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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: Colin Cruddace on Sunday 05 April 09 01:58 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My grandad's brother died of TB at the sanatorium on 28th Jan 1909 and I would like to know if he would have been buried in that area. Does anyone have any information of their burials?
Regards,
Colin
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Hi,
I grew up in Threlkeld. I seem to remember some were buried in the Church Yard there.
Kate
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Thanks Kate,
I never thought about them being buried in the local Churchyard.
Regards,
Colin
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I thought I might resurrect this posting as I still haven't found the burial of my Great Uncle and many more records are now available.
He was Charles Henry Cruddace from Gateshead, County Durham, age 27.
Can anyone offer any suggestions please?
Colin
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If your Gt Uncle was sent to Blencathra Sanatorium from Gateshead, after he died he may well have been taken back home for burial. I have researched a small number of people who died at Blencathra Sanatorium and they were buried in a churchyard near their home rather than Threlkeld Churchyard.
Ideally, the next step would be to check one way or another whether or not your Gt Uncle was buried in Threlkeld Churchyard. I understand the Burial Register for St Mary's, Threlkeld is still with the parish and with no copy in the County Archives.
If, on the other hand, the County Archives does have a copy of the Burial Register you could ask someone who is a regular visitor to the Archives if they could do a 'look up' for you. If your Gt Uncle is not buried there, then you would know to look around Gateshead for the burial location.
Good luck.
(Photograph of Threlkeld Churchyard attached)
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Thanks Jos,
I've checked for a burial in the Gateshead area so I'm fairly sure that he wasn't buried there. I thought I'd also checked for the local Threlkeld Church burials but if they haven't been deposited then it's not surprising I couldn't find him and RC'ers couldn't help.
I'll see if I can contact the Church directly for their advice.
Much obliged,
Colin
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Hello Colin,
To confirm the present situation about the burial registers for Threlkeld Parish (St Mary's) I have just checked the online catalogue of documents held by the Cumbria County Archives. The latest burial register they hold covers the period 1813 - 1901 (PR 70/60).
As you can see, unfortunately this is a little before the year you are looking for (1909). As you have already deduced, you would have to check with the parish about the possible burial of your Gt. Uncle.
Do you know (or believe) that your Great Uncle was a member of the Church of England? Threlkeld (St Mary's) a Church of England parish. If your Gt Uncle belonged to another denomination he may have been buried in a different churchyard.
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Hello Jos,
After your initial post, I was able to send an email to St Mary's through the 'A Church Near You' website. Fingers-crossed, I'll receive a reply fairly soon and will post the result.
The family were all C of E, and I haven't found any information to indicate that any moved to a different denomination. Do you happen to know if any records for Blencathra have been deposited anywhere?
Regards,
Colin
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Hello Colin,
It just so happens that I was at Carlisle Archives this morning chasing a death at Blencathra. I can confirm Jos's posting that there is nothing deposited after 1901 regarding deaths at the Threlkeld Parish Church. Church still holds the register and no one appears to have transcribed the gravestones. However, I understand the Archdeacon of Carlisle has been round all the parishes and is urging the churches to deposit their records at the archives.
Some records of the sanitorium are at Carlisle Archives. The following may be of interest:
T/HOS/10/4 Six vols admissions registers 1904-1958 (continuous)
T/HOS/10/7 Case Files 1904-1915
T/HOS/10/8 Visitors Book 1904-1939
Looks like you are in luck with the case files
PM me if you want me to look at anything for you.
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Hello Clearly, :)
Thank you very much for checking and for your very generous offer which I would like to take you up on. I will send a PM.
Very much appreciated,
Colin
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Colin,
Just to tidy up this posting for those who have read the foregoing. Blencathra records are virtually untouched in Carlisle archives -- still thick with soot from before their deposition. I hit lucky and found Charles Henry's case notes in the first few envelopes. It did not say anything about his death but did give his date of admittance, home address and a fairly complete resume of his life for the previous four years.
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Colin,
Just to tidy up this posting for those who have read the foregoing. Blencathra records are virtually untouched in Carlisle archives -- still thick with soot from before their deposition. I hit lucky and found Charles Henry's case notes in the first few envelopes. It did not say anything about his death but did give his date of admittance, home address and a fairly complete resume of his life for the previous four years.
Having his home address may indicate where his funeral service and burial took place, if not at Threlkeld. You have done really well for Colin.
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Hello Jos and Clearly,
I agree that Clearly has done exceptionally well in checking the records for me (and emailed a copy :D :D ;D).
I was surprised to find that his symptoms had been treated over a 4 year period, which started with Pleurisy and ended with TB. The record shows that both his parents and a brother died of TB (Phthisis) but there are others who died, which I had also assumed was through TB, except for one who died from drowning in the Tyne. I'll need to get a few more death certificates to sort out what happened to each one. It just goes to show that it doesn't pay to draw conclusions.
It was such a tragic family and I am so grateful to my Grandad's Aunt who got him drunk to get married to my Gran ::) ;D ;D
As for Charles Henry's burial, I have checked for Gateshead cemeteries burials without success, so am awaiting a reply from St Mary's Threlkeld to see if he was buried locally, which would fit in with the other burials - buried where they died (and no headstone :'( )
Many thanks for your interest and help,
Colin
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I'm getting very slow nowaday's. so it would seem ::)
The record that Clearly sent was his Admission details, so his treatment was for well over 6 years as he was at Blencathra for over 2 years. I've never come across anyone with TB lasting more than a year so this seems to be quite exceptional for that time.
My mother remembers that she was treated for TB and convalesced in the Lakes when she was about 15, so it could well have been Blencathra. She is aged 97 and still going strong so they must have done a good job ;D ;D ;D
Colin
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Hi all
I am just messaging on this chat as I am also searching for someone who died at Blancathera sanatorium. My fiancé's nan died there aged 24 in 1949. His name was Edward Styles, son of Mary and William John Styles. His daughter (my fiancé's nan) was just 2 when he died. She has recently suffered a stroke and we are trying to help her remember and process her memories and one thing she is desperate to do is visit her fathers grave.
If anyone can provide any help or advice on who best to contact about getting further information on this, that would be massively appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Hannah