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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: RoryT on Sunday 20 January 08 14:49 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone come across Peppards or sometime spelt Pepper in their searches. I know that John Peppard was living in the Baltinglass/Hackettstown area on the Wicklow/Carlow border during the 1860's,as I have his info from the birth cert of his son, also called John (my ggrandad).
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can you give john's dob and his mothers maiden name, it would help in the search.
regards mary.
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There's more information about Pepperds on the George Peppard - the Actor (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,262988.msg1538402.html#msg1538402) thread.
Griffiths Valuation extracts for Co. Wicklow (1852-3), on John Hayes failteromhat.com website, list one Pepper in the county ...
John Pepper, Ballyhorsey, Kilcommon, Wicklow
Christopher
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can you give john's dob and his mothers maiden name, it would help in the search.
regards mary.
Mary,
Details confirmed from Parish Records P4191 listed as Peppard at marriage although name interchanges to Pepper. Married Harriet Sophia Jones 28 Jan 1864 (as Pepper son of John Pepper). He was listed as a labourer living at Garretstown, Parish of Rahill, Rathvilly, Co Carlow, which is approx 10 kms from Holdenstown where Harriette lived. The marriage took place in the Registrars Office, Baltinglass, although Parish Records seem to record the marriage being in the Church of Baltinglass. His father is listed as John Pepper, also a labourer. Marriage was by license. They lived in Clough, Baltinglass, Wicklow after they were married, moving to Killalish in Feb 1864 (birth of John) and to Dublin in 1869 and moved back to Baltinglass, Co Wicklow for the birth of Julia and Margaret. In 1873 they lived in Kiltegan, Co Wicklow. I can't find any trace of his father John, this is the link I need to get back further.
Rory T
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i found this john pepper looks by their age a second marriage,it may not be yours.
JOHN PEPPER AGE 50 TO ELIZA ADAMS AGE 40 13-11-1855 WICKLOW.
fathers. RICHARD PEPPER & WILLIAM ADAMS.
regards mary.
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I've since discovered that he was living in Baltinglass in the late 1890's but is not on the 1901 Census. He is not recorded in the death records so where could he have gone???? His son, also John, was living in Dublin in 1901.
RoryT
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Mary,
This is very interesting can you tell me where they lived and where you got the info.
i found this john pepper looks by their age a second marriage,it may not be yours.
JOHN PEPPER AGE 50 TO ELIZA ADAMS AGE 40 13-11-1855 WICKLOW.
fathers. RICHARD PEPPER & WILLIAM ADAMS.
regards mary.
Rory
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Hi,
I might have been lookig in the wrong area for my Peppard/Pepper ancestors (I was looking in Carlow/Baltinglass area. However, I now suspect that there might be some connection to the above areas in the early 1800's. Has anyone come across the names in their research.
RoryT
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No need to start a new topic, Rory. I've merged your earlier Peppard/Peper thread and changed the title.
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I've since discovered that he was living in Baltinglass in the late 1890's but is not on the 1901 Census. He is not recorded in the death records so where could he have gone???? His son, also John, was living in Dublin in 1901.
RoryT
Rory I see on the bottom of your mail that you are also looking at Talbot name I would be interested in getting to chat to you about this name also
Now PEPPER name is still in Wicklow in 1918 when the son of George Pepper Albert married a lass at Dunganstown Parish in 1918 they then have a child born in Dublin. named Albert in 1919
It appears the name George Pepper floats around often in the Wicklow area and I have several marriages of Pepper.
I fail to see what the problem would be if they are not in Baltinglass and are in Dublin one seems to be close to the other when you are driving within the area.
Cheers
Cara
I have no idea how to post my address for you to get but you can contact me via the Rootsweb Co Wicklow List even if you are not a lister
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Hi there! Does anyone have any information on or connection to a Matthew Peppard/Pepper, born county Wicklow about 1824? He married Honora Smullen in January 1850. They had a son James, and emigrated to Australia on the "Marshall Bennett" in 1851. Their daughter Mary was my great grandmother.
emjaye
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Hi Emjay,
On another site I had a connection which outlined Matthew's family. He was a goldminer when he emigrated to Oz. Himself and his wife Honora (b 1828) had 8 known children: James (1850), Mary (1854 - 15 Jul 1933), Ellen (1856), Thomas (1856 - 1856), Margaret (1858), William (1863) and Letitia (1868 - 15 Aug 1888). James was the only child born in Wicklow, the rest were all born in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. As far as I can determine John's parents were John Pepper/Peppard (b.1800 Rathdrum, Wicklow - d. abt 1889 Dublin) and Elizabeth Sharpe (b. 02 Dec 1807 Knocklishen, Rathvilly, Co Carlow - d. Bet. Apr - Jun 1880 Dublin), they married in Rathdrum, Co Wicklow on 12 May 1822. Their other children were:
John (1838 Garrettstown, Rahill, Rathvilly, Co Carlow- 21 Nov 1926 31.1 Old Kilmainham, Usher's Quay, Dublin (my GGgrandfather)
Joseph (b. abt 1840 Baltinglass, Co Wicklow)
George (b. abt 1840 Baltinglass, Co Wicklow)
Jane ((b. abt 1855 Baltinglass, Co Wicklow - d. after 1876)
Hope this is of assist to you
RoryT
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Thank you so much RoryT, you've been a great help. I really appreciate all the information, I couldn't find either Matthew or Honora on the Irish BDM indexes.
emjaye
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Hi Emjaye –
My gg grandmother was Mary E. Pepper, born 1819 in Avoca, Wicklow. Another researcher has told me that her father was Matthew Pepper, but I have no proof of that. Perhaps your Matthew Pepper could have been her brother. What do you think?
My gg grandmother married Benjamin Henry Chapman [b. 1820 in Ballyloughlin, Wicklow] and they emigrated to Canada in about 1843-4. Later they moved on and settled in Wisconsin, USA.
Erato
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Hi Erato,
Very hard to say without verification, which I haven't been able to find on any of the Irish BMD on-line databases. Going by the information from RoryT, it is possible that John Pepper & Elizabeth Sharpe had another daughter. Their marriage was in 1822, my Matthew was born about 1825 and the next child, John, isn't born until 1838 - quite a gap.
RoryT - do you still have the details of that previous connection you mentioned?
emjaye
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Emjay & Erato,
I have looked through my records for the source of the info but I think it was on a previous hard-drive that crashed and I had only the paper copies left. Erato had posted to me previously regarding his ancestor Mary who was a daughter of Matthew as far as I can remember. John and Elizabeth Sharp info was gotten from the IGI and I vertified the info from the Parish Records a couple of years ago. I wish I could offer you more but it is very difficult to access records for the Peppards around Wicklow/Carlow during that time and to clearly identify who is who. There are a good few around the Rathdrum area which is close enough to Baltinglass on the Carlow/Wicklow border from where my GGGrandad came from (John and Harriette Sophia Jones).
Rory
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Erato and RoryT,
Well, I think we've gotten a bit mixed up, unfortunately. Luckily for me, though, I have today found the death certificate for my Matthew Peppard (married to Honora Smullen). He died 24 Oct 1902 in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. However, the certificate list his parents as Matthew Peppard (Labourer) and Mary, formerly Jenkinson. He is listed as 79 when he died, so that makes his birth somewhere around 1823. So I guess there is still the possibility, Erato, that your Mary fits in here, with a brother/father named Matthew.
emjaye
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Yes, Jenkinson was the name I was given for my Mary Pepper's mother. As I said, I have no evidence that she actually was the daughter of Matthew Pepper and Mary [Ellen?] Jenkinson. But it looks like there might be a link there between your ancestor and mine.
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Hi Erato,
I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that we've got the same family, the "Jenkinson" is too much of a coincidence. We will have to try to find if there were any other children, maybe through the Census records. Isn't it great when a little bit of the puzzle falls into place?
emjaye
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I see that you are in Australia. I am in Ecuador. This makes digging into early Irish records tough.
I know nothing about Mary Pepper except what became of her and her family in the US. From that point on, I have quite a lot of information.
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Erato,
I have a contact in Ireland who may be able to do a bit of a search re Matthew Peppard and Mary Jenkinson. In the meantime I would love any information you may have on Mary. My email is (*)
Thank you,
emjaye
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Matthew Pepper was the son of Matthew Pepper and he married Honor Smullen 27/12/1850 and that marriage was at Rathdrum Co Wicklow Ireland - Her father was Thomas
and this can be found in Civil registrations.
and a Richard
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Looking at headstones in Church of Ireland records, Wicklow Town I came across the following, hope it will fit in somewhere in your records:
"Erected by / John Pepper / in memory of his / affectionate wives / Mary who died the 21st of August 1855 aged 38 years / Elizabeth who died the 21st January 1878 aged 44 years."
Also one of my ancestors called John Malone (1872 - 1948) married circa 1902 to Ellen (Helena) Pepper, who was born Dublin (according to the census of 1901 & 1911) and died November 1966 in Wicklow Town. They had 9 known children all now deceased.
Census 1911 = 16 Colley St 65/19
Ellen states she was "married 9 yr. 5 children born & 5 living"
"Ellen Malone, aged 92 yrs R.C. Housewife, widow Glenside Road, (Colley Rd), died 29th November 1966.
Julia