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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Trees on Wednesday 08 April 09 11:23 BST (UK)
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I have just found that an ancestor went to Oxford ,Canterbury he was a blacksmith the last information I have is from the 1871 census in Oxfordshire UK then his daughters marry in NZ in 1876, 1882 & 1885
1. How can I find when he arrived in NZ
2. Are there any records on line that will help me locate him in NZ are there for example any censuses available or trade directories?
3. When did oxford get its name were the majority of inhabitants from Oxfordshire? ere they from a particular area of oxfordshire? I would like to know why my James and Ann ALLEN went there.
4 Their son was also a blacksmith and he too disappears from the censuses after 1881 how can I find out if he followed his father?
Any help would be very welcome
Trees
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Well I'll take part 3
Canterbury as a whole was a Wakefieldian planned settlement. The original idea was that the main settlement of Christchurch would have a satellite university town. Naturally given the amount former Oxford students in the committee they chose the name Oxford. It was supposed to be far enough away to seclude its imates from the bright lights of Chch but close enough to build a tram link. It never worked out, Oxford became and remained a small rural service town for western North Canterbury. No mass migrations of Oxfordshire folk I'm afraid.
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Many thanks that is most interesting how big was it? My contact said James was a blacksmith in oxford village.
trees
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Hi Trees :)
Hopefully we can help you find information for your ALLEN family.
New Zealand does not have census records, but the area of Canterbury, is very well catered for as far as other helpful records are concerned. Yes, there are trade directories / electoral rolls etc. (not available though, online). The 1881, and 1893 (which includes women for the first time), electoral rolls, are available on CD, so someone on this board should be able to help with a look-up of those.
As far as finding the arrival in NZ of your family goes, it would be helpful if you could supply the names of the
daughters ... and the son who you think might also have come here.
* Did James and Ann ALLEN have additional christian names ?
* Have you got the birth years for members of this ALLEN family ?
Lu
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--- Archives New Zealand (Christchurch office) have a Probate file for > >
ALLEN - James - East Oxford, Blacksmith - 1893
[This could quite possibly be "your man" ... but there are many similarly named persons, so it may pay to wait until a little more information comes to hand.]
Lu
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Hi again
Are these your ALLEN's ??
From the passenger list of the "Crusader" - departed Plymouth 25 September 1874 - arrived Lyttelton, 31 December 1874. (Lyttelton was/ is, the port servicing the Canterbury / Christchurch area).
ALLEN - James (44) - Oxfordshire - Shoeing Smith
ALLEN - Ann (43)
Children in this family group - Joseph, Gertrude, Elizabeth and David.
In the single women's accommodation, these three girls ex Oxfordshire - surname ALLEN ... Sarah (20), Laura (16) and Jane (13). ???
Link to passenger list >>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Crusader74.htm
Lu
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many thanks lucy2 this is what I can give you
James Allen b 1829 Middle Barton m to Ann nee CANNING b 1831 Duns Tew last found 1871 Blacksmith
Children who were on 1871 census then also disapear
1.Sarah Eliza b 1854 I think I have found her m to Robert Fisher 11 Apr 1876 from NZ BDM was this Oxford I wonder
2 Ellen Laura b 1858 found m Frederick Adolphus WATERMAN 17 jul 1882 I have found a piece about him http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc03Cycl-t1-body1-d4-d17-d1.html it mentions his wife Laura Ellen (reversed from her bapt.) 2nd daur of the late James ALLEN ( she was in fact the third dau one having died in infancy before they went to NZ.
3 Jane mary 1860
4 Joseph b 1864 Middle Barton
5 Gertrude Ann b 1866 Duns tewseveral possible m in the BDM
6 Susan Elizabeth b 1869 Duns tew
7 David b 1871 Duns tew
The oldest son James b 1852 m to Laura Elizabeth nee EBBORN was in Steeple Barton 1881 a blacksmith. Although they had m in 1873 they had no children. Nothing can be found in the UK after 1881 for them.
Once again many thanks for your interest.
I saw a death in NZ BDM for a James 1893 age 62 and for an Ann 1902 age75 and wonder if these are the ones
trees
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Red post YES thats them HOORAY and thank you very much
Trees
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Hi Trees
Oooh ! You did very well finding that article on Mr. WATERMAN ... and a photo to boot ! What a handsome fella he was. ;)
I was amused that, that article mentioned the "1901 census"
... and I should have pointed out earlier of course, that all the New Zealand census records, were in fact destroyed.
Yes, possibly they are the deaths ... but if you hold tight, someone here, may be able to find burial records (to confirm they are the correct James and Ann).
Will see if a shipping record can be found for James (the younger) and his wife. This James also might appear on the 1893 electoral roll ?
Lu
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I think the death for Ann ALLEN 18 Aug 1908 age 77 (from BDM NZ) looks a better one for Ann nee CANNING she was bapt Duns tew 4 Sep 1831
I am most impressed with all your help many many thanks
trees
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Oxford Cemetery MIs
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Joseph ALLEN 1864-1945, and his wife Alice Lillian 1883-1961. And their dau Audrey Gladys ALLEN 1910-1965
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Frederick Adolphus WATERMAN d 15 Oct 1905 a 56, and his wife Laura d 28 Sept 1934 a 76, and their youngest son Archie, killed in France 21 Oct 1917 a 24
James and Ann not buried at Oxford
Ian C
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Many thanks Ian,
I now know that Frederick Adolphus and laura married in the baptist chapel just 6 months before James ALLEN died. Does anyone know if there is a Baptist burial ground in or near Oxford?
Trees
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Hi Trees
Headstone transcription from the Oxford Cemetery
In Loving Memory of Joseph ALLEN 1864-945. Also his loved wife Alice Lilian 1883-1961. Also their loving daughter Audrey Gladys ALLEN 1910- 1965.
Other information
Alice Lilian ALLEN nee HENDERSON age 81. Area 2 Row 007 Plot 018.
Audrey Lilian d 1965 age 65. A 2, R 007, Plt 19A
Alice Lilian d 1961 age 78. A 2, R 007, Plt 19.
Also h/s
Farewell. ILMO Frederick Adolphus BHO Laura WATERMAN who departed this life 15 October 1905 aged 56 years. "Not hushed the pleasent song that used to greet our ear, but mid angle throng, sounding more Sweet and clear." Also Laura BWO above died 28 September 1934 aged 76. " Peace perfect peace." Also Archie, youngest son of above, killed in France 21 October 1917 aged 24 years. Fondly remembered.
Other information
Laura WATERMAN nee ALLEN. A4, R 005, Plt 01.
Also found
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ILMO Eunice DBW of Horace Walter WATERMAN at rest 3 December 1968 aged 83 years. Also Horace Walter DBH of above at rest 9 February 1970 aged 85 years.
From the Oxford Baptist Burial Register
Horace Rtd Farmer
Place of birth Oxford
DD 9 Feb 1970
BD 11 Feb 1970
Baptist
NoK Rollins WATERMAN (son)
Spouse Eunice WALTER nee MARKHAM
Parents Frederick & Lora WATERMAN nee ALLEN
Eunice
Born Sefton (North Canterbury NZ)
Baptist
Spouse Horace Walter WATERMAN
Parents
Alfred & Clontina MARKHAM nee WEEBER.
Hope this is a help.
Regards Wayne
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Wayne this is great I can't thank you enough. I just wonder where James and Ann ALLEN, Laura's parents were buried It looks like Frederick Adolphus had been brought up in the Baptist faith I know James and Ann had all their children Baptised Anglican possibly because the family smithy wasconveniently opposite the Church in Steeple Barton.
So another piece has been put into this jig saw many many thanks
Trees
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Now this is interesting Yesterday a fellow member sent me a report from the Wanganui Chronicle of Jan 11 1919 giving the results of Police examinations.
Among those qualifying for Senior Sergeant was:
No 801 Sergt. Frederick Adolphus WATERMAN, Ponsonby
Surely this must be one of Frederick and Ellen Laura's sons
I wonder can any one find anything more about him in NZ please
Trees
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Update I have now found that FA snr married an Elizabeth Elliott in Reigate in 1872 and had a son with the same name in 1873
Can any one find them arriving in New Zealand ?
I wonder where and when Elizabeth died I can't see a death in England and there are no Fredrick Adolphus Waterman (either 1873 or 1849)on the 1881 censuses
I know he married Laura Allen 1882 in Christchurch so he must have gone between 1873 and 1882.
How can I find out about the son's police career in New Zealand?
Trees
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I think I have found the death of Elizabeth in 1873 in NZ so that closes the period of their emigration to 1876-1876
Also the death of Frederick Adolphus jnr in 1840 again in NZ
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Hi Trees,
I'm pleased you've managed to track your family down.
Regarding the service record of Sergt. Frederick Adolphus WATERMAN, the resource you probably want is Police Staff Register with Nominal Index. Book 1: 1859-1927 (held on Microfilm 3348) held at the Wellington office of Archives New Zealand.
However, due to privacy concerns this film is not available to view and therefore does not appear on the Archives NZ search portal Archway. You will need to write to the Commissioner of Police requesting permission to view the file. The address is;
The New Zealand Police Headquarters
P O Box 3017
Wellington
New Zealand
Once you have written permission you can contact Archives NZ Wellington to arrange a viewing. if you've not in NZ someone here might agree to view it on your behalf and you will need to arrange this in advance with Archives NZ (not hard, don't worry).
I am going to move this topic back to the main NZ Board in case others can offer advice.
Spades
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Many thanks Spades that sounds a good idea will write to the address you give
T ;Drees
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Yesterday a wonderful Chatter sent me some great photographs of family graves in Oxford today we hear of another Earth quake I pray all our friends in New zealand are safe and well and for all in that beautiful country
Trees