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Title: where do I go from here
Post by: samatk on Tuesday 07 April 09 21:22 BST (UK)

I now have the marriage certificate of Patrick Freeman of "full age"  of 8 St Catherine's Road Notting Hill (father John Freeman labourer) to Mary Ann Dorey on 1st Oct 1881 at St Francis of Assisi RC Church, Kensington.
I have no firm birth date for Patrick but it seems to vary from 1840 +15 years and he was supposedly from Ireland.
I have tried the various Censuses available for both Patrick and John but haven't found anything concrete...
Elderly family relatives have no idea if Patrick had siblings or the name of his mother...
So how do I trace further back along Patrick's line?

Thanks

Sam ???

Title: Re: where do I go from here
Post by: Isobelruss on Tuesday 07 April 09 22:31 BST (UK)

1891
I know youve probably had this but it may help us

Patrick Freeman 36 gen lab b Sligo Ireland
Mary Ann 29 wife b Kilburn London
John 9 son b Notting Hill
Dan 7 son b ditto
Patrick 1 son b Kilburn
1 Pembroke Place Willesden Middex



RG12 1047 fol 43 p 10

Title: Re: where do I go from here
Post by: Foz on Wednesday 08 April 09 12:19 BST (UK)

Hi Samatk,

I've been having a look through and found these.  I can't be sure if they are the correct ones though!

    1881 census  at 84, Southam Street, Kensington.
    Patrick Freeman     aged 40. bc. 1841 Ireland.   Labourer
    Mary Ann   "  (wife)   "    24                    "   *  
      (Dorey)
    ------------

    1871 census  at  3, Florence Terrace, Kensington
    James Dorey    aged 40.    b. Ireland.     Plasteres labourer
    Mary    " (wife)  "    38?        "
    Eliza     " (dau)   "    17      b. America.   Laundry Girl
    John    " (son)  "     14         "                Plasterer
    Mary    " (dau)  "     12         "                Scholar     *
    Ellen     "    "      "      9       b. Kensington.    "   

     ------------
         
It's very difficult to trace ancestors back in Ireland.  Apparently most of the records have been lost or burned.    Lots of us are stuck on our Irish rellies!
               

Title: Re: where do I go from here
Post by: samatk on Wednesday 08 April 09 21:16 BST (UK)

thanks for that folks...I've found several Patricks inc those mentioned...what I can't find is whether he was born here or in Ireland (supposed to be Ireland) but I've yet to find a John Freeman (Patrick's dad) in England listed in the censuses with a Patrick in the family EXCEPT a family Up North in Durham!  Now, apparently, so granny tells me, one of her grandparent Freemans was from the North and one from the South and we always assumed this was Ireland...but what if it wasn't??? ARGH!!!   :-\

I've now checked up on the church where Patrick married...it's CofE.  But the Freemans were supposed to be RC! My grandmother assures me that she and her siblings were brought up as RC (all lapsed!) because her mother Nellie Wells nee Freeman was a RC but her dad wasn't and her mum had to bring the kids up as RC or be expelled from the church.  Yet we have Nellie's father getting married in what is a CofE church...

My granny has always said that the Freeman side of the family were mad and I'm beginning to think she's right! >:(

Title: Re: where do I go from here
Post by: samatk on Wednesday 08 April 09 21:31 BST (UK)

hmmm....Google has now thrown up another Francis Of Assisi church which is in Notting Hill which is where the freemans lived...hmmm...and that one IS RC...

Hmmmm....is Notting Hill in Kensington???  I really don't know London at all! ???

Title: Re: where do I go from here
Post by: Dh0458 on Monday 27 June 16 15:15 BST (UK)

st francis of asissi . pottery lane , is kensington yes ....