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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: fred2derf on Monday 06 April 09 11:32 BST (UK)
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Alexander McLUCKIE b. 9 Feb 1839 Govan, Lanark to parents:
Robert McLUCKIE b. abt 1812 Glasgow, Lanark and
Jean/Jane BELL b. abt 1813 Monkland, Lanark
married on 20 Oct 1838 Gorbals, Lanark.
1841
Name: Robert McLuckie 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Fire Works
Occupation: Coal M
Name: Jane McLuckie 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Now is Robert's mother Janet ALLAN or Janet LIVINGSTON? And who were his siblings?
Thanks.
Fred
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Hi Fred,
I am having a bit difficulty, in SP, there is only 1 Robert Mcluckie born between 1810 and 1820 and that is one on 30 April 1820 in Greenock West, with parent's name Janet, but not Allan or Livingston.
I have seen the 1841 census with the 2 children on Ancestry, but there ages were not rounded up. Have you seen the original on SP, could there be a mistake on their ages?
I can also see Alexander Mcluckie marrying Janet Livingston in Shotts 6 Sep 1812, how do you know that is correct marriage, have you any other evidence?
Tom
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Hello Tom,
Thanks for looking. I have no access to Ancestry and I've just gone through yet another 30 credits on SP with my ANGEL family so I'm stuck with zero credits until I get a reply from Bristol RO re 2 marriages and 4 baptisms. My next purchase of credits on SP depends on the number of events, if any, the Bristol RO can find.
I have not seen the 1841 census on SP. All I have is the listing I posted and what I can find on IGI by way of extracted entries.
1894 MCLUCKIE ROBERT M 82 RUTHERGLEN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 654/00 0064
Robert & Jean named their children:
Jean b. 17 Feb 1837 Hutchesontown Relief Church, Glasgow, Lanark
Alexander c. 3 Mar 1839 Hutchesontown Relief Church, Glasgow, Lanark
Janet b. 1 Jul 1841 Gorbals, Lanark
Margaret b. 19 Jun 1845 c. 6 Jul 1845 Gorbals, Lanark
Helen b. abt 1849
John b. abt 1852
Robert b. abt 1854 - I wonder if it is actually 1855 - could we be so lucky?
Ann b. 15 Feb 1857 Rutherglen, Lanark
And, the name appears in IGI and elsewhere as M LUCKIE Mc LUCHIE M'LUCKIE McLUCHIE.
Regards,
Fred
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hi
sorry to stick my nose in
but i have a Margaret Mcluskie in my tree who was shown on a few of the censuses as Margaret Mcluckie it my be worth checking that yours has not been registered as Mcluskie
Regards
carolyn
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Hello Carolyn,
No need to apologise. Thanks, I will add that to the list of variations.
Regards,
Fred
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Have no idea if this is your John McLuckie or you already have his details but pass it on for what it is worth.
John
1881 Census
Dwelling: Back Of High Street
Census Place: Kilmallie, Argyll, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 520 EnumDist 3 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John MC LUCKIE M 28 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Plumber
Mary MC LUCKIE M 28 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John MC LUCKIE U 9 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Mary MC LUCKIE U 4 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Robert MC LUCKIE U 2 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Alexander MC LUCKIE U 10 m M Kilmallie, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Son
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Hello John,
Thank you for that one. It could well be John born abt 1853 now married and with family. I had nothing apart from the rough birth date from the census for him in my tree.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Next door to the family you listed in your first post on the 1841 census are, Alexander McCLUCKIE 60
Janet " " 60
Janet " " 11
Walter " " 27 all born Lanark.
Karen
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Hello Karen,
Thank you very much. Family history always said that Robert's parents were Alexander and Janet but until now I've not had anything to support that apart from the naming of Robert & Jean's children. I still hope we can find Janet's maiden surname.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Walter that is staying with Alexander and Janet in 1841 is possibly their son, maybe you could try tracing him. There is a marriage for a Walter McLUCKIE and Jane LIVINGSTON (sp?) in 1835 on IGI. Don't know if it is the right one, but she dies (the OPRS for Shotts are online, there is a link to it on rootschat in the scotland resorces forum) which would explain why he is back with parents.
The 1841 census I got was from freecen, I don't know if you are aware of it, but it is online and free (most of the 1841 scottish census and bits of the 1851). There is probably a link for it somewhere on the site.
Karen
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Hello Karen,
Thank you very much. We are slowly building up more of a picture of the family. I know about FreeCEN thanks. I've just spent yet another 30 credits on SP with my ANGEL family so now I'm waiting for a reply from Bristol RO re 2 marriages and 4 births / baptisms before I purchase more credits on SP. Meanwhile I'm working on various branches of my tree.
Regards,
Fred
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Hello,
A marriage:
6 Sep 1812 Alexander McLUCKIE & Janet LIVINGSTON Shotts, Lanark
and these McLUCKIE:
c. 22 May 1803 Margaret Alexander & Janet ALLAN Shotts, Lanark
c. 14 Jul 1805 John Alexander & Janet ALLAN Shotts, Lanark
born abt 1812 Robert Alexander & Janet ?? , Lanark
c. 25 Jul 1813 Walter Alexander & Janet LIVINGSTON Shotts, Lanark
c. 16 Mar 1817 William Alexander & Janet LIVINGSTONE Shotts, Lanark
Walter McLUCKIE & Jane LIVINGSTONE
1 Mar 1835 Shotts, Lanark
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Walter McLUCKIE & Jane LIVINGSTON
Mar 1835 New Monkland, Lanark
Is this the Janet aged 11 next door in 1841:
Janet McLUCKIE
c. 26 Aug 1832 Old Monkland, Lanark
Alexander McLUCKIE & Elizabeth SNADDON
Now I'm really confused.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
on the 1841 census,
Elizeabeth SNADDON 30
Elizeabeth McLUCKIE 10
George 10
Jennet 5
Alexander 2
Don't know who the Janet on the 1841 with Alexander is. Maybe a daughter of Walter. Not all births were recorded.
There is a birth on IGI for a Janet ALLAN McLUCKIE b1860 parents John McLUCKIE and Agnes WOODROW. This John would have to be too young to be the son of The Janet ALLAN that was having children with Alexander McLUCKIE, but possibly a grandson. Maybe tracing him back will help to identify family groups. Also, some of my lines named children after family members who had just died, which made me think have you looked for a death of a Janet McLUCKIE/ALLAN or McLUCKIE/LIVINGSTON? Just did a free search on SP and there is a Janet McLUCKIE other name ALLAN who dies in 1865.
Karen
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Hello Karen,
Thanks for your suggestion. I'll look for deaths with the combination of surnames.
One thing I did notice was that LIVINGSTON is a very common name in Lanark.
Regards,
Fred
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Hello,
1851
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Fireworks
County: Lanarkshire
Address: English Square Cathcart Road
Robert McLUCKIE head age 39 Coal Miner Barony Glasw, Lanark
Jean McLUCKIE wife age 38 Old Monkland, Lanark
Jean McLUCKIE daur age 14 Govan, Lanark
Alexander McLUCKIE son age 12 Govan, Lanark
Janet McLUCKIE daur age 9 Govan, Lanark
Margaret McLUCKIE daur age 5 Govan, Lanark
Helen McLUCKIE daur age 1 Govan, Lanark
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Robert McCLUCKIE b. 13 Dec 1814 c. 1 Jan 1815 Barony, Lanark
Robert McCLUCKIE & Jean BULL
Three siblings for Robert also born Barony, Lanark.
John b. 12 Jun 1808 c. 19 Jun 1808
William b. 20 Mar 1817 c. 13 Apr 1817
Peter b. 1 Oct 1818 c. 8 Nov 1818
Regards,
Fred
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Hello,
If the Barony, Lanark in the census is correct then Robert's parents are not Alexander & Janet anything.
I wonder if either of these is brother John born 1808 Barony:
1841
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Gallougate St
MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Umbrella J) Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jane wife c1816 age 25 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE John son c1839 age 2 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE David son c1836 age 5 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Elizabeth daur c1830 age 11 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Mary daur c1840 age 1 Lanarkshire, Scotland
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
1841
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Merryston Squire
MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Collminer) Scotland
MCLUCKIE Ann wife c1811 age 30 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Nanrey daur c1837 age 4 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jean daur c1839 age 2 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Helen daur c1840 7 mo Lanarkshire, Scotland
Fred
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Hi Fred
Have you looked at the 1894 death cert for a Robert McL?
Don't discard Alexander and Janet! They are still showing in 1851 at the same address as they did in 1841, and where Robert and wife Jane Bell were also in 1841 and 1851:
Alexander McLuckie 75, coal miner, b. Larbert, Stirling
Janet McLuckie 76, b. Larbert, Stirling
Peter Fraser 25, lodger, b. Errol, Perth
Michael Baird 10, lodger, b. Kilmarnock, Ayr
Address: Fireworks Carter Row, Fireworks, Govan
Can't see Alexander Snr in 1861 but I wonder if this is wife Janet in 1861:
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
The Margaret in the entry above looks very much like the Margaret you have as born in 1803 perhaps?
Monica
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Fred
I think there is some light at the end of this tunnel...until you hit the next brick wall at least ;D
Karen, you were spot on with that death entry for a Janet Allan McLuckie, her age shows unrecorded on the index but it is her, widow of Alexander. She died at the address that we have her on now for 1861, son John with an address in Bridgeton, Glasgow reported her death at the grand age of 95! Her parents John Allan and Margaret Simpson.
Janet Allan was the mother of your Robert. Jane Bell pre-deceased him when he died in 1894
The marriage in 1812 of an Alexander McLuckie and Janet Livingston is a bit of a red herring given the names and the location.
So, we have Alexander and Janet (Allan) born in Larbert Stirlingshire in the 1770s. We now have Janet's parents and this looks like her christening on 08 NOV 1778 in Larbert. Fred, if you do a parent search with these names there is a large number of submitted and actual extract entries for siblings.
For Alexander, you can for the time being only make best guesses at this stage. From the names we have and the children that you showed:
c. 22 May 1803 Margaret - Janet's mother
c. 14 Jul 1805 John - Janet's father
born c. 1812 Robert
One more christening shows for them:
HELEN MCLUCKIE Christening: 24 SEP 1809 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
I can't see a marriage for Alexander and Janet Allan, but given their approx. birth years, and the earliest birth you have, would look to have been c. 1800ish. You also have the first couple of children above with Janet's parents names, so there abouts I would say.
Most of the IGI entries for births of Alexander McLuckie in the 1770s are in Larbert which won't help....
Monica
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Not sure if this will help http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tom.paterson/deaths/DeathFrame.htm which covers a number of Stirlingshire deaths. Lots of McLuckies! It at least help to eliminate the Alexander McLuckie, son of Alexander and Helen (Cowan), from my imaginary list of possibles!
Monica
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Hello Monica,
Thank you very much for all of that. I started by saying I thought Robert's parents were an Alexander and a Janet.
I'll put all this into my database and get back to you later today.
Regards,
Fred
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Hello Monica,
It looks like:
Margaret 1803 Shotts
John 1805 Shotts
Helen 1809 Barony
Robert 1812 Barony
Walter 1814 Barony
I'm wondering if John is the first son ?? And if Helen is the second daughter ??
Margaret marries George ARMSTRONG 18 Jul 1823 Gorbals
John (maybe his second marriage) to Ann WATSON in 1841 Gorbals
Not sure if I'm missing any children but at the moment I have the first four as:
Alexander b. 13 Aug 1841
Janet b. 3 Sep 1842
Christina b. 4 Dec 1844
Walter b. 1 Feb 1847
1861
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire ?? Cathcart, Lanark ?
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Possible marriage (one of three) for Walter:
Spouse: Jane LIVINGSTONE
Marriage: 1 Mar 1835 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
I can't explain Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter.
Regards,
Fred
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I think a confusing piece of the puzzle is that the son John b. 1805 looks to have died and a second son named John was born c. 1819. I believe it is this John who reported his mother's death in 1865, he was then living in Bridgeton, Glasgow (and shows there in 1861).
I have found a tree on Ancestry from someone who is descended from this John so his line is relatively well recorded. The only two other children showing on this tree is your Robert and Walter. There is no additional information of value on either parents or Robert and Walter, except for Robert's death date in Rutherglen which matches what we now have. I think this is there only because brother John also died in Rutherglen around the same time.
John looks to have married twice. The first to Ann Watson, and the daughters Janet and Christina living with aunt Margaret in 1861 are very likely his daughters (IGI entries for them). And the second wife....I need to go back and find the details again as it was late when I was looking at this last night! Give me a moment and I'll go and pull it together.
Monica
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This looks to be John (b.1819) details:
First wife: Ann Watson 1819 – 1860
Janet McLuckie 1842 –
Christina McLuckie 1844 –
Walter McLuckie 1847 –
John McLuckie 1849 –
Robert McLuckie 1851 –
Margaret McLuckie 1853 –
Second wife: Mary Veitch 1830 – 1903
David McLuckie 1860 –
John McLuckie 1862 –
Mary McLuckie 1864 –
Jessie McLuckie 1866 –
Robert McLuckie 1868 – 1944 This is the line being followed. Married Margaret Summers and emigrated to Auckland, New Zealand post 1901
Christina McLuckie 1870 –
Annie McLuckie 1875 –
Monica
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Some census entries for John and family:
1851:
John McLuckie 30, coal miner, b. Govan
Ann McLuckie 32, b. Govan
Janet McLuckie 8, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 6, b. Govan
Walter McLuckie 4, b. Govan
Mary Veitch 20, Steam Loom Weaver, b. Govan (future wife perhaps ::)
Address: Fireworks Garden Sq, Fireworks, Govan
1861:
John McLuckie 42, Skinner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 31, b. Edinbrugh
Netter male Walter?) McLuckie 14, skinner, b. Glasgow
Margaret McLuckie 9, b. Glasgow
David McLuckie 4 Months, b. Glasgow
David Watson 18, lodger, slater, b. Edinburgh
Address: 206 No 2 House, Bridgeton, Glasgow (Calton)
1871:
John McLuckie 51, coal miner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 40, b Edinburgh
David McLuckie 10, b. Glasgow
John McLuckie 8, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 7, b. Glasgow
Robert McLuckie 2, b. Glasgow
Christina McLuckie 8 Months, b. Glasgow
John Bennet 17, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr
Robert Bennet 22, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr
Address: Mcfarlanes Land, Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Fred, hopefully you have enough here on John to be able to verify his details. A check on his death (1895-05-09 Rutherglen) or his marriage entry to Mary Veitch would let you confirm personally his parents.
Monica
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Hello Monica,
Thank you very much for the additional info. I was wondering about John's marriage to Ann because it seemed a bit late in life but explained as his first not second because of the birth date, 1819.
Re John & Ann's first child I have this one:
Alexander b. 13 Aug 1841 c. 3 Oct 1841 Gorbals - an extracted entry
Re Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter I looked and only found this one:
Janet c. 26 Aug 1832 Old Monkland - Alexander & Elizabeth SNADDON.
Did I mention my connection? Robert born c1812 Barony is my GGGG grandfather. Son Alexander married an Ann MALCOLM born Largs, Ayr, and one of their daughters married a William HAMILTON born in Clonmel, Ireland.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi folks
My GGP's were Margaret Summers and Robert McLuckie. They came out to NZ about 1927 with most of their grown up children, one of whom, David Watson McLuckie was my grandfather. My Grand mother, Lilias Neil Moyies came out in 1932 after her mum died. Didn't want to leave her but followed grandad out afterwards and got married in Huntly. Margaret and Robert had many offspring as was usual in those times. I can come back to you with names another time. I don't have much info on my great uncles and aunts but I have some photos which I need to scan
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Hello,
It may be my Ancestry tree that you have found.
I have John Mcluckie born 1819c.
John died in 1895. Info as follows.
John Mcluckie coal miner
Married first to Ann Watson 2nd Mary Veitch
1895 May 9th 8.15 am 22 Harriet street, Rutherglen
Age 74
Father - Alexander McLuckie, Coal miner - deceased
Mother - Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan - deseased
Informant - Robert McLuckie - son
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Married Ann Watson 28 February 1841, Gorbals, Lanarkshire
also
Married Mary Veitch
John McLuckie coal miner age 40
Father - Alexander McLuckie coal miner dec.
Mother - Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan dec.
Mary Veitch spinster age 30
Father - Robert Veitch
Mother - Christian/Christina Buchanan
Witness - Walter McLuckie
Ann McLuckie
Died 16 May 1860
Age - 42
Father - David Watson
Mother - Christina Watson M.S. Buchanan
Mary McLuckie died 19 December 1903 widow of John
Mary Veitch was living with John and Ann during the 1851 census.
Going by the date of the first born of John and Mary she was pregnant at the time of the death of Ann and her marriage to John in 1860.
I am still trying to find out if Mary and Ann were related as their mothers had the same maiden name or perhaps they were 1/2 sisters.
Helen
New Zealand
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Hello again,
Forgot to say that the 1841 census has John McLuckie living in Strathbungo Village, Govan, Lanarkshire with his wife listed as Agnes McLuckie.
Helen
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Hello kiwisouth,
Robert was one of John & Mary's children:
David McLuckie 1860 –
John McLuckie 1862 –
Mary McLuckie 1864 –
Jessie McLuckie 1866 –
Robert McLuckie 1868 – 1944 ***
Christina McLuckie 1870 –
Annie McLuckie 1875 –
Regards,
Fred
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Hello Helen,
Thank you very much for that info. Yes, I did eventually find John in 1841 once I knew I was not looking for one born about 1805 but one born about 1819.
Very interesting the BUCHANAN connection. I'm betting they are half-sisters so now to prove it.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi Karen,
My maiden name is Sara McGibbon. I have a great-grandfather that was born somewhere, unknown, in Scotland, and eventually married my great-grandmother Anne Augusta Milne, on 10 Aug 1866. They had four children, one of whom lived, my grandfather William Milne McGibbon. He was born and lived in Dublin for his first 17 years. John, Anne and William came to the US in 1886. I have lots more info on the Milne family than on any McGibbons. And that is what i am searching for now, among other people. All I know is that they went to the Lower Glouster Street Presbyterian Church in Dublin, which became a corn store and is a ruin now. It is located on Sean McDermott Street n Dublin City.
I would be happy to discuss any other info I have with you, if you would like. If you have nay info that might be helpful for me, that would be really wonderful.
I live in the Seattle area of Washington State, here in the US and am workng trying to figure aoout about this McGibbon. I don't have a birthdate for him, but am guessing he might have been born around 1838 or so.
Perhaps you can suggest something for me to search. I am a member of ancestry.com and go in to visit that place a lot.
It also looks like you often do research for other people, which I think is great! I would imagnne you charge people to search for them, right?
Well, please write me soon. thanks,
saradu