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Patrick Doyle was executed 14 3 1921 his wife was louisa (nee ?)
he had 2 girls and his wife gave birth to twins one died before his death .
four kids names and D O Bs ?
louisa married Albert brock 1928 , is this correct ?
did kids become brocks or stay doyle ?
any idea what happened to albert brock ?
they all lived in dublin .
any other info would be great , researching dublin brock family
thanks very much , obbie .
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there's a couple of snippets about Patrick Doyle in the Irish Times digitial achive. Not much but gives his age as 28; address 1 St Mary's Place, Dublin.
Executed by hanging after the Drumcondra Ambush 21/1/1921 in Clonturk Park (where my wife's Pender grandparents lived).
http://www.irishtimes.com/150
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Hi Obbie, are you still looking for this information? My Great Grandfather was Sean Doyle (brother of Patrick) and I have some scraps of info relating to your query. Let me know!
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HI yes i would be very int id love to know whatever you have .
his wife married into the brock family im esp int to find info on his daughters
whos familys might be able to tell me more about albert .
they lived in clonliffe gds drumcondra around the corner from my grandad on clonliffe rd .
if you dont want to post ill pm you my email address
thanks rob
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Hi Rob, I've just recently started looking into the history of Sean and Patrick Doyle and found out that a cousin of mine did a school project for her leaving cert on this last year (she's a lot younger than me!). Anyway, as part of her research she got various documents related to the two brothers from several sources (eg. Dept of Defense, Allen library, Pensions Dept. etc.) I've gotten hold of copies of some of it. While I don't have all the actual documents relating to the information you're looking for, the Dept of Defense supplied a summary/cover letter detailing documents/correspondence in relation to Patrick Doyle that they have (mostly to do with requests for medals, widows pensions, education grants for kids), which allows me to piece together some of the info you're looking for, which I will list below. Some other info can be found in a book by Tim Carey "Hanged for Ireland - The forgotten Ten" published by Blackwater press (ISBN 9781841315478);
1. Louisa married Pat Doyle in 1916. Her maiden name was Herbert. She was from Glasgow (from book).
2. First child born 1917. Chistened Catherine Constance (after Constance de Markievicz) but was called Kathleen. (from book).
3. Second child born 1919 (Patrick). Died of pneumonia 1920. (from book).
4. Feb 27 1921. Twin girls born (Eilish and Louisa Patricia). Louisa Patricia died 12 March 1921 in her mothers arms on Berkely Road while returning from Mountjoy prison following first/last visit to Pat before execution (she was buried in Kilbarrack on the morning of Pat's execution). (from book - except Ailish is not named........that came from my mother).
5. Louis remarried in Oct 1928 (Albert Brock) (from Dept of Defense cover letter).
6. There's also a reference in the DoD summary of a letter from Kathleen Doyle-Bolger , dated 13th of July, making a request for an army pension (which seems to answer your question about whether the children changed their name to Brock - looks like they didn't).
7. My mother thinks that Louisa and Albert Brock did not have children but think that they may have adopted a child called Betty?
8. I've uploaded (I hope) a photo from the book of Louisa and Kathleen (and baby Eilish). If it doesn't work and you'd like the photo I can email it to you.
That's all I have - don't know what became of Albert Brock but Kathleen Doyle-Bolger died sometime in the early eighties as far as I know. If there's any specific questions you have, let me know and I'll see what I can find out - I've been driving my mother round the bend with random questions lately and I've figured out the more specific I can be, the better.
Hope this is of some help!
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thanks for all the info ive PM my email address to you
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Hi, A John Doyle was in cell31. Section A when placed in Kilmainham, Some months later he was moved to cell19 Section B. West Wing. Personnal reasons. On Dec the 6th He wrote " With best wishes and anticipations for a Merry Christmas"
I believe he was a thinker. Had lots of thoughts. It will be interesting to see if anyone can work this one out. This is John Doyle between the end of July and first week in Aug'21.
" The cause at the centre is pure -
the wise plan
Is to keep the circumference pure -
if you can".
Any ideas, let us know.
Private 1st class.
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Hi, this must be a different John Doyle to Patrick Doyles brother as he, John (known as Sean), was killed in the Custom House raid May '21. There seems to be a few different John and Patrick Doyles involved in the 1916 - 21 period.
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Hi Pcdl, Thanks for the reply. Any ideas what h is referring to in that quote of his. Private 1st class.
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I think the meaning of this is fairly clear:
" The cause at the centre is pure -
the wise plan
Is to keep the circumference pure -
if you can".
I think he is saying that an idea or a movement is still pure and clear close to its point of origin but as it spreads out it becomes compromised and altered. If you can keep the circumference (the points away from the centre) as pure as the centre then that is a good aim. I would suspect he had probably read Yeats's theories of history. Yeats had this elaborate and quite strange idea that history runs in cycles of roughly two thousand years. The Trojan War was the point of origin of one of these cycles and the whole of Roman and Greek civilization was an echo of that event, spreading outwards like ripples (he called them gyres) and getting weaker and weaker, but then there was a new point of origin, that of Jesus, which has governed the last two thousand years. We are due for another - hence the line "and what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born." As history, it's completely wacky, but at least it gave the world some of Yeats's greatest poetry, and you don't really need to know all that to appreciate his poems! :)
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Hi Seanod.Many thanks, Have you any idea what this fellow done for a living. I remember see a programe on prisons and the thought behind them and how they have evolved. The high windows so the inmates would have to look up toward their maker. This lad was in deep thinking while in there. Do we have any idea what he done in later years. Private 1st class
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Found this today in my files
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he has a limited Wikipedia page :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Doyle_(Irish_Republican)
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Sorry for the delay, folks. I have been occupied with other things. There is a lot of really useful stuff here so thanks and keep it coming. I had a look in my files for the other John Doyle, (ie. not the Seán/John Doyle killed in the Custom House). He died in 1952, and his obituary appeared on the 15th of January in the Irish Independent. He was living in McDowell Ave in Mount Brown at the time. The obit says that he was with 2nd Batt in the Custom House fighting", as well as an attack on a hotel in Dublin. There were about 7-8 letters in the name of the hotel but I can't read it. Any suggestions? I have a note here that he must be one of thirteen children of a Mary Doyle who lived in Fairview but stupidly I haven't written where I got that information from. Does any of this ring any bells with any of you? :)
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Hi Obbie,
I was looking up facts on Patrick Doyle to get dates for my family tree.This page came up and I saw your requests for information.Mine is scant but hopefully useful.I noticed some one gave a lot of useful stuff which gave me exactly what I was looking for and so I thank them.Where that person has said Of Louisa and Albert Brock adopting a child,Betty,She was actually her niece.Betty's mother was my granny,Elizabeth Murphy,nee Herbert.She married Michael Carroll in Sept 23rd in 1925 in York.He was in the Green Howards and died at age 41 leaving her with 2 small boys,one of them was my Dad,Matthew Carroll.She came back to Dublin and stayed with her sister,Louisa.She then married Patrick Murphy and had two girls,Louise and Elizabeth (Betty)and they moved to Carlow.Because Betty was sick and had to have hospital treatment,her Aunt Louisa had her to live with them.Even when her mother came back to Dublin where they set up home in Benmaddigan road in Drimnagh,Betty stayed with her Aunt.Betty married Cyril and had three children.Louise married Dave and had one Daughter.Sadly Betty died June 2009 and her sister Louise died six months Later in December 2009.I taped the state funeral when it was televised and have it on vcr I can transfer it to disc if you would like a copy,the relatives give some information about Patrick Doyle and it shows photographs.Also Betty was from Scotland and you can see the family on the 1901 and 1911 census.The father was William herbert and the Mother was Louisa Herbert,1901 they lived in Dorset street and in 1911,in fitzwilliam place nrth.
Best wishes with your search,regards Susan.
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thanks so much for the info , and a big hi .
lots of information tryin to figure out whos who !
i wish you good luck in your family tree .
please should you come across info on albert i would be grateful .
i will send you a private message when you have the obligatory 3 messages posted .
goodluck .
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knew i had this photo somewhere .
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Hi Obbie,
This is my third time to try and attach a photo.It just won't do anything,
How do I attach a photo,many thanks for the one with Louisa and children.
Any tips appreciated,new to this and not a tec head,sorry,
regards Susan
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hi sueter
photo has to be under 500kb in size , when you put cursor over photo it should say what size it is , if more than 500kb you need to resize photo , make a copy of original photo then right click on it , one of the options should be resize , ive window live photo gallery which lets you do it , but some programs wont let you .
im no expert , only learned how to do it out of stubbornness to put photos up here
i hate computers they tend to hate me !
goodluck , have fun !
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Dear Obbie,
Here is the photo I promised you, I hope it works. Albert Brock I think is in it.
Regards, Susan.
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Hi Sueter, do you know what year this photo was taken and can you put names on any of the people? Thanks PCDL!
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Hi Obbie,
This photo was taken on 23rd September 1925.The bride and groom are,Michael Carroll and Elizabeth Herbert.The Man to the left of the groom with arms folded maybe Albert Brock,I don't know this,I'm just quessing.
The Lady to the left of him sitting is Louisa Doyle.Child beside her is Kathleen,and the other child is the surviving twin of Louisa and Patrick Doyle.The couple on the right is a mystery.I thought it may have been Parents of Louisa and Elizabeth,but their Mother died in 1910,I found out yesterday,have been to the births,marriages and deaths looking for info.
I don't know if you have a picture of Albert that you can compare.Sadly there is no one left alive to ask.
Hope this is helpful and if I get any more info I will forward it to you.
Regards Susan.
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a brilliant photo , i will try figure if its albert , i likewise have a large quantity of brock photos but no one alive to identify them , very sad .
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I think a Patrick Doyle was excecuted in 1916 as well
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http://irishmedals.org/gpage1.html
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can
image deleted as per poster's request
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hi ailish m
i can tell you that one of patrick doyle,s grandchildren watches these posts in the background , they have no wish to swap info publicaly , but will chat by private message pm , you need to have made at least 3 posts here for them to send you a message .
they seem to know there family history and were willing to tell me some facts about my grandads brother (brock) and what happend to patricks children who remained doyle,s .
if you show an interest in this part of family they may contact you .
i wish you much luck in your search for family and wish you a personal welcome to this site which has helped me greatly and will hopefully be able to help you
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obbie
thank you for replying to my post
my family have just put up old family picture on face book and have found some family in Manchester other part's of England hope to find out more about our family , just found sarah woods died dublin north 1941 born 1893 not sure if its our sarah
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ps
that picture is of my grand dad on the Dublin docks
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old picture of family
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do you know the children in this picture ?
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LAST LETTER FROM PATRICK DOYLE IN MOUNTJOY PRISON ,original hand written kept by Joe Deevey
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brings a tear to the eye and a shiver up the spine !
puts our own worrys in context .
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yes it would
mrs Martin standing with Ina Lang and baby April 20th 1922
picture of Mrs Mary Ellen Martin ne Doyle patrick doyle sister my nanny with unknown children
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just been to the grave s and found my nanny and granddad Mary Ellen Martin ne Doyle and James martin and beside them is Mary Ellen sister Sarah woods. seen were Patrick Doyle is now buried i am looking for Sean/john doyle who was shot at the custom house in Dublin his grave anyone know where he is buried
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in the picture PATRICK DOYLE AND HIS WIFE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME I WAS TOLD IT IS HIS SISTER MARY ELLEN MARTIN NEE DOYLE my nan / 2 part of picture THINK THIS IS YOUNG JAMES MARTIN
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THINK THIS IS WEDDING OF SARAH A. DOYLE TO JOHN C. WOODS 1915.
BACK ROW 2nd JOHN DOYLE, MARY ELLEN MARTIN NEE DOYLE,PATRICK DOYLE
JAMES MARTIN MUSTACHE,1st SEATED LOUISA DOYLE .Not sure of other people
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on back of photo written Pat's kathleen (Doyle)? looks like communion circa 1920s is the other boy Patrick Doyle daughter ?
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http://comeheretome.com/2014/03/23/tommy-wood-youngest-irish-spanish-civil-war-fatality/
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Tommy Wood, youngest Irish Spanish Civil War fatality
March 23, 2014 by Sam
Thomas ‘Tommy’ Wood (1919-1936), aged just seventeen, was the youngest Irish volunteer to fight and die with the International Brigades. A Dubliner from a staunch Republican family, he left for Spain with Frank Ryan on 11th December 1936 and was mortally wounded just eighteen days later at the Battle of Cordoba.
Wood (often misspelt as Woods) joined Na Fianna Eireann at the age of seven and was later active with B Coy, 2nd Battalion, Dublin Brigade IRA. Before leaving, he wrote a letter to his mother:
I am very sorry for not telling you where I was going. I am going to Spain to fight with the International Column. Please forgive me for not letting you know. I got my wages in the Gas. Co. alright. I left a message to be delivered on Sunday. We are going out to fight for the working class. It is not a religious war, that is all propaganda. God Bless you.
He lived with his parents John C. Wood and Sarah Ann Wood (nee Doyle) at 16 Buckingham Place just off Amiens Street with siblings Sean (who died in a workplace accident in 1938), Patrick, Donald, Seamus, Ellis, Kathleen and Frances.
Wedding photo of Sarah Doyle and John Woods, 1915. Credit - ailishm49
Wedding photo of Tommy’s parents Sarah Doyle and John Woods, 1915. Credit – ailishm49
During intense fighting at the Battle of Cordoba, which saw eight Irish anti-Fascists killed, Wood was shot in the knee and then in the head. Frank Ryan wrote to his parents:
He was wounded on the Cordoba Front on December 29 last. I was talking to two comrades who brought him to the dressing station. He was hit above the left knee and then as they were bringing him in, he and one of his comrades was hit again. This time the bullet hit Tommy in the head, but the two lads with him thought it was only a graze as he was conscious all the time. He was brought to Andujar Hospital and the first report from there was very favourable, then we could get no more news of him. It is only now that we have found out why.
Ryan went onto say that name of Woods was confused originally with that of Wools, a Dutch comrade who was also in the hospital. His letter continued:
His comrades here wish to be associated in rendering you their sympathy. Tommy was universally liked during the time he was with us here. I want to emphasise that his life was given in a great cause. He did not come looking for adventures nor for reward. He believed in the cause for which the people of Spain, helped by men such as himself, are fighting. He has given his life not only for the freedom of the people of Spain, but of the whole human race and he will be remembered and honoured equally with those who gave their lives for freedom in Ireland.
On 13th January 1937, the Irish Independent reported:
News has reached Dublin that natives of Dublin serving with the Reds at Albacete – T. Woods (aged 17 years), of Buckingham Place, is suffering from shell shock, and C. Gough, of Cabra, is in hospital with a neck wound. Both casualties were sustained in an air raid on Albacete.
Buried in Corboda, Tommy’s name is inscriped on the grave of his parents Sarah and John Wood and brother Sean in Glasnevin Cemetery:
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Tommy Wood, youngest Irish Spanish Civil War fatality
March 23, 2014 by Sam
Thomas ‘Tommy’ Wood (1919-1936), aged just seventeen, was the youngest Irish volunteer to fight and die with the International Brigades. A Dubliner from a staunch Republican family, he left for Spain with Frank Ryan on 11th December 1936 and was mortally wounded just eighteen days later at the Battle of Cordoba.
Wood (often misspelt as Woods) joined Na Fianna Eireann at the age of seven and was later active with B Coy, 2nd Battalion, Dublin Brigade IRA. Before leaving, he wrote a letter to his mother:
I am very sorry for not telling you where I was going. I am going to Spain to fight with the International Column. Please forgive me for not letting you know. I got my wages in the Gas. Co. alright. I left a message to be delivered on Sunday. We are going out to fight for the working class. It is not a religious war, that is all propaganda. God Bless you.
He lived with his parents John C. Wood and Sarah Ann Wood (nee Doyle) at 16 Buckingham Place just off Amiens Street with siblings Sean (who died in a workplace accident in 1938), Patrick, Donald, Seamus, Ellis, Kathleen and Frances.
Wedding photo of Sarah Doyle and John Woods, 1915. Credit - ailishm49
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During intense fighting at the Battle of Cordoba, which saw eight Irish anti-Fascists killed, Wood was shot in the knee and then in the head. Frank Ryan wrote to his parents:
He was wounded on the Cordoba Front on December 29 last. I was talking to two comrades who brought him to the dressing station. He was hit above the left knee and then as they were bringing him in, he and one of his comrades was hit again. This time the bullet hit Tommy in the head, but the two lads with him thought it was only a graze as he was conscious all the time. He was brought to Andujar Hospital and the first report from there was very favourable, then we could get no more news of him. It is only now that we have found out why.
Ryan went onto say that name of Woods was confused originally with that of Wools, a Dutch comrade who was also in the hospital. His letter continued:
His comrades here wish to be associated in rendering you their sympathy. Tommy was universally liked during the time he was with us here. I want to emphasise that his life was given in a great cause. He did not come looking for adventures nor for reward. He believed in the cause for which the people of Spain, helped by men such as himself, are fighting. He has given his life not only for the freedom of the people of Spain, but of the whole human race and he will be remembered and honoured equally with those who gave their lives for freedom in Ireland.
On 13th January 1937, the Irish Independent reported:
News has reached Dublin that natives of Dublin serving with the Reds at Albacete – T. Woods (aged 17 years), of Buckingham Place, is suffering from shell shock, and C. Gough, of Cabra, is in hospital with a neck wound. Both casualties were sustained in an air raid on Albacete.
Buried in Corboda, Tommy’s name is inscriped on the grave of his parents Sarah and John Wood and brother Sean in Glasnevin Cemetery:
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On 13th January 1937, the Irish Independent reported:
News has reached Dublin that natives of Dublin serving with the Reds at Albacete – T. Woods (aged 17 years), of Buckingham Place, is suffering from shell shock, and C. Gough, of Cabra, is in hospital with a neck wound. Both casualties were sustained in an air raid on Albacete.
Buried in Corboda, Tommy’s name is inscriped on the grave of his parents Sarah and John Wood and brother Sean in Glasnevin Cemetery:
Wood family grave.
The Irish Press (29 Oct 1941) reported on the death of Sarah Woods (nee Doyle):
Sarah Woods - Irish Press (29 Oct 1941)
Sarah Wood – Irish Press (29 Oct 1941)
Tommy was immortalised in Christy Moore’s ‘Viva La Quinte Brigada’:
Tommy Wood age seventeen died in Cordoba
With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun
From Dublin to the Villa del Rio
He fought and died beneath the Spanish sun.
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Tommy Wood, youngest Irish Spanish Civil War fatalit
Thomas ‘Tommy’ Wood (1919-1936), aged just seventeen, was the youngest Irish volunteer to fight and die with the International Brigades. A Dubliner from a staunch Republican family, he left for Spain with Frank Ryan on 11th December 1936 and was mortally wounded just eighteen days later at the Battle of Cordoba.
Wood (often misspelt as Woods) joined Na Fianna Eireann at the age of seven and was later active with B Coy, 2nd Battalion, Dublin Brigade IRA. Before leaving, he wrote a letter to his mother:
I am very sorry for not telling you where I was going. I am going to Spain to fight with the International Column. Please forgive me for not letting you know. I got my wages in the Gas. Co. alright. I left a message to be delivered on Sunday. We are going out to fight for the working class. It is not a religious war, that is all propaganda. God Bless you.
He lived with his parents John C. Wood and Sarah Ann Wood (nee Doyle) at 16 Buckingham Place just off Amiens Street with siblings Sean (who died in a workplace accident in 1938), Patrick, Donald, Seamus, Ellis, Kathleen and Frances.
Wedding photo of Sarah Doyle and John Woods, 1915. Credit - ailishm49
Wedding photo of Tommy’s parents Sarah Doyle and John Woods, 1915. Credit – ailishm49
During intense fighting at the Battle of Cordoba, which saw eight Irish anti-Fascists killed, Wood was shot in the knee and then in the head. Frank Ryan wrote to his parents:
He was wounded on the Cordoba Front on December 29 last. I was talking to two comrades who brought him to the dressing station. He was hit above the left knee and then as they were bringing him in, he and one of his comrades was hit again. This time the bullet hit Tommy in the head, but the two lads with him thought it was only a graze as he was conscious all the time. He was brought to Andujar Hospital and the first report from there was very favourable, then we could get no more news of him. It is only now that we have found out why.
Ryan went onto say that name of Woods was confused originally with that of Wools, a Dutch comrade who was also in the hospital. His letter continued:
His comrades here wish to be associated in rendering you their sympathy. Tommy was universally liked during the time he was with us here. I want to emphasise that his life was given in a great cause. He did not come looking for adventures nor for reward. He believed in the cause for which the people of Spain, helped by men such as himself, are fighting. He has given his life not only for the freedom of the people of Spain, but of the whole human race and he will be remembered and honoured equally with those who gave their lives for freedom in Ireland.
On 13th January 1937, the Irish Independent reported:
News has reached Dublin that natives of Dublin serving with the Reds at Albacete – T. Woods (aged 17 years), of Buckingham Place, is suffering from shell shock, and C. Gough, of Cabra, is in hospital with a neck wound. Both casualties were sustained in an air raid on Albacete.
Buried in Corboda, Tommy’s name is inscriped on the grave of his parents Sarah and John Wood and brother Sean in Glasnevin Cemetery:The Irish Press (29 Oct 1941) reported on the death of Sarah Woods (nee Doyle):
Sarah Wood – Irish Press (29 Oct 1941)
Tommy was immortalised in Christy Moore’s ‘Viva La Quinte Brigada’:
Tommy Wood age seventeen died in Cordoba
With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun
From Dublin to the Villa del Rio
He fought and died beneath the Spanish sun.
Two of Tommy Wood’s uncles were killed during the War of Independence.
Patrick ‘Paddy’ Doyle (29), of 1 St. Mary’s Place, a carpenter married with four children was hanged in Mountjoy Jail on 14th March 1921. Active with ‘F’ Company, 1st Battalion, Dublin Brigade IRA, he was arrested and charged with high treason and levying war against the King for his part in an attempted ambush at Drumcondra on 21st January.
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Six weeks after his execution, his brother Seán ‘Jimmy’ Doyle was killed during the IRA’s attack on the Custom House on 25th May 1921. During an attempt to escape, he was cut down by a British Army machine gun and died of his wounds in the Mater Hospital. Doyle had been active with Michael Collin’s squad. Oscar Traynor (BMH WS 340) wrote of his last hours:
As he lay on his deathbed (the nuns) said his one worry was, “Are the boys beaten?”, and that night as the sound of nearby explosions shook the air, Sean’s face, wreathed in smiles, turned to the Nun who was attending him, and he feeble whispered, “Thank God, Sister, the fight goes on”.
If anyone has a photograph or any further information on Tommy Wood,Patrick Doyle, Sean John Doyle please get in touch.
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THE FORGOTTEN TEN REMEMBERED.
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THE FORGOTTEN TEN REMEMBERED.
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THE FORGOTTEN TEN REMEMBERED.One sunday morning in October 2001I made my way through town to Dorset St, I can remember the day well, it was a wet and dreary,I stood at the side of the pavement with and remember a lump forming in my throat, the hair stood up at the back of my neck.
I stood there with some friends as a cortege of black limos with Tricolored draped coffins came into sight passing the bystanders at a respectable pace, as the hearses bearing the coffins passed some people started applauding, many waved tricolours.
One thing I took on board was the amount of children been held on shoulders adults probably unaware that this was history n the making, I hope those kids that were held shoulder high remember the day they seen the remains of 'The Forgotten Ten' pass through Dublin city.
They were all brave men, Kevin Barry probably the best known of all, but there were stories behind each and every one of them.
I will try to give them all the respect and recognition they deserve.
6 of the men were executed on the 14th of March 1921, Barry had been executed 5mths before the others, he was the first republican execueted since 1916, he died on 1st november 1920 by my friend Dublin Mont'o Memories Rashers
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THE FORGOTTEN TEN REMEMBERED.
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There is a 31 yr old Sean Doyle buried Glasnevin 1921 from Buckingham Place.
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thanks do you know what part or the number in glassnevin cemetry ?
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No you will have to purchase the grave readout to find who's buried there and the grave number.
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James Brock married Delia M'Namara Jan Mar 1902 Limerick.
Albert Brock born 1905 Dn North civil index says BROOK.
1911 Census at age 5 at Clonliffe Road
Albert Brock age 17 of 34 Clonliffe Rd attested to Irish Army 7/7/1922 at Kings Inn,Dublin, and was stationed at Lismore,Eastern Division,Southern Command,Waterford. next of kin father James same address.
1939 Register of Electors
Albert and Louisa Brock at 7 Clonliffe Gardens,Alberts parents and siblings still at 34.
The register of electors up to 1964 and Thoms directories up to present date can be followed up at Pearse St Library which may help to pin down when they died or ceased to be at this address.
Cheers Dathai.
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Grandfather
John Brock age 63 in 1901 at 42 Sth Circular Road (Limerick) born Devonshire wife Annie 57 born Gibraltar.
age 73 in 1911 at 194 Clonliffe Rd.widower.
Alberts uncle Albert age 23 in 1911 at 62 Carlisle St ,Antrim
John Brock retired Quarter Master, Royal Artillery, died 1918 leaving his estate to James Brock of 34 Clonliffe Rd.
Edit
Both Annie (maiden name Galela) 1910 and John 1918 buried Glasnevin.
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thank you Dathai so much for getting back to me