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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Biko on Saturday 19 February 05 11:14 GMT (UK)
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Could anyone tell me what part of Glasgow Brown Street was in 1923?
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Brown St comes under the area of Port Dundas, which I believe to be in Milton. In 1881 it came under the parish of Barony.
Liz
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Thank You Very Much.
I am currently searching Scotlandspeople and I can not find Port Dundas in the drop down menu they provide...Should I use Port Glasgow?
The address I have is for 1923 so it cannot be the 1881 version
Ooops I didn't read your post fully, just noticed the Milton. Off to try that.
Once again thank you :)
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Port Dundas is the name given to an area of Glasgow just north of the current city centre . Use Barony if you want to limit the search.
Port Glasgow is approximately 25 miles from Glasgow, it was originally a small area built around Newark castle on the banks of the Firth of Clyde which was bought up by the merchants of Glasgow to use as a port for the city as the river clyde was un-navigable due to silting.
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There are other "Brown Streets" listed in Glasgow
Brown Street Anderston (west of current City Centre)
and Brown Street Bridgeton (East of Current City Centre)
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/
has images of Brown Street (Anderston) 1912 - 1923
and if you go to http://www.theglasgowstory.co.uk/ you can search the city valuation rolls for 1913 which can be searched by street or area. They give you the name of the head of the household and details of rent and owner of property.
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From http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/info-streetschanged1.html
these streets were changed from Brown Street prior to the the 1940's
Brown Street, Bridgeton to Acorn Street, SE
Brown Street, Port Dundas to Civic Street, C4
The period from 1910 to mid 1930's was a time of considerable change in Glasgow as the city finally expanded its boundaries and swallowed up the minor burghs which had surrounded it for so long. During this period many of the duplicated names were changed.
Odds are that the Brown Street you are looking for in 1923 is Brown Street Anderston
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@Falkyrn
I cannot say thank you enough for the information you provided...Always good to get a bit of history.
:)
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I have just booked tickets to go to Glasgow at the end of the month (May)
With my cousins I will be going to scatter my aunty's ashes (cousins mother and grandmother and wife of my grandfathers first wife, son) We can only stay the day, but will arrive around 9am.
While there we intend to do some research, on this womans family, her husbands family history and his father's, (my grandfather) time in Scotland.
My grandfather settled in Glasgow from the Caribbean some time in the mid 1900's,(no one in the family knows for sure exactly when, although it is rumored around the time of first world war) And he was a merchant seaman.
We do know that he married his first wife in Glasgow 1923, she died at child birth or shortly after.
And family rumour claims(this as been partially verified) that her parents were Irish immigrants to Scotland.
Their son was adopted by another mixed race family (we don't know if this adoption was a legal arrangement, as rumour as it that the husband of the woman that adopted him was a cousin of my grandfather). However he did legally use this family's name. His children and grandchildren still go by this name.
Time will be limited, however there will be 5 of us and the plan is for each of us to concentrate on searching different archives/documents.
What I need to know is:
Where do we go for records? (will we have to go to Edinburgh?)
Do we need to book in advance? (it will be a Tuesday, day after English bank holiday)
And what will be available?
Always grateful for any advice
Biko
(what a web we weave)
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The Mitchell Library in Glasgow would probably be your best bet in the city have a look at
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Leisure_Culture/Libraries/Collections/ArchivesandSpecialCollections/
or for directions to the mitchell
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Leisure_Culture/Libraries/Librarylocations/themitchell.htm
http://www.virtourist.com/europe/glasgow/09a.htm
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@Falkryn
Thank You very much.
Yes the links have been very useful.
If anyone wants me to do some look ups for them let me know. But sorry I will not be able to do a lot. I would love to, but time and I have a lot of my own research to do. I really wish we could have gone for the two days, but earning a living gets in the way.
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This may also interest you. The Glasgow Story site has valuation rolls, which are searchable, on it's site. Brown Street in Port Dundas came under ward 16 and you can see an image of that ward here (http://www.theglasgowstory.com/valmap.php?ward=16). You can enlarge this image for a better look. If you look at the I in XVI above Cowcaddens then you will see Brown street. As Falkyrn said this is now named Civic Street.
You also mentioned that you Grandfather was in the Merchant Navy. It's well worth searching the National Archives (https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/merchant/step9.htm) in that case. My grandfather was also in the Merchant Navy. The good news was I found his Seaman's Pouch on the site, the bad news was the cost to actually get digital copies of the the documents contained in there. I got his ID card, photo included, which was the pick of the bunch.
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Thank You Robert, particularly for the Seaman details....You know it never even crossed my mind to follow this line of inquiry.
Although I've been to the Glasgow Stories site, I never picked up on the map with Brown St.
I shall take my cousin there when we arrive in Glasgow, show them the street their father (and grandfather) was born and where their grandmother (and grt grandmother) lived until her death. It should be a nice surprise for them.
Thanks :)
(really looking forward to this trip...still gutted we can't stay longer)
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Hi Biko,
No problem and best of luck. As I said the National Archives charge a small fortune, £10 per page scan, so it could be costly if you do find a seaman's pouch or something else belonging to your grandfather.
I noticed that you said your grandfather's first marriage was in 1923. If he was in Galsgow 10 years earlier then his name may appear in the valuation roll- that might have been before he arrived though.
Robert
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Hi
I know I'm a bit late replying to your post but I just joined the site today!
From reading your family details I think the Brown Street you are looking for would be the Brown St in Anderston. It is beside the River Clyde and at that time the Clyde was full of shipyards and docks. Many residents were working in the Merchant Navy or in the shipyards.
Brown St is still in Anderston. It runs from Argyle St at the Ministry of Defence office to the Broomielaw (Clyde St). Today there are no tenements or houses just offices and small warehouses.
Hope this helps
Angela