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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: seraphic on Sunday 05 April 09 07:58 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to locate my GGGrandAunt Elizabeth Jane Chapple/Chappel. She was born in 1837 in St. Austell to Richard and Elizabeth Chappel (Richards). In the 1851 census of Redruth she is living with her widowed Mother and siblings, but after that she disappeared off the planet.
Have checked the OPC page and have been able to eliminate some from the list I compiled from freebmd, and have ordered several certificates but with no success.
Seraphic,
Adelaide.
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Hi Seraphic
Welcome to rootschat. :)
I presume you are looking for Elizabeth on census after 1851. I assume she married, if so do you have the details so we know her married surname and husband's name.
Thanks
Rosie
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When did the family make the move to Australia and did they all go together ?
Fizzy
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Hi,
After the 1851 census in Redruth, Elizabeth Jane Chapple disappeared. Have tried to find any marriage on LDS, but no success, as well have tried to match a spouse name from free bmd without much success either. Her brother Thomas (my GGGGrandfather) arrived in Adelaide, SA in 1856, another brother, James came to Australia (Victoria then Western Australia) in the 1860's , her sister Mary Anne arrived in Victoria in the 1870's. Her other brother, Richard married in Calstock, he went to Scotland, then came back to Cumberland where he died.
Her Mother Elizabeth Chapple and sister Mary Ann were in the 1861 Census still in Redruth, Cornwall.
There are 3 deaths on freebmd in Redruth, 1849 March quarter, 1859 June quarter, 1860 June quarter, all under the name Elizabeth.
Any suggestions where I can search next?
Seraphic
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The child seems to have been baptised Eliza Jane Chappel in 1837.
Another child was baptised 1843 as Elizabeth.
Taken from LDS.
Does it make a difference that you have been looking for Elizabeth Jane was she is in fact Eliza Jane ?
Eliza jane wont be the 1849 death as she was on the census in 1851.
Fizzy
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The child seems to have been baptised Eliza Jane Chappel in 1837.
Another child was baptised 1843 as Elizabeth.
Taken from LDS.
Does it make a difference that you have been looking for Elizabeth Jane was she is in fact Eliza Jane ?
Fizzy
She might not be Eliza Jane though, the record is submitted as the 1843 one for Elizabeth is and we know how unreliable they can be. ??? Still doesn't help finding her though, too many Eliza/Elizabeth Chapple/Chappels in the area. Back on the search ::)
Rosie
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Hello Fizzy and Rosie,
Thanks for your imput. I have been looking for either Elizabeth/Elizabeth Jane/Eliza Jane Chappel/Chapple/Chappell. It is looking very much like that she may have died. Very frustrating :'(. Her birth certificate shows her has Elizabeth Jane Chapple B01/10/1837. In the 1841 Census of Devon the Family is living in Ugborough, and her name is recorded as Elizabeth Chapple. No wonder I am going grey!
Seraphic
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Ugborough - I bet that was totally unexpected !!!!!
Fizzy
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Hello Fizzy,
Ugborough let alone Devon wasn't even thought of, and it was just pure luck that when I search the Ancestry web page I left the Chappel spelling to the computer. Richard Chapple (the Father) died shortly after the Census of what would we know as TB. How the Widow Elizabeth Chappel managed to get back to Redruth Cornwall I can only guess. .
Regards,
Seraphic
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Hi Seraphic
I am very pleased to hear of you discovering our Chappel ancestors in the 1841 census - I have been dying of curiousity to discover where they were at that time. My ancestor is the son James Chapple and I live in Adelaide also. I would like to get in touch with you to share info and I also have some good contacts you might not have in WA. I'm interested in the detail of Richard's death which is of course news to me too.
best wishes, Angechap
Ps. I haven't figured out how to send you a personal message with my email address in it yet!
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Hello Angechap,
Would be great to be able to talk. Like you I am not sure how this can occur, I am still new to all of this, but I have sent an email to the mediator, hopefully she will be able to help.
Your James Chappel was my GGrandfather's brother, mine being Thomas Chappel who married Elizabeth Searle.
Our ancestor - Richard Chapple died 29th September, 1841 at Ugborough. He died aged 36 years. Cause of death was Phlthisis, which I believe is known as miner's disease or now TB.
I live in Adelaide so hopefully we can get communications going.
Kind regards
Seraphic
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Hi Angechap,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat ;D
How lovely that you have made a connection.
As a new member the PM system has not yet opened up to you. If you reply here a couple more times you will then be able to send a PM to Seraphic (or vice versa) Once you have done this, and wish to make contact with Seraphic - To send a PM just click on the little green scroll to the left of Seraphic"s post above.
All the best to you both.
Cheers Kris :)
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Ummm,
Hi All, I am in NSW Australia. My CHAPPLE forebears arrived from Somerset to Victoria in the 1855 voyage of Orwell.
In doing my family history I have found other variations on the spelling eg with "O" as in Choppel /le/ ell/ elle. Yes, with an "o", but fortunately we have a birthday book with many of the dates of birth for our lot, so it was ummm, easier .... to do the online index searchings to figure out which certificates to order without collecting a wad for wallpapering tasks!
Choppel, Coppelle, Chapple, Chapelle, Schappelle, Chaple, you spell it, we have it!
I descend from John Chapple and his wife Ann Dennis, married in Baltonsborough in 1838. Please pm me if you would like to share any info about Chapple (variants) and anyone who could be related to John and Ann. Paricularly interested in any forebears with first or middle name of "Jehu", which is often MISS transcribed as "John", "Ishew" "Jehn" etc. ::)
Cheers, Just Moi.
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HI there
Seems many Chapple ancestors moved to Australia. I too am one of the descendants, albeit my ELizabeth Chapple married a John May and later families moved to Western Australia. My Elizabeth was born in 1824 in St Just to Jonathon Chaple and Sarah Richards.
Not sure if they are in your lines but have info on them if they are. Good luck in your search
Yvonne
btw also found a CHAPPLE listed as CHIPPLE.... (perhaps a New Zealander transcribed it hehe)
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Hello,
Thanks for replying about Elizabeth Chapple. Unfortunately she is not mine, but interesting that her Mums surname is Richards. My Elizabeth's mother was Elizabeth Richards.. Have not gone down the line of Richards yet, but who knows there could be connection there somewhere.
Regards,
Seraphic
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Yes! I too noticed the Richards name in there in common...
You never know 2 brothers and 2 sisters! lol Yvonne
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Hi I am looking for a Thomas Chapple that married a Sarah Parker in New Zealand bout 1870 believe both were born in Canterbury England.
Hoping sum1 can help
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Hello Barbs,
RootsChat sent me your email about Thomas Chapple and Sarah Parker. Unfortunately they are not members of my Chapple/Chappel Family.
Good hunting.
Seraphic
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hi trying to find any connections to my grandad william henry chapple he live in cambridge married to nellie nunn his son ron chapple is my dad thanks
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Hell Cefni,
I am not sure that there is a connection to my ancestors. The one thing that did get my interest is what you said about a William Chapple. He is another ancestor I have tried to locate. William was born 1829-1831, baptized in St. Austell Cornwall, in 1831. His parents were Richard Chapple and Elizabeth Richards. so I do not know if there is a connection here.
Regards
Seraphic :-\
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Hi,Anyone come across a Thomas Chapple and Ann Cann marriage on 2/10/1851 in Woolwich .They had a son also named Thomas in 1852
I know from Thomas (1852) death records that the family came to New Zealand when Thomas was about 3 yrs old
Can anyone help please
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Hi barbs91uk
Is this what you are after?
St Mary's church, Woolwich
2nd October 1851
Thomas Chapple -of age-bachelor-Sergeant Royal Artillery-Resident Woolwich-father Thomas Chapple occ Glover
Ann Cann-of age-spinster-resident Woolwich-father George Cann occ labourer
after banns
witnesses John Williams and Elizabeth Chapple
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Thank you and yes
Any chance of finding siblings to Thomas and Ann
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Thank you and yes
Any chance of finding siblings to Thomas and Ann
Where and when were they born?
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Hi Seraphic
We are distantly related, as Mary Ann Chapple c 1842 and William Paull c1849 of Redruth Cornwall are my GG Grandparents. I am at a brick wall in trying to work out both of their births, and also that of Francis Paull c1864, purported first son and my G Grandfather - but I have never found his birth details either. I believe there was a deal of untruths about their ages etc - Mary Ann was older than William I think - but by how much? Sources I have for their marriage cert 1868, Census, emigration/immigration to NZ and hence to Victoria in 1872, children's birth certs, and their deaths and burials all give different ages! Wondering if you ever had any luck with your ancestor, and if you uncovered any gems song the way? Happy to share what I have.
Kind regards, Christine, WA. :)
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MARRIAGES
At Madron Church, on Saturday, Mr. Richard Trembath, to Miss Elizabeth Chappel, both of Madron.
Royal Cornwall Gazette, 16 Oct 1857, page 8
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For ChristineS
1851 census shows, living in Redruth:
Elizabeth Chappel, widow, 45-49 years old, born in Camborne
Thomas, son, unmarried, 19, Tin Dresser, born in St. Austell
Richard, son, unmarried, 17, Tin Dresser, born in St. Austell
James, son, 15, Mine Labourer, born in St. Austell
Eliza Jane, daughter, 13, born in St. Austell
Mary Ann, daughter, 6, scholar, born in Illogan
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1851 census for Redruth shows:
7yo Mary Ann, born in Redruth, living with her parents, James & Mary Chapple (he was a copper miner). Quite a few siblings (James, John, William, Elizabeth and Grace).
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Hi Telinlethaed
Thanks for the post, I have seen those 1851 census records, I believe "my" Mary Ann Chapple is the first one listed. In a newspaper article when she was 96 she talks about her father William (in fact Richard who died of phthisis in Wales in 1841) and her mother Elizabeth. On her marriage certificate she lists Richard Chapple, Miner, as her father. Mary Ann is not on the 1841 census, but the rest of the family is, Richard died on 29 September 1841.
There were lots of Chapples around, I don't think Mary Ann was the natural daughter of Richard and Elizabeth, and I have never found a birth certificate that fits. I think possibly Mary Ann was either fathered by A.N. Other on Elizabeth, or she was an adopted/fostered relative perhaps?
This family is my brick wall!