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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: lynne j on Saturday 11 April 09 11:29 BST (UK)
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can anyone please help ,I have found on the IGI two baptisms at presbyterian church branton northumberland
margaret hindmarsh born 21st dec 1802 baptised 6th jan 1803 father thomas hindmarsh and margaret
jane hindmarsh born 13th sept 1804 baptised 30th oct 1804
I am trying to find the actual baptism transcripts to find more info as I am following a thomas hindmarch (Hymers) married at st johns newcastle in 1795 to a margaret robinson
up till now I have found baptisms at gateshead for frances 1797 thomas 1796 gatehead and for mary hindmarch baptised at gateshead 1799 father thomas hindmarch native of st johns newcastle mam margaret robinson of all saints newcastle fathers occupation a sinker ,so I am wondering if these other two baptisms are the same family ,could they have moved back to northumberland
lynnej
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There are three baptisms in the Branton register -
16 April 1801 Robert son to Thomas Hindmarsh & Margaret his wife was born at Bewick Hill Side in the parish of Eglingham 5 April 1801
6 January 1803 Margaret daughter to Thomas Hindmarsh & Margaret his wife was born at Bewick-hillside in the parish of Eglingham 21 December 1802
30 October 1804 Jane daughter to Thomas Hindmarsh & Margaret his wife was born at Bewick-hillside in the parish of Eglingham 13 September 1804
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Hi thank you ,
do you think this thomas hindmarsh and margaret could be the same couple who were the parents of my mary hindmarch born 1799 in gateshead
lynnej
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Hi Jora -
You seem to have access to the Branton Prsbytarian Church Records.
I am trying to confirm the names of the parents of a James Chrisp who was born c17 October 1808 and baptised at Branton Presbyterian Church on 6 November 1808.
I believe his parents were James and Mary Chrisp (Crisp)
Do those records provide other details on the parents?
Thanks for you help.
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The only extra information is the place where he was born -
6 November 1808. James son to James Crisp and Mary his wife was born at Hareup [Harehope] in the parish of Eglingham 17 October 1808.
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The only extra information is the place where he was born -
6 November 1808. James son to James Crisp and Mary his wife was born at Hareup [Harehope] in the parish of Eglingham 17 October 1808.
Thanks very much for that confirmation.
A final question: is Hareup the same place as Harup?
In the 1851 census James has Branton as his birthplace and in 1871 he has Harup - so if Harup is an alternative to or a misspelling of Hareup then I have the problem sorted.
Thanks again
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Yes, Harup, Hareup and Harehope are all variations on the spelling of the same place name.
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Thanks again. A Kiwi's conundrum well clarified.
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Hi
I notice you may have access to Branton presbyterian church records - I have been looking for information about Thomas Graham of Branton b1812 would be grateful if you could look up any information- he married 1840 in an irregular cross border marriage.
Barbara ::)
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Hi Barbara,
I am sorry I can't help you. I have a transcript of the Branton register but it is from 1785 to 1809 only.
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I have Branton Presby baptisms up to 1837 but no Thomas Graham 1809-1817, actually no one named Graham at all.
Janis
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Hi
THANKS a lot for your help it was a long shot - i have Thomas Graham marrying Grace Selby in an irregular marriage and the record states he is of Branton- not sure if he was presbyterian but there must be a reason that they were married across the border!!! Thanks again
Barbara
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Hi jora and 2zpool -
Could you please check to see if there are other children born to James and Mary Chrisp/Crisp around 1809 and christened at Branton who might be the siblings of James born 1809 - my earlier posts as"fullback" refer.
Cheers and thanks
Alan
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I think this was 1811, they are sort of mixed up some plus gives a bit more information: William Crisp born 16 June baptised 22 July 4th son of James Crisp, Shepard of Hareup, native of West Wood House by his wife Mary Robinson, native of Northumberland
Mary Crisp born 25 Mar 1814, baptised 18 Apr 1814 1st daughter of James Crisp, late shepard of Hareup native of West Westwook nr Wooler by his wife Mary Robinson native of Northumberland
As late shepard--did James die then? I see no further baptisms to this family of Crisps but there is a John and Mary [nee Elliott] of Hareup, shepard having children
Janis
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Hi Janis -
Thank you very much for the information about the Branton christenings of William and Mary Crisp, the children of James and Mary Robinson/Crisp.
I do not know when James died, so do not know if the reference to "late" means "dead" or "once a resident thereof".
Seems there were a number of Crisp families having their children christened at Branton around that time: 1) George and Anne with George in 1807; 2) John and Mary Elliott with William 1792, Mary 1810, Ann 1814, Hannah 1817, Adam 1819; 3) John and Isabel Lee with John 1807.
Thanks again for you helpful reply
Alan
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Hi Janis -
Could you confirm that James Crisp was native of Weetwood House (Hall?) and West Weetwood, rather than Westwood.
Thanks
Alan
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I am dealing with a typed transcription so this is what is in there--the original could have something different I don't know
William Crisp baptism says that James was from West Wood House
With Mary is says West Westwood.
Janis
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Hi Janis -
Thanks for your efforts. I know that transcriptions can sometimes be problematic e.g. census returns.
An internet search of old (1820) maps of Wooler I found places called Weetwood Hall and West Weetwood which were quite close together, and near Wooller, so I think I'll go with those names as being "correct".
Cheers
Alan
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I can see an s being seen as an e and visa versa. I do believe these transcripts were done by local folks though unlike whoever did the transcripts of the census ie Northd being read as North Dakota and all those hundreds of thousands with the last name "Do"
Janis
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Hi,
I'm trying to find the baptism of my 3xgr grandfather Walter Ballantyne born Northumberland circa 1800. Censuses show his birth in Elsdon and Kirkwhelpington. Most likely trace so far is on familysearch which shows a Walter Ballantyne born 1798 to William and Sarah baptised in Branton Presbyterian. Do you have access to the details?
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I am away from my home and transcripts so will not be able to look up until next week.
Janis
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Baptisms in the Branton Presbyterian register - Walter son of William and Sarah Ballantine was born at Titlington Mount, parish of Eglingham, 11 September 1798, baptised 27 September.
Other children of Walter and Sarah are:-
Margaret born at Eglingham 11 February 1786
David born at Eglingham Moor 9 January 1788
Betty born at Shawdon Woodhouse 3 September 1789
Jane also born at Shawdon Woodhouse 15 October 1791
Sarah born at Brandon Whitehouse 15 January 1796.
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2zpool and fullback
Could you clarify this: I am researching the John Crisp and Mary Elliot family. According to the 1841 and 51 census at Eglingham village, John Crisp would be born in abt 1782. The christenings for his children Mary, Ann, Hannah, Adam, etc match up with the census, but William b 1792? He must belong to another family. Also, can you confirm that John Crisp was a shepherd at Hareup? Perhaps he is a brother to James Crisp the shepherd.
Lynne
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It doesn't say anything about occupation:
William Crisp born 8 July 1792, baptised 7 Aug 1792 son of John and Mary of Linhouses
There is a George Crisp having children baptised in the early 1800's of Lilburn South Steads
Here is a fuller baptism of a child in 1810:
Mary Chrisp born 25 Jul 1810 baptised 9 Aug 1810 first daur of John Chrisp, shepard of Hareup, native of Wooler by his wife Mary Elliott, native of Greenside Hill, Ingram parish, the last child I have ot this couple was in 1833.
Then to add confusion: John Crisp born 25 Sep 1807, baptised --no date--First son of John Crisp, native of Wooler, by his wife Isabel Lee, native Eglingham parish (Isabel Crisp buried 2 May 1808, wife of John Crisp, Shepard, Hareup, age 31)
There two Crisp brothers--John and James--baptised in Warenford Presbyterian:
John Crisp born 5 Aug 1780, baptised 8 Aug 1780 son of Thomas Chrisp in Wandylaw, parish of Ellingham
James Crisp born 24 Aug 1782, baptised 26 Aug 1782 son of Thomas Chrisp in Wandylaw, parish of Ellingham
Janis
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Janis
Thank you for your input. It looks like John Crisp married Mary Elliot shortly after the death of his first wife Isabel Lee. Could I trouble you to check if Adam Crisp chr 1819 is recorded as John's 2nd son? That would prove the connection. The line I'm following comes through John's son William born about 1830. There is no christening record for a William, but he is listed in the 1841 census as being between Jane and Henry. There is a John chr Dec 1829, but he doesn't appear in the census. So I'm concluding that he is named John William, or William John.
As far as the christenings for James and John, sons of Thomas in Wandlaw, this is a possibility. The 1851 census shows John Crisp as being born at Chillingham, which isn't too far from Wandlaw and Warenford. I guess I'm stuck at this point. But I greatly appreciate your help.
Lynne
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Actually I have seen records where they counted the children oddly-like counting how many sons the father had but not always to that wife. The record for Adam says 3rd son born 31 Oct and baptised 8 Nov
Janis
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In 1851 census, Mary Crisp, wife of John, is down as born Greenside Hill. Same place as on the baptism of daughter Mary in 1810, so pretty nailed on that they are the same couple.
The baptism of Johns first son (date blank in the Branton register) was at Eglingham St. Maurice.
22 Nov 1807. John, son of John and Isabel Crisp. Shepherd, of Hareup.
The burial of Isabel Crisp, 1808, was also at Eglingham St.Maurice.
Alan.
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Thank you Janis and Alan. It is interesting that the first child was baptized at St Maurice, (Anglican?) not Branton Presbyterian...something for me to research!
Lynne
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Can anyone please help with the entry for Michael Whillans baptised Branton Northumberland 1 June 1797 son of John Whillans and Ann Batch
Regards
Robin
Scotland
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Brandon Presby
Michael Whillans born 19 May 1797, baptised 1 Jun 1797 son of John and Ann Whillans, of Reavely Green
most likely sibs:
James Weallans born 21 Apr 1799, baptised 9 May 1799 son of John and Ann Weallans of Reavely Greens.
Robert Wealands born 28 Apr 1801, baptised 17 May 1801 son of John and Anne Wealands of Reavely Green
There is another possible baptism for a sibling in Wooler Cheviot Street Presbyterian:
Elizabeth Wheales born 18 May 1795, baptised 24 May 1795 daur of John and Ann Wheles of Wooler parish
Janis
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Thanks Janis
Those extracts illustrate one of our problems .. think they add two more variations to the Whillans homonyms.
Does anyone know if Elsdon residents would worship at Branton?
Robin
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I dont know how current this string is as I am a newbie, but I am wondering if you could look up Michael Elliott christened 31 May 1807 at Brandon Presbyterian and tell me if I gives a middle name and any parent info. Thanks much.
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Michael Elliott, son of William Elliott & Anne his wife was born at Clinch in the parish of Ingram, 13 May 1807, baptised at Branton 31 May 1807.
Sorry no middle names or mother's maiden surname.
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Hi, I wondered if you could help with a Branton birth please - Mary Paterson (or Patterson), born 29 April 1809, Branton, Northumberland, parents probably Anthony and Jane. Is she in the register?
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Eleanor Patterson born 21 Sep baptised 29 Sep 1803 d/o Anthony and Jane Patterson of Beanley
Michael Patterson born and baptised 20 Jan 1806 s/o Anthony and Jane of Beanley
Mary Patterson born 29 Apr, baptised 15 May 1809 second daur of Anthony Patterson, Shepherd at Beanley, native of North Britain by his wife Jane Grecian, native of Whittingham.
Jane, third daur born 8 Nov, baptised 20 Nov 1810, the rest is the same as above.
Janis
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Thank you so much Janis! :)
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I have Branton Presby baptisms up to 1837
Janis
Hi, do you have anything for a Rev. John Clarke at Branton Presbyterian Church?
I have this from the 1662-1812 Register:
- 28 Aug 1786 Mary Ann,d. Revd. John and Elizabeth Clarke, Hedgley
- 3 March 1788 Elizabeth, d. Rev. John and Elizabeth Clarke, Hedgley,
privately.
Hedgley seems to have been just across the road , found this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%B026'54.0%22N+1%C2%B053'14.0%22W/@55.4439881,-1.9157733,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d55.448333!4d-1.887222?hl=en
Looking for any other children, specifically a son, John Clarke.
Thanks
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No more found from John Clark/e and Elizabeth . Lots of Clarks, many to the schoolmaster William Clark and wife correction IsabellaIsabella Thompson of Callay
Isabella not Elizabeth sorry
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Oh that's very interesting. Occam's razor strikes again, have been complicating things a bit too much. Do you have dates for the school master and Elizabeth Thompson? I think those Clarks hold the key to research around the Branton area; also Edlingham, Ellingham, Whittingham, Alnwick.
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Ann thompson bapt. 25 Oct 18 1823, daur of William Clark, Schoolmaster, Native of Norham Parish by his wife Isabella Thompson, native of Callaly Mill. Born 21 Sep.
Thomas Thompson Clark, baptised 20 Nov 1827 second son of William Clark, Schooolmaster at Whittingham, Native of Norham Parish, bhw Isabella Thompson Native of Callaly MIll, born 9 Nov
Elizabeth Maria Clark third daur [but noted that she is the 5th in the margin as #4 born 3 Jun 1821 baptised 16 May 1822 d/o William Clark, Schoolmaster at Whittingham native of Norham Par. BHW Isabel Thompson native of Callaly Mill. Born 21 Apr
Isabella Clark baptised 3 Jan 1821 same family partuculars. Born 21 Dec 1820
George Clark baptised 17 Apr 1817 First son, s/o William Clark, Schoolmaster at Whittingham, of Norham Par. BHW Isabel Thompson, Native of Callaly Mill, Born 1 Apr
Eleanor Clark baptised 8 Jun 1815 third daughter, rest was the same as others, born 8 Jun
Mary Clark baptised 30 May 1811, noted as first daughter of William Clark, Schoolmaster, same info as above born 16 May 1811
Hope it helps
Janis
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William Clark, Schoolmaster at Whittingham native of Norham Par.
Been a great help, thanks. I see now how these Clark's link back to the Norham area. Was having trouble understanding the link to the border areas such as Norham, Cornhill, Ethall, and Berwick. Going back, they must have been Scottish.
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If/whenever you have time, I can see a William Ritchie on Family Search, baptised at Branton Presbyterian 10 Jan 1827, parents Richard Young and Eleanor Ritchie.
Does the transcript have any further info?
Thanks
Boo
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Boo,
William, illegitimate son of Richard Young, shepherd at Titlington Mount, native of New Bewick by Eleanor Ritchie, single woman, native of Great Ryle. Born Nov 13th
Janis
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William, illegitimate son of Richard Young, shepherd at Titlington Mount, native of New Bewick by Eleanor Ritchie, single woman, native of Great Ryle. Born Nov 13th
Many thanks Janis, that's really helpful :-)
Boo