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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: devonblue on Tuesday 07 April 09 18:50 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for this family on 1901 census and before
John Penfold b 1879 in Newton Abbott married an Ellen and had 4 children Mark b 1895, Eliza b 1898, John b 1902, Vashti b 1908. The 1911 census said they had been married 16 years, making them both 15 when they married.
Vashti married Harry Manley in 1928, the marriage registered in Honiton.
I can not find the right John on any census. Does anyone know who he is??
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Hi Jas sounds like John Penfold who married Ellen small son of thomas and Sophia Penfold nee Orchard. dont know who Ellens parents are they had 10 children i think , but cant find the notes for a min, will look them out 2moro for you hope that helps at bit Matilda ;)
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i think ellens perants were james small born 1843/45 and ellen small.james had a brother william and james and ellen small had 9 children as far as i know.ellen was also born 1879.i can tell you more if it would be helpful to either of you?let me know cathayb
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Hi Cousins ...it's me ;D
Thomas Penfold and Sophia Orchard are my gg grandparents!
Need to get my notes LOL
deb :D
added ..I have John Penfold bc 1874
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Hi Debs, Cathay
do you think it could be the right one, i dont have who he married what do u think. yes please Cathay any info you have would be lovely ta
Matilda ;)
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I wonder if Devonblue has any birth certs .... that would help a lot!
Trying to find Thomas and Sophia ith their kids ...to see if thjeir John was born in Devon...
BRB
deb
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Hi,
The only birth cert I have is for Joyce b 1936 dau of Vashti Penfold and Harry Manley.
I will have a look at the Small connections as the Manleys married Smalls before and they seemed to keep marrying into the same families.
Thank you.
ETA Any extra info you have Cathay would help please.
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Hi :)
Can't see them in 1901 :-\
Thomas and Soffia Penfold are on Camp Downs, St Austell in 1881 with all their children including my William and John. No POB given.
RG12/1822 fol 114 pg 14
There is this Marriage
Mark Penfold = Alice Holland
Mar q 1919
St Thomas Devon
Vol 5b pg 128
Will look further
deb
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just an odd bit joseph birch married ellen small newton abbott devon in jan qtr.,1914.
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i will write as i sort out the info.here goes.thomas and sophie had 11 children not 10!
thomas of curse was the son of john and harriet.
john appears with his mum and dad in the 1991 cencus aged 17 with a stack of brothers and sisters.before i go any further have i got the right one?oh they are vagain at camp down st austell.i have john born 1874 though aswell as far as i know.where did 1879 come from?does anyone have a certificae to prove his birth date?
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The birth in 1879 was the date I got from the 1911 census.
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I have now found a John Penfold son of Henry and Fiance b 1878 who could be a possible although he appears to be single.
The one I have on the 1911 census says he was born in Newton Abbott. Looks like a cert is going to be the only way to prove this one way or the other.
RG13/2126/63/6
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hello Devonblue, Debs etc, I think I am right in saying there wee other children to this family. Edward and Jenty. This definitly the right John, son of Tomas and Ellen was daughter of James Small
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Thanks Trainette.
Amazingly their daughter Joyce married a Small.