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Title: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Thursday 02 April 09 10:43 BST (UK)
Hi
I am looking for information regarding James Fanning of Tipperary Town in Co Tipperary. I believe he was born about 1850 from his age on his marriage registration. His father was also James Fanning. They were both bakers. I wonder if he had his own bakers shop?

James married Eliza Lynch on 16 July 1869 in Tipperary Town. Eliza was born about 1851. Eliza's father was John Lynch and maybe Margaret Wade (I got this information second hand but I have no proof)

I have 6 children listed for James and Eliza but I believe there could be more. I believe i will only find out for sure with a search of the parish registers in the Tipperary Catholic Church. Can anyone do this?

Children -
- Robert Fanning b Sep 1870 Spittal Tipperary died Apr 1872
- Mary Fanning b Nov 1872 Spittal Tipperary
- Catherine Fanning b 1878 died 1951 ( I have some information about Catherine - I can not find a birth registration and wonder if she was baptised)
- Eliza Fanning b Nov 1882 Henry Street, Tipperary died 1954. Eliza is my great grandmother and I have some information about her.
- Mary Anne Fanning b  Jul 1887 Bankplace, Tipperary  I have some information about Mary Anne such as marriage and children so far
- Frances Fanning b  Aug 1891 Union Workhouse Tipperary

There is a 6 year gap between Mary and Catherine and a 5 year gap between Eliza and Mary Anne where I believe there could be other children born. Catherine, Eliza and Mary anne all ended up in London after 1901.

Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. I would be very interested in birth information and death information regarding the parents James and Eliza.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: dafydd67 on Thursday 02 April 09 14:42 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: enfield on Thursday 02 April 09 18:41 BST (UK)
FANNING, ANTHONY. Rank: Corporal. Regiment or Service: Worcestershire Regiment. Unit; 1st Bn. Age at Death: 32. Date of Death: 13-03-1915. Service No: 4799. Born in Workington in Cumberland and enlisted in Carlisle while living in Workington. Killed in Action. Supplementary information; Husband of Bridget Fanning, of 2, Brodeen Cottages, Carhir Rd, Tipperary. Grave or Memorial Reference: Has no known grave but is commemorated on Panel 17 and 18. Memorial: Le Touret Memorial in France.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Friday 03 April 09 00:57 BST (UK)
Hi
Thank you for the information regarding Anthony Fanning I shall go and look for a birth registration. I had already found a Bridget Fanning living in Tipperary census in 1901 and 1911 quoted in a book called County Tipperary by Noel Farrrell. I will need to get hold of the originals census documents. Anthony was missing in both but the Tipperary Barracks is very close by and he was most likely there in both census.

I have the same with Catherine Fanning she is in the town while her husband Joseph Leahy is at the barracks. in the 1901 census.

thanks again
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Friday 03 April 09 01:27 BST (UK)
Hi
I just found a marriage for Anthony Fanning and Bridget Obrien in Oct 1902. This Anthony's father was a John Fanning a tailor not James Fanning a baker. So Anthony is not a long lost brother after all.

This still also means that the Bridget fanning I found in the 1901 census is still unaccounted for. A Bridget is mentioned as the witness on Catherines marriage in 1896 so she is either a sister, a sister in law, an aunt or a cousin. But still no leads.

thanks
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Jack2227 on Friday 03 April 09 17:00 BST (UK)
(by kind permission of Noel Farell)
Tipperary Town Roots 1901;

Church st; (24)
Fanning Bridget , Matt

Dillon st; (22)
Fanning May; (living with Leahy family)

Lacken;
Fanning John & Julia; John, Julia, Andrew, William, Peter
(a Tipperary business directory has a John Fanning as a farmer.)
----------------
Nenagh; 1901
Nenagh has a Bank Place, but no Fanning there in 1901.

Brewery lane; (5)
Fanning John & Bridget; Joseph, Mary, Martin.
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Fanning Family History Research has a  BLOG about Fanning's who went to Australia from Thurles, that contains lots of information. :)

Electors list 1940/41 Tipperary Town;

Bank place;
Fanning Patrick, Margaret.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Jack2227 on Friday 03 April 09 17:23 BST (UK)
(by kind permission of Noel Farrel)

Carrick-n-Suir 1911;
Fanning James & Annie; Annie (blacksmith)
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Saturday 04 April 09 00:31 BST (UK)
thank you Seanmac

I have that book by Noel Farrell. I think my next step is to acquire the real census information. That way i can get ages to try and match to birth registration years.

I do know 100% that the Leahy family on Dillon St in the 1901 census is actually Catherine Leahy nee Fanning and her two children. The May Fanning is most likely her younger sister Mary Anne Fanning. Her husband was with the army in Africa on duty with the Boer War.

I also believe that the bridget Fanning on Church Street may prove to be the witness on Catherines marriage registration. When i get hold of her age I will be hopefully able to identify a relationship... maybe an aunt.

thank you

Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: corisande on Monday 13 April 09 08:36 BST (UK)
It may be worth your while looking at dna.There is a Fanning DNA Project  (http://fanningdnaproject.blogspot.com/)

I know nothing about their DNA project, but I have been in touch with a number of the Fannings as I have close matches to them in dna.

My family was from Tipperary. The Fannings seem to have originated around Sligo centuries ago.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: corisande on Monday 13 April 09 08:47 BST (UK)
And to get Birth Cert

1. You can look up the Ireland government index at this  LDS site  (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/) . It gives you the reference you need for the application form below. But as long as it is after 1864, you can get away with not having the reference if you have the date and place

2. You can order the certs by downloading a form and posting to the government dept (The General Registrar Office  (http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm)  - they are in Roscommon)

Its easy to do, you do not have to pay a researcher, but it takes a few weeks for the cert to arrive.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Monday 13 April 09 12:58 BST (UK)
Thank you Corisande

I had a look at some of those projects and sites you mentioned. I will most likely order a few certificates.
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: kob3203 on Friday 06 November 09 03:23 GMT (UK)
I've just discovered an Ellen Fanning in my family tree, married to John Browne.
We've now found at least eight children born to the couple between 1867 and 1886, all  in the Caher/Cashel/Clonmel area.
So I guess Ellen Fanning was born c1836-1852
Just possibly a sibling/cousin of James?
Pete
{Post updated with new information}
P.S. I assume you're aware of the Thurles Fannings? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382672
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: corisande on Friday 06 November 09 07:50 GMT (UK)
Have any of the Fannings here had a y-DNA test done.

I am curious about the Fannings as my y-DNA (Grant from Co Tipp) is an extremely close match to Fannings in Fanning DNA Priject
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Saturday 07 November 09 00:08 GMT (UK)
No I haven't had my DNA done. I thought it had to be a male relative that did DNA. My family is 5 girls. I would have to contact a cousin in England to get it done on my behalf.

Do you know if it is male or female DNA for the test.

regards
Jackie
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: corisande on Saturday 07 November 09 07:04 GMT (UK)
For the "Fanning" name you need a male with the name "Fanning" - in other words the y-dna only passes from father to son.

Have a look at  the Fanning DNA project  (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/fanning), and look at the various tabs along the top like "Patriarchs" Contact the organiser to discuss it, I am sure she would be please to help. They have research on Fannings (but most of them are Americans who have no idea where they came from except "Ireland")

From memory there was some debate as to whether they always were in Sligo or came from Limerick - my own view was Limerick, but that was not based on extensive research!

DNA is a complex subject, and there is a lot of misunderstanding/misinformation/prejudice about results and how they should be interpreted, so take care. Having said that it can be a great help in establishing where your family came from. If your DNA matches theirs, then you have made a big step forward.

I had advised them last year to try to find people in Ireland to do the test, so they should be very pleased to see you are interested
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Fanningadm on Wednesday 02 December 09 16:20 GMT (UK)
FANNING Y-DNA project would like to have any male Fanning from Tipperary test for their project.
The link for the project is
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/fanning/

Presently we have six members who have a paper trail to Ireland, four from US and two from Australia.

I can answer any questions by clicking on my name at bottom of page.

There is a holiday sale that is in effect until December 31.

Cathy Fanning Stoppel
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Thursday 03 December 09 06:10 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am from a family of girls - one of 5 sisters. My mum has one brother left in England that I might be able to approach. I live in Australia so it will be via mail that i contact him so it might take a while.

His grandmother was a Fanning born in Tipperary Town, Tipperary in 1882. Eliza was from a family of 6 - 5 of them girls. The only son died at the age of 2 from measels. It has been difficult tracking them all down. But 3 of the girls ended up in England before WW1.

regards
Jackie
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Fanningadm on Thursday 03 December 09 15:50 GMT (UK)
Jackie,

Since his grandmother was a Fanning, that won't work for Y-DNA.  Y-DNA transfer from male to male.
MtDNA  (maternal transfer from female to son and daughter).  Son only passes on Y-DNA.

I have posted a link so that you can see the path of Y-DNA and MtDNA which is a simple pedigree chart. 
http://www.isogg.org/malepa4.gif

Your uncle has a different surname than Fanning and his Y-DNA should have matches with that surname.
You would need to go back one more generation in your Fanning lineage to see if there is a male that had sons. You would then need to trace their lineage forward to see if there is someone to test.

Sometimes it is necessary to go back several generations to find males, which I know is very hard.

Regards, Cathy


Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Friday 04 December 09 08:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Cathy
I will not be any help to the project until I can go back one more generation. My great great grandfather James fanning married Eliza Lynch in 1869 they only had one son who died age 2. I believe James was born in 1850. His fathers name was james Fanning also I think from the marriage record.

And that is where I am stuck! I have no idea where James was born and if it was actually 1850 or before it. I need to get hold of the Parish records if they exist and see if that was where he was born in Tipperary.

If I ever manage to get back one more generation then i can move forward to find a living descendant.

regards

Jackie
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Fanningadm on Friday 04 December 09 16:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Jackie,

Do you know if your great great grandfather had any brothers?  Perhaps you can find other Fannings living in the same area and research them.  Often you will need to test uncles, or a least uncles of another generation.

Do you know what religion your family was?

I found a link that might be of use to you if they were Catholic.  http://www.tfhr.org/

Cathy

Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: kob3203 on Saturday 05 December 09 00:42 GMT (UK)
Re the link to TFHR, and just to clarify a common misconception.

If you prefer to do the research for yourself, please note that the Cashel & Emly RC parish records are available free to the public on microfilm at the National Library Of Ireland, Dublin.

I'm not just whistling in the wind here - I checked with the NLI myself by email, and a contact has viewed the Cashel and Emly microfilms there recently. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,418002 for further information.

The Archdiocese website here http://www.cashel-emly.ie/main/history/genealog.htm is incorrect, and TFHR are not the only people with access to the records.

Pete
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Fanningadm on Saturday 05 December 09 01:34 GMT (UK)
Pete,

I live in US so probably won't have a chance to research in Dublin.  Also the Fannings in Australia probably wouldn't have the opportunity either.  If there is a better place to research, or a cheaper method of researching would you post links for us?

Many Catholic records in US are only accessible through Diocese and they will not allow the public to view records due to privacy issues, regardless of how old the records might be.  In reading the TFHR website, it seemed to me that was what they were saying in the topic of "Are Archives Public Records".

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cathy




Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: kob3203 on Saturday 05 December 09 12:53 GMT (UK)
Ah! Good point!

Like me then you need somebody to go the NLI and look up the parish records. It may be worth checking with your local LDS Family Centre, although as far as I know they don't have the Cashel + Emly parish register microfilms.

Anybody (whether they be an individual, a proxy or professional researcher), can view the microfilmed parish registers (filmed in the 1950s/1960s) at the NLI for free. See the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland website here http://www.apgi.ie/News2008.html and scroll down to the entry dated 27th May 2008 - it explains the history of the whole thing.

You are therefore not obliged to use TFHR, despite what the TFHR and the Archdiocese websites say.

The best option would be a researcher in Ireland with the same interest. Unfortunately I haven't come across any local Fanning researchers.

If there's just one or two entries you'd like to check it may me worth putting a lookup request here (I was very lucky - somebody from RootsChat looked up my two records for me at the NLI).

Other than that, I guess it's professional researchers. I've never used researchers, and I have no idea of their fees. Hopefully other RootsChatters can provide personal recommendations?

Personally, I'm putting my Cashel + Emly research on the back burner for now.

Good luck with your research,
Pete
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: Lallygirl on Sunday 06 December 09 13:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you kob3203 and fanningadm

you have both given me a few things to think about and look up.
I looked into a professional researcher once and they quoted me about $800 Australian dollars. Which was far more than i can afford on my part time wage.

There is also a genealogy centre in Tipperary that has access to parish records but they are only open on certain days and did not respond to an email I sent. I should try emailing them again.

My Fannings were Catholic.

thank you

Jackie
Title: Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
Post by: peterbernardc on Saturday 25 January 14 14:31 GMT (UK)
Hi I know it's a long time since you all put your fanning family on here so I don't know if you are still looking but I am also looking for Fanning's, you mentioned Anthony Fanning he his my great great  uncle and he was born in Workington to John and Elizabeth Fanning, John was a Sailor and not a Tailor as is said on the Marriage cert ( think it must of been a misprint ). There where 5 children 3 boys and 2 girls and it is through 1 of the girls Ann Jane Fanning that is my great great grandmother. If anyone is still looking I would love to hear from you.  Pauline