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I Am Trying To Find Juliana's Maiden name, She Was married To Thomas Wakefield.
They Were Married Around 1800 - 1820 In Derby?
They Had 6 Children..
Thomas Wakefield... born - 1837
John Wakefield
Edwin Wakefield
Richard Wakefield
Juliana Wakefield
Mary Ann Wakefield
(Not In Order)
They Used To Attend The St Mary's Gate Chapel In Derby?
Their Adress Was Spring Roads, Normanton Road?
They Also Lived In Chester Sometime In Their Life..
I Really Want To Find Out Juliana's Maiden name..
Can Anyone Help?
Hi
Juliana in the Census 1841 to 1881 - all in Chesire - is consistent with being born about 1797 in Ripley, Derbyshire. All children stated born in Derbyshire.
The birth certificate of the youngest child, Mary Ann abt 1839, or Thomas if he was registered from the Sep Qtr 1837 onwards, should provide Juliana's maiden name.....
However, there is a tree on A****ces**ry with this family in it. It gives Juliana's maiden names as CARWITHEN, and her parents as: John CARWITHEN(b 1762) and Sarah GETLIFFE (b1764 - died 1838), with siblings named Martha b 1788 and John b 1794.
The tree doesn't include a son of Thomas & Juliana named Richard (who also doesn't appear in the census) with them either, but perhaps he was either older and moved on by 1841, or died young?
Edwin WAKEFIELD b abt 1823 Derby
Richard WAKEFIELD
John WAKEFIELD b abt 1826 Derbyshire
Juliana WAKEFIELD b abt 1831 Derby,
Thomas WAKEFIELD b 1837 Derby
Mary Ann WAKEFIELD b abt 1839 Derby
http://www.pentrich.org.uk/html/surnames.a-z.html
Pentrich Historical Society (Ripley is in the Parish of Pentrich)
A researcher is listed as connected,inquiring abt John CARWITHEN b 1794 - who, from the above references, may be Juliana's brother.
Cheers
AMBLY
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If you search the IGI for CARWITHEN, all, in Derbyshire - there is:\ among them:
CHRISTENING: Juliana CARWITHEN chr 14 Aug 1796, Pentrich, father : John CARWITHEN
And :
MARRIAGE: Juliana CARWITHIN and Thomas WAKEFIELD, 15 Aug 1822, Saint Werburgh, Derby
Both are extracted records.
This is probably her brother in 1841:
HO107 / Piece 199 / Book: 3 / Folio: 14 / Pg 23
1841: Orchard St No. 2, Parish of St Alkmund, Derbyshire
John CARWITHIN 45, Tailor
Ann CARWITHIN 35
George CARWITHIN 15
Appolinah CARWITHIN (female), 15, Silk Winder
Juliana CARWITHIN 13, F.S.
Ann CARWITHIN 6,
Mary DAWSON 60
ALL born Derbyshire
Cheers
AMBLY
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Do You Think Carwithen is A Welsh Surname?
And My Granny Said That Thomas Wakefield Was Related To Sir Humphry Wakefield, Can Anyone Conferm This?
hello,
julianna carwithin and thomas wakefield were my 5th great grandparents
they had a son called john who married mary cheers and they had alfred wakefield my3rd great grandfather and his brother charles cheers wakefield
who when he died in 1941 was known as viscount wakefield of hythe he also owned castrol oil and was lord mayor of london, sir humprey i have not come across yet
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i have had a look at sir humprey wakefield and his tree and i think granny may be right i believe that my 9th greatparents are the same as his
just need help proving two branch's have being tracing back since i read that edward jerringham wakefield was viscount charles cheers wakefields
second cousin.
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yes my grandmother said something about charles cheers wakefield, and my decendants come from esther sommers and thomas wakefield, thomas was born in 1837 in derby... thats all i know about this family but my grandmother has more information about them would you like me to ask her and write it all on here?
hello,
that would be great if you would not mind .
so how is granny related to thomas was he her great,great grandfather?
and was thomas born 1837 a minister ?
many thanks
karen
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yeah sure its something to do with esther sommers that were related :S i dont know how i will ring my granny tomorrow and ask her ;D
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yeah sure its something to do with esther sommers that were related :S i dont know how i will ring my granny tomorrow and ask her
does granny know if esther sussanah sommers married dec 1881 barton regis to thomas wakefield born 1836 derby was his second wife? married before i believe to a rebbeca and has she heard of him ever going to africa?
your wakefield relation
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Hello, Yes My Granny Knows Esther Sommers Whos Mother Was Lilian Lea And Father Was Robert Sommers... And She Married Thomas Wakefield... And His Wife Who Went To Africa Sadly Died Giving Birth To His Child In Africa... My Great Granny (Florence Bayliss) Is Leonard John Wakefield's Daughter...
My Granny Said...
Leonard John wakefield Was First Cousins To CHarles Cheers Wakefield...
Charles Cheers Wakefield Being The Son Of John Wakefield, Brother To Thomas Wakefield (The Missionary)...
I Hope This Helps You :) & Hope You can Help Me Back With More Info
hello, thanks for the information you have given me.
i found out yesterday that he was married too rebecca brewin i thought i was on the right track for a couple of weeks now but needed to confirm this which i have now done . his first wife went with him to ribe (near mombasa)
were she had a daughter called rebbeca nellie wakefield and then they had another child who died so did his wife but i think it was from some sort of fever can let you know for definatley later, so his daughter was sent back to england and he followed much later thats when he met esther sussanah sommers and married and she went with him too ribe for 5 years. this is all mentioned in a book that i found on line called the memoirs of rebbeca wakefield written by her brother. there is also a biography of thomas wakefield and the author is e.s wakefield at the latter day saints on micro fiche but i do not live near a latter day saints so may never know what is said about him, he was a remarkable man i feel he served for 27 years in kenya and was known as bwana wakfili .
there is lots of information about him too much for me too write i could send you the links i have found so you can have a look if you like?
can i just confirm
leonard john wakefield was the son of esther sommers and thomas wakefield?
hope to hear from you soon
karen
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Hello, Oh Yer my granny said something about rebecca brewin, i never knew there was another child though only thought she had one child out there, so leonards father had another child called rebecca nellie wakefield then she died with the other child....
and yes leonard john wakefield was the son of esther sommers and thomas wakefield....
thomas and esther...
leonard john wakefield and julia bayliss (although his name wasnt on the birth certificate as it was all hidden from the parents....
florence bayliss and thomas davey (my grannys mum and dad)
no rebbeca nellie lived and came back to england thats all i know about her at the min.
i had a look for leonard john wakefied and could only find 1 birth in leeds 1890
and 1 marriage to a elanor yeadon in derby 1915 but can't find any children for them but this might be right as i think what you are saying is that leonard and julia didn't marry?which i find strange ? and had look for florence bayliss and only found 1florence m bayliss born 1912 westham parent bayliss do you know if she was born there?
speak to you soon
and will post the links later
karen
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there will be no record of florence bayliss as she waas ileghitamete child of leonard
her birth would still have been registered but fathers name left blank wouldn't
have it? if she had a birth certificate she would have been registered why was his name not on in and why did they not get married was it because of his parents? :'(
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i dont know, her name might be under florence baysin or florence eustace... she married thomas davey
no can't find anthing for those names all i can find is florence m bayliss married thomas g davies 1919 abergavenney and florence b bayliss married edgar t davies tewksbury 1924 no bayliss and daveys :(
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Nope Them names Arent Right, My Grandmother said That Florence Was married As Eustace, But She Was An Illegitamate Child Of Leonard, And No One Knew About her Being Illegitamate... And Leonard John Died At 27 In The War I Think, And His Family Probably Still Didnt Know, But I Do Know That Before He Went In The Army He Lied About Being Married, He Went Into The Army In 1917 And Was married 1915 To Elanor Muriel Yeadon, But In His Army Papers he Applied As A Batchelor
hello,
he was a bit of a lad then?so florence was adopted by a mr eustace did julia bayliss marry a daniel j g eustace in 1916?that is the only marriage i can find for a julia bayliss to a eustace?and i think maybe leonard was already married to elanor yeadon when he met julia thats why he didn't marry her or have his name on certificate incase his wife and familly found out
but maybe not all was right with his marriage when he met julia and maybe later divorced her then he would have been single ?cc wakefield was lord mayor of london at this time also so no scandels.
speak to you soon
karen
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Hello, Yes lol thats exactly what my granny said, he was a bit of a lad. and that must be who julia married... and no Florence was adopted by someone else because she was an illegitamate child i think... not sure.
And he married elenor yeadon, yes but my great granny was born 1912 and he married elanor 1915 without his family or her family knowing, and then he died in the war and his family found out.
ask me some questions you may be looking for on the wakefields lol my granny knows all of them.
take care
hello,
this is how my tree goes and what i am looking for
edith wakefield married james burtonwood her parents were
alfred wakefield married ann jane bretland his parents were
john wakefield married mary cheers his parents were
thomas wakefield married julianna carwithin his parents were
robert wakefield married sarah roberts his parents were
thomas wakefield married sarah? his parents were?
edward wakefield married isabella gibbons
i need to find a marriage certificate for thomas married to sarah to find out what her maiden name was and that edward and isabella were his parents
to confirm us to this line as i know that edward jerringham wakefield was charles cheers wakefields second cousin and i believe this is how we are connected? but back in those days every thing went to the first son and our thomas was a second son there is a lot of information about there first son edward married to priscilla wakefield but nothing about thomas ?
has granny heard of any of these names?a lso does granny have any pics of any of the wakefilds as i only have a pic of edith wakefield at the moment but ediths youngest son only died last year and having lived in the same house from when he was born i was hoping that he would have had alot of pics and certificates but he didn't :(
karen
your wakefield relation
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Hello, I Will Ask My Granny About Those Names And See If She Can Hel With Any Info,
And Thomas Wakefield Who Married Esther Sommers was Leonard John Wakfields Parents, And Leonard John Wakefield Was My Great Great Grandad (My Grannys Mums Dad)...
And i think my granny has a few pictures of the wakefields, if you want to, i could give you her address but you will have to mail me on my hotmail address, and i cant write that in here, i will send it in a private message and i will mail you her address and you could write to her and maybe she will copy some photos and send them to you?
hello :)
thanks for that i will write to her is it mrs daveys?
thomas married too esther was my gr,gr,gr,gr,gr grand uncle so that will have made leonard my first cousin 5x removed i think that is how it goes.
i also found yesterday but you probaly already now if it is correct there is a leonard john wakefield died ww1 of the liverpool scottish regiment was he in this? there is a cast bronze plaque to him in the liverpool scottish regiment museum then next to it ,it says st andrews church?
:-* :-*
karen
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Hello again :) and its ann davey.. and yes thats right i think leonard j wakefield was my great grandfather and his parents are my gr gr grandparents so r u sure its as many as 5x lol?
and yes i knew about leonard john wakefield in the army :) my granny has all his records and application form for it :) never knew about the museum thing thou, i will have to tell my granny about that :) and i will email you her address?
take care
hello thanks for that ;)
there is me, my mum,grandma,gr grandad arthur,gr gr grandma edith, gr gr gr grandad alfred, gr gr gr gr grandad john, gr gr gr gr gr grandad thomas married too julianna carwithin. and i am twice your age plus 10 ;) and my mum is three times your age plus 13 ;) and my grandma would have been four times your age plus 17 this year but she passed in 2005, and arthur was born 1902 and passed in1969 at age 67,edith was born 1879, alfred was born 1849
and john was born in 1826 and thomas married to julianna carwithin was born 1801 and thomas married to esther sommers was born in 1836.
take care speak to you soon
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Hi readers,
I know I an a little late responding but Juliana Carwithen was born at Ripley, Derbyshire abt 1796 and died March Q 1886 at Chester, Chestershire aged 89 years. Juliana was the grandmother of First Viscount Wakefield, Baron Charles Cheers Wakefield 1860-1941. Charles, known also as 'Cheers' which was his mother's maiden name, was the founder of Castrol Oil (this is a corruption of castor oil).
I descend from Juliana's only brother, John Carwithen, 1794-1873, as follows:
Philip Gregory Mouritz 1954-
'Betty' Ellen Elizabeth Whittaker 1933- m 'Tony' Brian Anthony Mouritz 1932-
Doris Lillian Carwithen b 1899 Birmingham, Warcs d 1980 Perth, Western Australia m 'Jack' John Whittaker b 1900 Kidderminster, Worcestershire
Samuel Carwithen b 1861 Derby St Peters, Derbyshire d 1942 Birmingham, Warcs m 'Ellen' Eleanor Street b Madeley, Shropshire d 1940 Birmingham, Warcs
George Carwithen b 1826 Turnditch, Derbyshire d 1865 Birmingham, Warcs m Ann Radford b abt 1829 Turnditch, Derbyshire d 1906 Birmingham, Warcs
John Carwithen b 1794 Ripley, Derbyshire d June 1873 Stafford, Staffordshire (Juliana's brother) m second time Ann Clay b 1804 Derby, Derbyshire d 1864 Derby, Derbyshire
John Carwithen b abt 1762 , Derbyshire d 1838 Derby, Derbyshire m Sarah Getliffe b abt 1764 , Derbyshire d Mar Q 1838 Derby, Derbyshire
John Carwithen b abt 1740 Derbyshire? d abt 1777 Derbyshire? m Nanny?
Caleb Carwithen b abt 1715 Derbyshire? d 1768 Derbyshire? m Rebecca Draper b abt 1715
If anyone can assist with further family connections I would love to hear from them-please utilise my email: (*)
Perth, Western Australia
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