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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: swallowtail on Thursday 09 April 09 21:43 BST (UK)
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:)I am looking for any descendants of Peter Forbes who arrived in Australia on board Royal Dane in 29th April 1874 he died in 24 June 1887 in NSW and is buried in Rosewood cemetery.
I have a lot of information going back to 1730 of the Forbes and Stewarts families.
Please contact me.
Swallowtail
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Dear Swallowtail,
Is this the death you are talking about? Taken from NSW BDM
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
registration number:1004
Date: 1887
Name:FORBES PETER W W
Father:JOHN A
Mother: MARY
Place: SYDNEY
If so, there are several births listed to a Peter WW Forbes on the same site.
Cheers
Susie
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Hi Susie,
Yes that is correct, I have a copy of his death certificate, he is the eldest brother of my GGGrandfather Mackenzie Alexander Forbes, are you related to Peter?
I know there was a Valentine Forbes but the trail in Australia runs out for me there.
I hope you are,
Swallowtail :)
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Dear Swallowtail,
Sorry, I am not related........but going by the number of children listed to him, I am sure there will be relatives still around!
As he died in Sydney, he would have been buried in the Rookwood Cemetery and I have located his grave in the Independent Section
Presbyterian Section: 6A Grave Number: 0001965 Name: FORBES PETER WILLIAM D Date of Burial: 26 Jun 1887
There are Rootschatters who will take a photo of the grave if you put up a new post asking for "Photos at Rookwood" and give them this information.
I am not sure if Valentine is correct as he was born some years after Peter died (if this is the correct Peter)
Registration Number:881
Date:1893
Name: FORBES VALENTINE C
Father: PETER W M
Mother:CHRISTINA
Place: SYDNEY
If you go to the NSW BDM site http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
and select births with Forbes as the surname and Peter as the father's name, lots of children come up for Peter and Christina, but some of them are listed as being born after Peter dies.
If Valentine is related, his death record is
Registration Number:20429
Date:1957
Name: FORBES VALENTINE CAMERON
Father:PETER WILLIAM M
Mother:CHRISTINA
Place:NEWTOWN
Valentine also fought in WW1 and his service records are digitised. You can view them by going to http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
Use the Search now as a guest user option, the enter Valentine Forbes and his record will be displayed.
Hope this helps.........but I am confused by the dates for Valentine's birth well after Peter's death.
Cheers
Susie
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Hi Susie,
Happy Easter to you, Thank you for the information, I am sorry I am confusing you Valentine is the Grandson of Peter WD Forbes his father was Peter William Minshaw Forbes so the entry you have is correct in fact there were other siblings
Peter Donald born1879 died 1879
William Julian born 1880 died 1940
George T born 1884
Samuel W born 1886
Amelia 1882
Isabel 1890
Their mother being Christina Cameron
The Children of Peter WD and Amelia who were born in the UK
James Samuel d 1893
Hannah Elizabeth d 1851
Peter WM d1928
William Joseph
Mary Amelia
Hannah Rachel
There may have been more children born, but as you know there is no census for that time,
Thank you for the information on Valetine WW1 record.
Rather sad really Peter and Mackenzie where the only two to survive and they lived a world apart and from what I have learn were estranged.
So I will keep my fingers crossed that there is someone else looking for the Forbes Family.
Swallowtail
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Hi
Had a quick look at your family details posted above and hope you find the following few snippets of data useful.
I note a William Joseph Minshaw FORBES on the Queensland electoral rolls from 1903 to 1925. His occupation was butcher. Do you think he may be of yours? The name Minshaw is most unusual.
FORBES William Joseph Minshaw was buried in the Toowong Cemetery on the 19 Apr 1932 Aged 79 years
In the same grave is his wife Martha FORBES who died on 12 Nov 1906 aged 61 years.
Marriage Queensland
1875/C160
FORBES William Joseph Minshaw
BARRETT Martha
There are five births to this couple on
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
You mention that Christina CAMERON was the wife of Peter William Minshaw FORBES however this marriage reg shows his wife to be Sarah CAMERON and the birth indexes have her as Christina. Perhaps she was Sarah Christina.
1256/1877
FORBES Peter William M
CAMERON Sarah
District Sydney
James Samuel FORBES son of Peter WD and Amelia - you have a death of 1893 however there is this death in NSW
8242/1931
FORBES James S
Father Peter W D Mother Amelia
District Glebe
Another death
22338/1936
SCURR Mary Amelia
Father Peter William D Mother Amelia Reed
District Newtown
This marriage may be Hannah Rachel :-\
429/1878
CAVILL Francis Walter
FORBES Hannah R
District Sydney
Death of a child in 1800 and there is another in 1879 but I detail this one as it is the same year as the death of Ann R CAVILL possibly Hannah R.
Deaths
1837/1880
CAVILL Walter H
Father Francis W Mother Hannah R
District Sydney
1643/1880
CAVILL Ann R
Father Peter Died Surry Hills
District Sydney
and husband's 2nd marriage
699/1883
CAVILL Francis W
MORGAN Elizabeth Jane
District Sydney
Enough for you to sort through ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Thank you so much for information it will certainly help me build the tree in Australia.
Swallowtail 8)
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Do you wish me to search further?
Cheers
Cand
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Dear Swallowtail
I am a descendant of Perter William Downs Forbes via his son Peter William Minshaw Forbes 1850-1928
I have P W D Forbes was burried on 26 June 1887 in the Presbyterian section at Rookwood Cementry Sydney.
What I have is Peter William Down Forbes b1824 Surry England
father Alexander Forbes mother Mary Brown
He Married Amelia Reed Windsor 27 Sep 1846 Horton Church of England London
They had 5 children
James S Forbes 1848, Peter William Minshaw Forbes 1850, William J Forbes 1853, Mary Forbes 1855, Amelia Forbes 1859.
Peter William Minshaw Forbes married 22 Dec 1877 to Christina Cameron 1857-1930 St Andrews Cathedral church Sydney
They had 8 children
Peter Donald Forbes 1879-1925, William Julian Forbes 1880-1940, Amelia Christina Forbes 1882-1946 , George Telford Forbes 1884, Samuel W Forbes 1886, Isabel Forbes 1890, Roy Forbes 1891
Valentine Cameron Forbes 1893.
I am a descendant of Amelia Christina Forbes
I would be happy to have any information you are willing to share and will add more info if you wish.
Regards from Australia
I joined up to answer your question and I am not sure how all this works so I hope this is OK
BatUser
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Hi BatUser,
This is brilliant I have been trying to make contact with someone in Oz as I have so much wonderful information for you back to 1764 in Scotland, and I have always wondered what happen to the family in Australia as you know the cencus were destroyed. Iam a decendant of Mackenzie Alexander Forbes Peter William Downes Forbes younger brother, I can explain were the Downes and Minshaw came from, I have been working on the Family for the past eight years and trying to set a web page but it is very slow work. Please contact me on
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Regards Swallowtail
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Dear Swallowtail
I would love your wonderful information.
My mother was doing the family history with a friend and is now trying to get it together for my cousins as well as myself. It is all notes but in no order and not all written down and as she remembers so much it would be good if she did.
Some of what she told me is:-
Peter William Minshaw Forbs married Christina Cameron. She was deaf and dumb. She became a teacher for the deaf and dumb.
Peter William Minshaw Forbes was a gold & silversmith and worked for Hardy Brothers in Sydney
Peter William Minchaw Forbes
B 11 Oct 1850 Clerkenwell London England
Married 22 Dec 1877 in Sydney NSW Australia
D 21 May 1928 19 Herbert Street, Rockdale in Sydney NSW
Children
Peter Donald Forbes b 1879 Goulburn NSW
William Julian Forbes b 1880 Goulburn NSW d 1940
Amelia Christina Forbes b 21 Jan 1882 Goulburn NSW d 2 May 1946 Cessnock NSW
George Telford Forbes b 1884 Bathurst NSW
Samuel W Forbes b 1886 Bathurst NSW
Isabel Forbes b 1890 Sydney NSW
Roy Forbes b 1891 Sydney NSW
Valentine Cameron Forbes b 1893 Sydney NSW
I do not know what you would like from me but I am happy to share what I have.
Regards
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Hi
Peter Donald Forbes b 1879 Goulburn NSW
William Julian Forbes b 1880-1940 married Edith Guest
Amelia Christina Forbes b 21 Jan 1882 Goulburn NSW d1946 Cessnock NSW married Kenneth Hilton Guest (sister Edith married Amelia’s brother William Julian Forbes)
George Telford Forbes b 1884 Bathurst NSW married Hannah Jones
Samuel W Forbes b 1886 Bathurst NSW
Isabel Forbes b 1890 Sydney NSW married Neil Young. He was from Scotland , His father William Young visited from Tredimoch ? Scotland
Roy Forbes b 1891 married Bella Gibson
Valentine Cameron Forbes b 1893 married Florence Straybury, war bride from Scotland. They may have married in Scotland?
They were given a home coming family party and photo was taken about 15 Oct 1919 at home at Fowler Street Camperdown Sydney
I hope this helps
I am still very interested in what you have on the family in Scotland and how The Downs and Minshaw name become connected.
Regards
BatUser
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The National Archives has a digitised copy of Valentine's WW1 service record including an extract of his marriage certificate. Search by clicking on NameSearch.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
Judith
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Hi Judith
Thank you so much
I have had a look at the web site and found him.
I have other relos in WW1 so I can now look them all up
It is nice to be able to see the original records.
Regards
Bat User
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Hi BatUser,
I'M not sure if you recieved my last chat which included 2 attachments for you?
please can you confirm
Swallowtail
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Hi Swallowtail
Thank you for sending 2 attachments. Are the 2 attachments on this chat? I do not know where the 2 attachments are. I looked at help and I did not find anything on attachments. I thought we could not attach anything.
I will have another look but I am new to this so I am a bit slow on how it all works.
I will be away for a week leaving Friday Australian time so will have to try and work it out when I get back.
Any hints will be greatly appreciated.
Did you want anymore info from Me?
Regards
BatUser
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Hi BatUser,
Have sent PM
Swallowtail
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The headstone of Peter William Downes Forbes
The headstone is a nice looking sandstone.
On the top is an insignia of The Masons
Masons In Insignia
63 14.6.1879
IN LOVING MEMORY
MY DEAR HUSBAND
P.W.D. FORBES
DUST TO ITS NARROW HOUSE BENEATH
SOUL TO ITS PLACE ON HIGH
THEY THAT HAVE SEEN THY LOOK OF DEATH
NO MORE MAY FEAR TO DIE
AMELIA FORBES
66 20.10.1893
TO LIVE IN HEARTS WE LEAVE BEHIND
NOT TO DIE BUT GONE FOR A LONG SLEEP
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Vandals had pushed the headstone over. The caretaker said not to stand it up again because the next time they push it over they could break it. It was sad to see the damage the vandals had done to the graves and headstones. This is the oldest part of the cemetery close to the road & close to the Lidcome Hotel. After closing the larrikins go down & take pleasure in vandalising what they can.
These notes were made in 1970