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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: flogged on Thursday 02 April 09 02:06 BST (UK)
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Hi again,
does anyone have anything conclusive so far as dates go with descendants of Joan Beaufort and James Stewart "The Black Knight of Lorn"
We have found several with the marriage and the 3 children but nothing to show dates to say who is parent to who, through to at least 1600.
D.
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Hello D.
You pose a very interesting question and to be honest, I don't "think" I have the answer just yet, but two heads are better than one as they say, so perhaps between the two of us, we can sort these Stewart's out!
I have John Stewart's Lord of Lorn's painting. If you would like a copy, please send me your e-mail address.
We believe (but cannot prove) that our line came via him probably from under someone else's bed sheets at the time.
Using Scottish naming patterns, the following tree fits that pattern:
1/. Alexander Stewart "Wolf of Badenoch" c. 1370 to 1406
His eldest son was Alexander of Mar who died in 1435. He married a Isobel who was the countess of Mar, hence his title.
2/. James Stewart 1st Earl of Buchan 1447-1499 known as "Hearty James". His son was born to his mistress Margaret Murray, named
3/. Alexander Stewart 2nd Earl of Buchan 1468 to 1505 with wife unknown had issue:
4/. James Stewart 3rd earl of Buchan 1492-1547 with wife unknown had issue:
5/. James Stewart. Master of Buchan and Earl of Traquair. He married Christian Strang of Fife. They had issue:
6/. James Stewart b. 1604. Alexander Stewart b. 1606. Margaret Stewart b/d unknown and Isobel Stewart, who died young.
My own line is filled with James’s, Alexander’s, Isobel’s, Margaret’s and John’s (Gaelic is Ian)
Regards,
Charles.
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Thanks Charles, my good wife entered that last one whilst I was away at work.
Yes, they were regular names during those times, hard to get away from them,
I have it like this with my line,
Robert II & Elizabeth Mure
issue;
Alexander Earl of Buchan 1343-20/6/1405
Robert III
Alexander & Euphemia Ross
Issue;
James
James & Janet Menzies
Issue;
David
John Gorm Stewart of Fothingall
Daughter (name unkown)
David & Unknown
Issue;
John
John & Unknown
Issue;
Robert 1st of Fincastle
Alexander of Foss
John
Robert & Agnes Gray
Issue;
James 2nd of Fincastle
John
Malcolm 1st of Sheirglass
Neil 1st of Tulloch
James & Unknown
Issue;
John 3rd of Fincastle c1600
Alexander
Janet
John & Margaret Cairwood
Issue;
James 1st of Ladywell died 20/3/1650
Robert 4th of Fincastle
Hugh
Margaret
James & Margaret Moncreif
Issue;
Isobel
Isobel & John Blair 8th of Ardblair c1650-1683
Issue;
Helen
Helen & George Freer c1670 died abt1750 Ordained Minister
then throught to my line in Australia arriving late 1800's
I have been given from Stewart Society in Scotland some of the original information but this only really gives titles and some activity, not much at all with marriage and children.
flogged.