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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: smoothrooster on Sunday 12 April 09 10:24 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out more information about my 2G Grandfather Richard Roberts. According to his marriage certificate he was 22 when he married Loveday Trudgian Ellory in Dec 1862. On the marriage cert. it shows his father's name but I am unable to work out what it is, so I am hoping that someone will be able to help. The marriage cart is too large to attach so I have attached the section with his father's name ( I can e-mail full copy if someone thinks they can help )
I am after any inforamtion regarding Richard or his father
Any help would be much appreciated
Regards
Paul
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Hello Paul
The name looks like Roland. However I can't find a Roland Richards in Cornwall in the censuses at the moment. Also I see that Richard had died by the time of the 1871 census and that Loveday is living with her father and 7 year old son.
What was Richard's occupation on the marriage certificate?
Barbara
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Another question Paul :)
Who were the witnesses at the wedding? Thay may give us some more clues.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
thank you for replying,
Roland was what I thought that it could be but was not sure. Have not been able to find any Roland Roberts anywhere?
Richard occupation was a sailor, on his son Richard's Marriage Cartificate it list his occupation as being in the merchant navy.
Witness at the wedding are as attached Rachael Wollcock, she married Loveday's brother at a later stage so I assume they we probably good friend and another person possibly surname of Pope but I am not to sure.
Again thank you
Regards
Paul
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I suspected he was a seaman. Unfortunately he could have come from anywhere. :(
Will do a bit more hunting.
Barbara
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Hi all
It looks like his dad's occupation is farmer. I also cannot see a Roland anywhere. Could his name perhaps be "Richard" as well?
deb :-\
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The results of some more research!
In 1861 there are 2 Richard Roberts Seaman of about the right age on Vessels in Cornwall. One is born Conway, Wales and is in Par harbour. The other is born Helston and is at St Michaels Mount.
As I have not been able to find a Richard with father Roland in Cornwall I have followed up the Welsh Richard. Par harbour is of course also of note!
1851 Census
HO107 2519 f 116
Vattur, Eglwys Rhos
Rowland Roberts Head 54 Ag Lab b Caerhun, Caernarvonshire
Catherine Wife 45 b Pennmachur
Richd 11 Son b Llangystenin
Catherine Dau 9 b Llangystenin
Emma Dau 3 b Llangystenin
Mary Thomas 49 Visitor b Pennmachur
Deaths Dec 1855
Roberts Rowland Conway 11b 357
In 1861 Richard is not with Catherine his widowed mother.
What do you think?
Barbara
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Here is the family in 1841
HO107 1389/4 f 6
Llan Gwstennin, Caernarvonshire
Rowland Roberts 40 Ag Lab
Cath Roberts 30
Hannah Roberts 14
Elizabeth Roberts 10
Richard Roberts 1
Barbara
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Hi,
Firstly Deb, thank you for taking the time to post I appreciate it.
Barbara, what you have found appears to be right, the fact that the 'w' was dropped on the spelling on the marriage certificate is understandable and Rowland occupation lines up also with the marriage certicate.
I appreciate the effort you have put in to helping me
Lastly could you please let me know where you found out about the information about the vessels
Again Barbara thank you for your help
Kind Regards
Paul
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Hello Paul
1861 Census
Vessel "Newquay", Par Harbour
Richard Roberts Unmarried 20 A B Seaman b Conway, Wales
George Tolley Unmarried 18 Boy b Gloucester
Barbara
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well done , Barbara :D
IGI
Hannah Roberts d/o Rowland Roberts and Elizabeth
02 JUL 1828 Ruthin, Denbigh
I am wondering if Catherine was Rowland's 2nd wife as there seems to be a big gap between the eldest 2 children and Richard being born in 1840.
There is this marriage;
Rowland Roberts and on the same page is Catherine WILLIAMS
Dec q 1838
Llanrwst , Caernarvonshire, Denbighshire
vol 27 pg 317
from IGI, extracted
Marriage
Roland Roberts = Elizabeth Williams
31 MAR 1823 Llanfaglan, Caernarvon
deb
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Hi Barbara and Deb
Thank you both so much for the effort you have put in, I really appreciate it
Kind Regards
Paul