find them in the Scottish or English census after the marriage. There might be a possibility they went to Australia, it's a long shot. William was born in 1833 in Fettercairn In Kincardine Scotland. Is it possible for some-one to have a look for me?
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From the NSW BDM ( http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm )
Is this your man? I included George because he has the same parents.
1876 PRESHAW WILLIAM (Parents: WILLIAM ISABELLA) (Place: BALRANALD )
1890 PRESHAW GEORGE O (Parents: WILLIAM F ISABELLA W) (Place: CAMDEN)
Not sure if you are familiar with NSW, but Balranald is in south west NSW and Camden is just south of Sydney.
There are births to George O and Anna M (1884) and George W and Edith M (1889 and 1891) and James A and Alice G (1905 and 1907). The birth index only goes to 1908.
Good luck
Jean
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There is a mention in the Police Gazette (23 June, 1875) of Mr W F Preshaw, superintendent, Canally Station, who identified some clothing found near the remains of human bones at Tarloc, on the Canally Station, South-Western District.
The Aldine Centenary History of NSW (1888) gives the following details about G O Preshaw:
THE BANK OF NEW SOUTH WALES (Camden branch) was opened in 1865 by Mr W Drummond, the first manager. The present manager is Mr G O Preshaw, who is a son of the late Dr Preshaw, of Victoria.
William Fisher Preshaw was on the list of Justices of the Peace empowered to consent to the marriage of minors at Castlemaine (Victoria) in 1865.
However he was already a Magistrate at Castlemaine in August 1857, so that was before the marriage wasn't it? Or is this the father?
Even earlier: mention of the Castlemaine Hospital, which "was founded as early as the year 1853, those who took a prominent part in the beneficient work having been the late Dr Preshaw..." "A temporary building .. was erected .. a dispensary having been opened in Castlemaine by Dr Preshaw, ad interim."
The Australian Medical Pioneers Index ( http://www.medicalpioneers.com/search.htm ) gives a little about William Fisher Preshaw, including his date of death, aged 56 on 7 March 1866 at Castlemaine. It also says he arrived on the "Garland" ex Liverpool 26 April 1852 arriving Melbourne 31 July 1852.
Apparently his family came a little later, arriving in August 1852 on the Castle Eden:
PRESHAW MARTHA 51
PRESHAW DANIEL 21
PRESHAW WILLIAM 19
PRESHAW ISABELLA 17
PRESHAW MARGARET 15
PRESHAW GEORGE 11
PRESHAW JOHN 9
PRESHAW MARY 6
PRESHAW ROBERT 5
PRESHAW LYDIA 4
Does all this fit in with what you know about your family?
Jean
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Also on the Probate Index from Victoria:
Isabella W Preshaw Widow Castlemaine 12 Oct 1896
Robert H Preshaw Clerk West Melbourne 4 Sep 1873
William F Preshaw Surgeon Castlemaine 7 Mar 1866
I'll be interested to hear from the Victorian ladies on this list to see what they turn up.
Jean
P.S. I hope this is your family ! !
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Well found Jean!
The records show the family in New Jersey in 1851 and reveal that Allthough William Fisher Preshaw (Snr) was born in England a number of the children were born in Scotland.
There is no sign of a marriage in Victoria for young William allthough a number of his brothers and sisters married there, but as Hearross says they were married in Scotland in 1862 looks like he has ventured back there
There is a death in Victoria for a William Fisher Preshaw but he is the son of the brother Robert Preshaw and his wife Anne Wallace born 1866.
I have had a good search but can find no record of Christian Preshaw nee Llyall.
Heaross, have you checked for her death in Scotland?
The Preshaw family were not lucky most of the sons died youngish and even some of their children died very young, one of Williams brothers lost two little children aged 3 and 5 on the same day in Victoria.
I have not detailed all of the marriages and deaths as yet as you may not want them but if you do I will post them up if you want.
kind thoughts Jenn
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A little more info
PRESHAW, William Fisher.
Electoral Roll 1856
Place: Castlemaine District , Castlemaine.
Occupation:Surgeon.
Qualification: Householder House; Locality of Qualification: Castlemaine
PRESHAW, William Fisher.
Electoral Roll 1861-1862
Place: Castlemaine District , Lyttleton Street.
Qualification Freeholder - Locality of Qualification Castlemaine
I have found a reference to him being mentioned in the Victorian 1859-60 stats - Parliamentary Papers. Public Service & Members of Parliament, and also as a witness in a murder case in 1862.
There are references to him in Vic Govt Gazettes in 1857, 59 and 65.
An author as well :)
The Elements of Human Anatomy and Physiology Simplified: Intended for the Non-professional Public
By William Fisher Preshaw
Published by Charles Zeigler, 1842
Link to a photo of a Margaret ARCHDALL nee PRESHAW at Castlemaine.
http://bygonedaysphotography.blogspot.com/2009/01/archdall-family-of-victoria-australia.html
On the link kindly given by Jean,
http://www.medicalpioneers.com/search.htm
there is a contact name and suburb only address in Melbourne - noted in 2008.
You could search here for full address and phone no.
http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSearch.do
I do hope this is your man as well!!
Cheers
Cando
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I'm looking for William f. Preshaw who married Christian Lyall in 1862 in Kincardine Scotland I can't find them in the Scottish or English census after the marriage. There might be a possibility they went to Australia, it's a long shot. William was born in 1833 in Fettercairn In Kincardine Scotland. Is it possible for some-one to have a look for me?
From IGI
PRESHAW William Fullerton
16 Jun 1833 Fettercairn, Kincardine, Scotland
Parents William PRESHAW Isabella OGILVY
Jean may have found William - same parents' given names but no 2nd given name or initial for Wm F on the indexes, so not conclusive. Jean do you have access to the Balranald/Hay cemetery records?
From the NSW BDM ( http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm )
Is this your man? I included George because he has the same parents.
1876 PRESHAW WILLIAM (Parents: WILLIAM ISABELLA) (Place: BALRANALD )
1890 PRESHAW GEORGE O (Parents: WILLIAM F ISABELLA W) (Place: CAMDEN)
Not sure if you are familiar with NSW, but Balranald is in south west NSW and Camden is just south of Sydney.
There are births to George O and Anna M (1884) and George W and Edith M (1889 and 1891) and James A and Alice G (1905 and 1907). The birth index only goes to 1908.
Good luck
Jean
Oh we are an enthusiastic lot aren't we ;D ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Deleted. Double up.
Sue
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Many thanks all of you for all the informatin and avenues of information you have opened up for me. This is the family that are related to me . You're all brilliant . This info. has been very much appreciated. I tried to find Christian Lyall m.n. Preshaw but nothing is coming up in Scotland. I'll try England And Jersey and see if I have any luck, i'll let you know. regards Pat.
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Hi Pat,
Well we got there eventually ;)
Cheers
Cando
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A little more
Birth
PRESHAW George Olgivy
25 Jul 1839 Fettercairn, Kincardine, Scotland
Father William F PRESHAW Mother Isobel OGILVY
Cheers
Cando
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Do you need further info from the Vic bdm's?
Cando
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Anymore information you can find would be appreciated. I'm still trawling through the info. youall gave me earlier. Stilltrying to find a marriage for William and Isabelle and a birth for them, but i'll get there eventually. Cheers everyone.
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Glad to hear you think they are definately your family, Heaross, there is certainly a lot of birth death and marriages in Victoria that we can pass on to you.
George Ogilivy PRESHAW married Anna Marie Wallace in Victoria went to New Zealand had a number of children there came back to Victoria and then onto NSW. He got about quite a bit.
If you can obtain the death certificate for William F Preshaw you will find that it gives a lot of information. IT should tell you if he was indeed married to Christian You can order it online from the NSW site for around $25 Australia or you can use a transcription agent for about $15 but I do think the prices have gone up a wee bit this year.
Registry of BMD New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/certificateDatesAndContent.htm
Transcription Agents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
I have had no luck in tracing Christian
David Olgivy PRESHAW married Caroline Jackson in 1863 in Victoria had a number of children and then went to New Zealand after his wife died he remarried Jane Norgate ( he was the hospitals chemist]. This article details quite a bit about the couple. He die in New Zelaand in 1903
http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/DNZB/alt_essayBody.asp?essayID=2P28
Jenn
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Anymore information you can find would be appreciated. I'm still trawling through the info. youall gave me earlier. Stilltrying to find a marriage for William and Isabelle and a birth for them, but i'll get there eventually. Cheers everyone.
Hi Pat ;D
Marriage
PRESHAW William Fisher
OGILVY Isabella Will
224 Nov1830 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
Cheers
Cando
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Oh Jean what a good find, very interesting
I am just completeing details of BDM's for the family.
Kind thougths Jenn
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PRESHAW William Fisher died in 1866 aged 56 reg no 802
Father William mother Margaret Mathers
PRESHAW Isabella Will died aged 89 in 1896 at Castlemaine Victori reg no 12785
Father James Ogilvy mother unknown
PRESHAW Margaret Mathers married George SEVIER
1854 in Victoria reg no 32
children born in Castlemaine Victoria to this couple
SEVIER Percy Nairne born 1857 reg no 16705
SEVIER George Ogilvy born 1860 reg no 4574
SEVIER Isabella Margt born 1862 reg no 13413
SEVIER John Charles born 1864 reg no 13931
Couldn't locate death for George Sevier as yet
ARCHDALL Henry Thos Hewan married Margaret SEVIER
Reg no 3851
\one child to them
ARCHDALE Henry Sutton born 21655
ARCHDALL Margt Mathers died in 1914 aged 77 at Castlemaine reg no 8923
PRESHAW David Ogilvy married Caroline JACKSON
1863 in Victoria reg no 3231
children born in Victoria
PRESHAW Isabella Mary born 1864 reg no 13745
PRESHAW William Ogilvy born 1865 reg no 7210 died aged 14 days reg no 6155
PRESHAW Elizabeth Emily born 1866 reg no 7017 died aged 6mnths reg no 10935
PRESHAW Chas Mackinson born 1868 reg no 1400
PRESHAW Robert Ogilvy born 1870 reg no 4611
PRESHAW George Ogilvy married Anna Maria Wallace
1863 in Victoria reg no 3421
children born in Victoria
PRESHAW Kate Nairne born 1876 reg no 14770
PRESHAW Charles Ernest born 1879 reg no 6716 died in 1879 reg no 3617
PRESHAW Edith May born 1881 reg no 7021
PRESHAW Mary Agnes died age 3 ( born Hoki) reg no 6025
PRESHAW Harry Ogilvie died aged 5 ( born Hoki) reg np 6027
PRESHAW Lydia Sanders Brodie married Francis Wynne HICKLING
In Victoria in 1867 reg no 2325
HICKLING Francis Wynne died aged 37 in 1872 in Victoria regno 6390
Father James Wigg Hickling mother Ellen Elizabeth Wynne
HICKLING Lydia died in 1926 aged 77 at Malvern East reg no 6150
Father Hickling Wm Fisher Prishaw mother Isbla Ogilvy
(this is how it is shown)
HICKLING Frank Wm died aged 27 in 1898 at Fitroy South Victoria reg no 7463
father Frank Wm Hickling mother Lydia Preshaw
but I cannot locate a birth for him as yet.
PRESHAW Robert Holderness married Elizabeth Mary Smith
In 1869 in Victoria reg no 232
One child
PRESHAW Ethel Frances born 1870 Melbourne reg no 10412
PRESHAW Robert Holderness died aged 27 in 1873 reg no 7175
Father William Fish mother Isabella Will Ogilvy
Elizabeth Mary Preshaw married Henry William MEAKIN in 1879 reg no 901
PRESHAW Ethel Fran married Michael Joseph DALY in Victoria reg no 6138
DALY Ethel Francis died aged 79 in 1949 At Malvern reg no 13195
Father Preshaw Robt Mother Eliz Mary SMITH
GRAHAM Isabella Preshaw bornd 1854 at Castlemaine Victoria reg no 2817
Father John Graham mother Isabella Preshaw
I could find no marriage for this couple
Ther are still a few children who I cannot account for as yet but will continue to search
Jenn
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Jenn
So it looks as though the BDM entries:
PRESHAW Margaret Mathers married George SEVIER
1854 in Victoria reg no 32
children born in Castlemaine Victoria to this couple
SEVIER Percy Nairne born 1857 reg no 16705
SEVIER George Ogilvy born 1860 reg no 4574
SEVIER Isabella Margt born 1862 reg no 13413
SEVIER John Charles born 1864 reg no 13931
Couldn't locate death for George Sevier as yet
ARCHDALL Henry Thos Hewan married Margaret SEVIER
Reg no 3851
\one child to them
ARCHDALE Henry Sutton born 21655
ARCHDALL Margt Mathers died in 1914 aged 77 at Castlemaine reg no 8923
are connected with the photo link Cando entered:
Link to a photo of a Margaret ARCHDALL nee PRESHAW at Castlemaine.
http://bygonedaysphotography.blogspot.com/2009/01/archdall-family-of-victoria-australia.html
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It seems the only one missing is Christian / Christina / Christiana who married William F Preshaw (see first posting of Heaross).
Perhaps she died pre-sailing, on voyage or otherwise was buried under her maiden name in Victoria - some Scottish people did - has anyone looked for the death of Christian (etc) Lyall in Victoria?
Jean
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Ok (big breath)
Just to complicate matters, these are the Preshaw which turn up on the NZ BDMs: !!?!! :-\
All Preshaw marriages:
1868 - Bride's name given as John Allan Preshaw with no groom's name
1879 - David Ogilvy Preshaw to Jane O'Brien
1892 - Isabella Elsie Preshaw to William John Worthington
1905 - William Bremner Preshaw to Eliza Mary Cameron
1907 - Christina Marion Preshaw to Russell Gerald William Adams
1909 - Charles Makinson Preshaw to Maria Eliza Coombe
1923 - Cecil Makinson Preshaw to Mary Clarice Evelyn
All Preshaw births:
1864 - George Wallace Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1866 - William Fisher Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1868 - Annie W Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1868 - Isabella Elsie Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1870 - Harry Ogilvy Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1870 - William Bremner Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1872 - John Allan O Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1872 - Mary Agnes Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1874 - Charles Alfred Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1874 - James Alfred Preshaw (no parents names shown)
1875 - Maris Lydia May Preshaw (Parents John Allan and Christina)
1884 - Lilian Ethel Preshaw (Parents: John Allan and Christina)
1886 - Harold Hickling Preshaw (Parents: John Allan and Christina)
1907 - Maria Christina Preshaw (Parents: William Bremner and Eliza)
All Preshaw deaths:
1871 - Caroline (Not Recorded)
1871 - John (Not Recorded)
1902 - John Allan, age 61
1903 - David Ogilvy, age 71
1913 - Charles Nickinson, age 46
1915 - Christina, age 70
1918 - Harold (Not Recorded)
1926 - Jane, age 87
1941 - Maria Eliza, age 74
1947 - Cecil Makinson, age 66
1948 - William Bremner, age 78
1951 - Clarice Evelyn, age 62
1952 - Elizabeth Mary, age 75
Jean ;D ;D
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William Fisher's death cert in 1866 would be helpful here. Hopefully the full names of his children are named as issue.
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Probably already somewhere on the thread :-\
PRESHAW William Fisher
Father William Mother Margaret MATHERS
56 Place of birth Plymouth 1866 Reg#802
Inquests in Vic
PRESHAW William Fisher at Castlemaine 1866 Ref#185
Cause Fatty degeneration Heart Occupation Medical Man
PRESHAW Robert H at Kew 1873 Ref#764
Cause Rupture Bowels
Wm Fisher PRESHAW's file on PROV has not been digitised. Isabella's and Robt H's have been digitised. I have downloaded them and the site is still experiencing problems in that it is very very slow. Email from PROV this am advises to 'try again later'. They are currently addressing the problems.
Extracted record IGI
OGILVY Isabel
Birth 20 Jan 1807
Baptism 25 Jan 1807 Alyth, Perth, SCT
Father James OGILVY Mother Mary CHALMERS
Cheers
Cando
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Cando,
Did Isabell PRESHAW will mention William F.Preshaw's wife at all?
Jenn
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Jenn
So it looks as though the BDM entries:
PRESHAW Margaret Mathers married George SEVIER
1854 in Victoria reg no 32
children born in Castlemaine Victoria to this couple
SEVIER Percy Nairne born 1857 reg no 16705
SEVIER George Ogilvy born 1860 reg no 4574
SEVIER Isabella Margt born 1862 reg no 13413
SEVIER John Charles born 1864 reg no 13931
Couldn't locate death for George Sevier as yet
ARCHDALL Henry Thos Hewan married Margaret SEVIER
Reg no 3851
\one child to them
ARCHDALE Henry Sutton born 21655
ARCHDALL Margt Mathers died in 1914 aged 77 at Castlemaine reg no 8923
are connected with the photo link Cando entered:
Link to a photo of a Margaret ARCHDALL nee PRESHAW at Castlemaine.
http://bygonedaysphotography.blogspot.com/2009/01/archdall-family-of-victoria-australia.html
Yes Jean, that is the famly mentioned.
JEnn
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My goodness you've all been busy, you'rre all brilliant, I have to go out this morning, when I come home i'll sift all this through and try and match everybody up, as i'm in Scotland I don,t get access to a lot of the records as I have to pay for them. If I can do any researching for any of you do't hesitate to ask. Christian is proving a bit of a puzzle isn't she. Thanks again for all your help.
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With the risk of my message being removed from this forum again, can I just say that George Olgilvy Preshaw published a book called "Banking under difficulties, or Life on the goldfields of Victoria, New South Wales and New Zealand" in 1888.
If you can obtain a copy of it, the small portion of it which I quoted (a few paragraphs) from a total of 179 pages, will be very interesting.
Jean
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I managed to bring the book up but as i'm still trying to sort out all the information everybody has given me i'll have a proper read at it later. Regards Pat.
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Finally managed to download Isabella PRESHAW's will
some help in it.
John Allen Preshaw is her son. From Jena's posting he also ventured on to New Zealand.
Also mention her Daughter Isabella Will Graham Widow of the late John Graham of leeds.
and her Daughter
Mary (very hard for me to read) Jamison MACKi**SONn wife of Gharles Macki*son of Manchester England
Upon searching in England I found that Isabella Preshaw GRAHAM married Fredrick Jackson BONWELL in Yorkshire in 1877. In 1881 the family records a visitor with them a one Isabella Graham Widow .
Children to John Graham and Isabella Will Preshaw
Isabella Preshaw Graham born 1854 in Victoria Australia
Jane C Graham born 1857 Leeds Yorkshire
Harry Ogilivy Graham 1859 Ireland
Johwn W Graham born 1869 Middlsex London
Jenn
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I have been searching away and found that the name is MAKINSON ( the clue was in the NZ Births supplied by Jean ;D)
I found the couple in England he a solicitor as indicated in Isabella Preshaw's will. They appear not to have had children and in 1901 Mary E J Makinson is a widow living on own means in a boarding house in Lancashire.
Couldn't find a marriage in England but found it in Victoria
PRESHAN Mary Emmanuella Jamieson married in 1864 reg no 1196 to
Charles MAKINSON
Jenn
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Apologies Jenn I missed your request about will info.
I have emailed both files to heaross.
Cando
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Hello all, i'm still trying to get through all the information you have given me. Any time I have come onto the site for information I have never been let down. You have all been amazing. Thank you very much. Regards Pat.
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Hi,
I've just lucked on this thread by googling. I think I may have some information about Preshaws in New Zealand that is of interest. I am descended from David Ogilvy Preshaw's second wife, Jane. I have recently found information about the death if his first wife, and their last child, also about his brother George who was in NZ for a while. I have photographs of David, plus one of his son Charles Makinson, they are buried next to each other. If this is of any help let me know.
cheers
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For the member searching for WF Preshaw I may have all teh info you need? Dr WF Preshaw is my Great, Great, Great Grandfather... He came to Australia in 1852. He was a surgeon and resided in Castlemaine Victoria...
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I am writing biography of William Fisher Preshaw because of importance in growth of Castlemaine, hospital etc, during gold rush days. any information would be of great assistance.
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For what is worth, a mention or William Preshaw as Sponsor in Jersey.
http://www.jerseyheritagetrust.jeron.je/word/GC03A215_July_1848_June_1852.htm
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Thank you- a growing portrait of his activities
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Hi there, I'm not sure if this page is still active but am giving it a shot. I am a descendant of William F. Preshaw through his daughter Isabella W. Preshaw (married to John Graham). I'm doing some family research and am at a block with his parents. I have their names and marriage dates as well as Margaret Mather's birthdate but that's it. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Noni Battye (Duncan, BC, Canada)