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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: JeannieR on Friday 18 February 05 21:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi, can anyone help me with this one??
I don't know if there is an Irish Census, but I have a AUGUSTUS
ALEXANDER CHEETHAM, born 11/9/1885 at 21 Hardwicke Street, in Dublin.
His parents were RICHARD CHEETHAM and CAROLINE EMILY CHEETHAM nee CROUCH.......Richard was a photographer....
I can't find this family on the British census for 1891..so I wondered if they were still residing in Dublin.
We think Richard was British, but perhaps Caroline was from Dublins
fair city....Not much to go on I know....but there are some clever people out there!!!
Kind Regards
JeannieR
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Hi, There was a Victorian photographer named R A Cheetham in Woburn Sands. Also a firm called Levie & Cheetham in Liverpool - I have a cdv dated 1879. Ron www.victorianIMAGEcollection.com
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Hiya JeannieR,
A reply was sent to you in July by victorianIMAGEcollection. Was it helpful to you ???
Chris
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hi Chris and Ron........
First of all apologies , for not replying to July's post .....very remiss of me , but to be honest , I have not done too much research recently, following a eye op....I am just getting back into the swing of it, so to speak......
I am not sure about the R A Richards , Woburn Sands , but I feel certain that the Levie & Cheetham , Liverpool is my husbands great grandfather.........I eventually found him , on the 1901 .....his name was down as Cheetham Richards !!
Richard Cheetham was a Court Photographer , and had photographed most of the crowned heads of Europe , but he liked a bit of the hard stuff !! The family story goes that he was banished from court because of this ........
My grandfather in law , Augustus Alexander Richards , was a well known photographer in Halifax and Ludlow , as was my father in law , Leslie Alexander Richards . The family name was changed from Cheetham to Richards about 1910.......
I am just wondering if R A Cheetham , Woburn Sands , is Richard Alexander ?
Now I am back on track, I will really study the victorian IMAGEcollection
Thank you both once again.
Jeannie
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R A in Woburn Sands was a Robert Cheetham. He had moved to Devon by 1933.
Good Luck.
Paul
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Hello Jeannie,
I do believe that your husband and I are related and I also think I have met Uncle Leslie... My gran was a Cheetham (Richards) daughter of Richard Cheetham. And it is correct that he was a photographer. I have a photo in my possession from Don Levie & Cheetham in Bold Street Liverpool. I also have a lot of photos taken at her 50th wedding anniversary. On this occasion there were a lot of her brothers present. I would love to hear from you. I think I actually met Uncle Leslie. Strange.
Hoping to hear from you very soon.
dottyc
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Dottyc again,
I also visited someone living in Ludlow when i was a little girl. I think we called her Auntie Minnie. Does this mean anything to you?
Regards, dotty c.
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Hello Dotty......
How wonderful to hear from you !!
The photograph on my profile, is your great grandmother Caroline....
I am now in touch with a lot of family members, including the last remaining grandchild of Richard and Caroline. Doreen is now 87.
If I am correct , are you a descendent of Eveline Maud (Auntie Cissie ) and John Edwin Winterson ?
Children were Richard Chastel Winterson 1908-1988 / George Edwin Winterson 1904-1967 / Dorothy Maud Winterson 1910.....
Jim , my husband , was brought up in Ludlow, His parents were Leslie , also a photographer, and Marjorie, Known as Midge in the family , because she was only 4'10" when she stood at her tallest !!
Jim is now 76....
I must go and tell him you have contacted me...he will be lost for words , and that is VERY unusual.
Look forward to hearing from you.
I will send you my email address, but I can't do that , until you have made three posts .
Jeannie
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Dotty.....
Are You Richards daughter, sister Irene and Diana ?
Very excited...
JeannieR (Richards)
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hello again,
yes, i am the sister of irene and diana. i have met doreen many times also. i think the last time i heard of her she was living in hoole. is this still the case. my mother, muriel, wife of richard chastel, died only about 3 years ago at 97. she would have been so thrilled by all this it makes me want to cry...
my sister rene died also one year after my mum, and diana, the other sister cut herself off from both rene and myself when muriel became ill. very sad and we dont really know why. i think u must know of my 2 cousins. george and helens daughters. i think my uncle george came to ludlow for lessons in photography. he had two girls valerie and judi.
i am not quite sure to which part of the family you belong. i only really knew auntie betty, and auntie doddy and i met quite a few brothers at the 50th wedding anniversary of john edwin and "sissie" (my granny).
by the way in live in geneva, switzerland but come very often to the uk. both london and southport.
cant wait for your news,
much love dotsxxxx
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hello again,
this must be a third or a fourth posting. i see my cousin judi from time to time. she lives in marple and runs the Winterson shop there.
speak later
dotsxxx
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Hi Again....
Still stunned !
I will phone Doreen tomorrow. We are seeing her on the 18th for lunch. she now lives just outside Morecambe. Next month , we are meeting up with Margaret , who is Auntie Betty's grandaughter. She lives in Normandy.....I will pass on all this news to her........
I am also in touch with a grandaughter of Uncle Dickie, he was also a photographer....
Jim's grandfather, Augustus Alexander Cheetham/Richards, was the brother of your Granny . When we are in touch by email....I will send a copy of the family tree , so you know where we fit in .
I am just going to change my profile picture, and put one up of your Granny , Great Grandmother, and Great Great Grandmother, taken in 1901....
Love
Jeannie
Will send my email in a PM
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Hello JeannieR
Received an email from cousin Dorothy in Geneva with this link so decided to add to the story. My father George Edwin became a photographer and spent time with his cousin Leslie in Ludlow. I remember Leslie and Marjorie well as we visited as a family and also a friend and myself visited them in Ludlow in the late 60's. That was the last time I remember seeing them both. They lived in a bungalow if I remember correctly and had a shop not far from the castle. I wonder if your father Jim remembers my father George? I am sure Doreen will remember my sister Val.
I never realised that there was so many family members out there!
Best wishes
Judi
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Hello Judi......
This is amazing !
How lovely to hear from you. I started doing Jim's side of the tree just over two years ago, and since then , I am in touch with quite a few members of the family. Jim said he was the only one, of only ones, so had no cousins. He quite forgot , that his grand father was one of 10 .
Only recently, I was contacted, again through Rootschat, by a grandson of Richard Morris Cheetham (Uncle Dickie ) Richard was your grandmothers elder brother, born in Liverpool 1876.
I am also in touch with Aunty Betty's grandaughter, Margaret , daughter of Theo, who was Doreens brother. We are seeing Doreen on the 18th. Margaret lives in Normandy, but will be in England the week commencing October 4th. I am just going to email her with all this news, she will be thrilled. She has quite a lot of photographs, taken at your grandparents Golden Wedding, by your father.
I am also in touch with descendents of Great Grandmother Cheetham, nee Crouch. Through her brother, William Morris Crouch.
I am going to email Dorothy, with the family tree, perhaps she will pass it on to you.
Look forward to seeing you at some point
Best Wishes
Jeannie
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Hello Judi and Jeannie,
Just to let you know that I read your messages. This is getting more and more exciting. Is Val on email cos I am sure she would be interested also?
I would like to know if Leo is still alive. I met him many times and he called round to visit my parents and my Auntie Dorothy from time to time. I dont think I ever met his daughter Margaret but sort of remember my parents talking of her. I certainly do not remember her being at Sissie's wedding anniversary. Was there a Gus also?
Am in London at the moment. Just arrived.
Ttfn dotsxxx
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Dotty and Judi.....
Just to let you know, that I have contacted Margaret, and she has already emailed Dotty.
Margarets father, Theo died some years ago, but her mum Edna, was 90 last year
Jim's grandfather , was Augustus Alexander Cheetham, known as Gus . He was also a photographer at Mill Street, Ludlow. He died in 1946
I have just about crossed the T's and dotted the I's on the family tree, I intend to forward it to you, as a PDF . Is that OK ? Also, should I wait until you are home, Or can you access your emails, whilst you are away ?
Do you have the photograph of Great Grandfather Cheetham, that I have now put as my profile picture....
Love Jean and Jim
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It's lovely when relatives find each other through Rootschat but please remember that you aren't allowed to post details of living people.
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hello jean,
i can certainly access my email whilst in london and cannot wait for the family tree as i am getting quite confused and it's stopping me sleeping!!!!! can u tell me though who betty was married to? thanks for all the info.
love dotsxxx
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Dotty.......
Hope you sleep well.....
Aunty Betty, real name Emily Ursula Cheetham, born in Dublin was married to John Jackson. They were Theo and Doreen's parents......
I will make a PDF of the tree, and you will definitley have it tomorrow. I have had to upload it to some more upto date software , which will allow me to make said PDF, and email it.....
Hope you have good weather, It is absolutely raining cats and dogs in Harrogate at the moment.
Regards
Jeannie
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Good morning Jeannie and Dorothy
Have looked at family tree - very interesting - what a lot of "relations"!
What a shame we all lost touch, especially when I see Marjorgie only died a few year ago. All the oldies would have loved this.
I notice Jeannie that your name was Harrison. Was that your maiden name? My mother's name was Harrison - now where might that lead!
Best wishes
Judi
p.s. I was born in 1948 in Hyde Cheshire not 1944 in Liverpool.
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Exchanging recent family details best done by PM rather than on this thread.
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agshadowey
We have now established contact through email.
Thank You for your concern re personal details, I do understand, but I think we all got swept away with the excitement !!
Please delete anything that you feel is inappropriate
Jeannie
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So sorry if I did anything I should n't have done.
Dottyc
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Hello Morris Richards was my great grandfather. My mum has info on his wife and children xx
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I think we are related.. I am interested in the research you have done so far.
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I don't know if there is an Irish Census, but I have a AUGUSTUS
ALEXANDER CHEETHAM, born 11/9/1885 at 21 Hardwicke Street, in Dublin.
His parents were RICHARD CHEETHAM and CAROLINE EMILY CHEETHAM nee CROUCH.......Richard was a photographer....
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dont know if you already have this... but there's a baptism of a sibling to Augustus in Dublin in 1896 on IrishGenealogy :
Baptism of Richard Maurice Cheetham - 20 June 1896 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c9c23c0028064)
Address : Liverpool, England
Parents : Richard Cheetham & Carolina Crouch
Parish : Rathmines RC, Dublin South
Shane
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Hello there Jeanie, tis Dots here. I think that Richard Cheetham and his wife were both English by the way. My gran Emily always used to tell me that they were English. She was a bit of a snob though so who knows.
How are you?
Love Dotsxxx
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Hello Shimoo.
How Exciting !
I have sent you a personal message.
Dotty...
We are both well, thank you. Have just returned from our sojourn in Scotland.
Yes , Richard and Caroline were both English. Richard was born in Cheshire and Great Grandmother in Berkshire....From what I know, the whole family were snobs ! But they did mix with Royalty, and High born people..great Grand Pa was photographer to the Royalty of Europe...did I send you his letter head ?
He was also a drinker, and the story go's, that he was banned from court, and that is why the family went to Ireland.....
Much love
Jean
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ShaneW
Thank you so much for that.....
As you can see, I have come a very long way in my research since 2005 !
Augustus Alexander Cheetham, was my husbands Grand Father.
Jim thought he had no family, as he was the only child, of only children. How wrong was he.
Since I started my research, Our family has grown considerably. They are all over the world.
JeannieR
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New members of Rootschat require three posts before they have full access to the PM system - so shimoo may need to post again
Shane
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Thank You Shane......
I just got so excited !
Shirley....Please post something else. Then I can send you a personal message, with my Email address
JeannieR
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Hi, can anyone help me with this one??
I don't know if there is an Irish Census, but I have a AUGUSTUS
ALEXANDER CHEETHAM, born 11/9/1885 at 21 Hardwicke Street, in Dublin.
His parents were RICHARD CHEETHAM and CAROLINE EMILY CHEETHAM nee CROUCH.......Richard was a photographer....
I can't find this family on the British census for 1891..so I wondered if they were still residing in Dublin.
We think Richard was British, but perhaps Caroline was from Dublins
fair city....Not much to go on I know....but there are some clever people out there!!!
Kind Regards
JeannieR
Jeannie
Whilst checking for Roland/Ronald I've found details of the change of name by Deed poll in 1934 for several of the family.
Augutus Alexander RICHARDS formerly Cheetham changed his name to Richards on 19/4/193 and gives a Halifax address. He was a photographer.
Also listed on the same page was Leslie Alexander RICHARDS formerly Cheetham, same date but different address, also a photographer. This I presume is the Uncle Leslie you refer to and is Horace's brother.
On another file 3 Richards name changes are listed:
Oswald Victor RICHARDS formerly Cheetham
Horace Victor RICHARDS formerly Cheetham
Sydney Theodore RICHARDS formerly Cheetham
All give the same Wakefield address. The date change is later than the other 2, 10 Oct 1934. Oswald is listed as an analyst, but both Horace and Sydney are listed as photographers. Can supply the actual files if you like
Nicola
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Also have been emailed independently by someone else who seems to be a relative. You don't seem to have mentioned his name yet, so I can introduce you if you like. He is away for a couple of weeks, but I can email you/him when he gets back
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good morning Jeanie,
Does this mean you have found yet another branch of the family still living in Ireland? And how did you get on with your research down near Canterbury. And does this mean that Nicola is also a relative? More questions I'm afraid. My head is still filled with all this fascinating family. And I still question my Gran who never mentioned it all.
DottyC
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good morning Jeanie,
Does this mean you have found yet another branch of the family still living in Ireland? And how did you get on with your research down near Canterbury. And does this mean that Nicola is also a relative? More questions I'm afraid. My head is still filled with all this fascinating family. And I still question my Gran who never mentioned it all.
DottyC
No Dotty I'm not a relative, well perhaps in spirit maybe. Sgt Ronald Richards (formerly Cheetham I think) was the rear gunner on my uncle's plane and was shot down on a raid over Hamburg in 1942 with all crew MIA/KIA. I've been researching what happened to the plane and tracing the families of all the crew involved. I had found all the crew but Sgt Richards, who was proving very elusive. That was until earlier this week when similtaneously I had an email from someone who I believe is also related to you all and also I found Jeannie's post about Roland here on Rootschat.
Finally I had some details on which to go on and now I think I've finally managed to trace his family and its proving to be a very large family :-)
If you would like to see my research about what happened to Sgt Richards (Roland or Ronald - think he lied about some details) I have a link on a war forum called ww2talk.com http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/26721-james-e-linehan-mia-1942-wellington-x3757.html
Any by the way I do have Irish roots, but was born In England and live in London :-)
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Dear Nicola,
I never sent you the phot of Roland but I think Jeannie must have sent you one. Hope your research all went well.
Dotty C
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Dotty, through Jean I was able to get an address for Roland's nephew Jeremy. I wrote him a letter, which took about 3 weeks to get to him as some of the address details were slightly wrong. He was shocked but over joyed to hear all my news about Roland. He also sent me several pictures of him. I was able to invite Jeremy to the Unveiling of the Bomber Command Memorial in Green Park a year ago today. I was there with my cousins, brother and boyfriend. We met up with Jeremy and his wife and daughter. They were so happy to meet up and thanked me profusely for finding Roland. We had tea together at the hotel opposite Green Park. So finally, after 70 years, Jeremy finally knew what happened to Roland :-)
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Well what a wonderful story. And how very nice of you to do this for Jeremy. I have never heard of Jeremy either. Where does he live?
It must have been a very special day for you all. When you say Green Park, do you mean Green Park London?
My Gran, Roland's brother would have been thrilled to hear all this. Thank you so much. I must say I am feeling very nostalgic at the moment.
Love Dotty
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Oups, I meant my Gran, Roland's sister!!!! She was Emily Maud called Sissie.
xxx
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Dotty......
You got that wrong . Roland was your gran's nephew.
His father was Horace Victor Cheetham, your gran's brother.
Hope you are both well ? I am afraid this past year has not been a good one for me, but I think I am getting there. Jim is in good health, and will be 80 in January.
Just getting ready to go to York , to a Family History Fair.
Much Love
Jean and Jim
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Lovely to hear from you. I was just about to write to you personally. And oups, yes I missed out a generation. I'm feeling very nostalgic at the moment and I think it is because I have just sold my place in Birkdale and hence feel my past has just gone. I think I will have to go and visit and do all the old places. I always used to go past Twembrook (Grans's house).
I'm sorry to hear that you have been not too well. Let me know by my email how you are. I will be writing to you too.
Enjoy New York. I love it.
And did you ever get back to down south to check out the Cheethams graves.
Thinking of you.
dotty xxxxx
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Hello Shirley,
Yes I come to London often. How did you get on with your family research? Do you have more details for me too.
When Ii come up to Preston I will contact you if that is ok with you. No plans for the moment though.
Best dottyC
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http://www.lan-opc.org.uk
Augustus Alexander Cheetham baptism 17.11.1903 st Mary's Grassendale lived at 12 St Mary Terrace
was Augustus a twin only a Horace Victor same parents was baptism that day.
Then a Emily Ursula Cheetham baptism 14.11.1904
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Hello, thank you. This is certainly my family tree. But who are you?
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I am Irish and I was born in Ballyshannon county donegal and sometime I like helping other people find relatives it keeps my old grey cells going. I love finding things.
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Well thank you very much… this has set off my nostalgia once again. I so wish I have listened more to my Gran. And asked her for more details. Oh well!
Thanks dotty