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Hi
I need some help with finding the birth index for Luke Guest.
I always thought he was born in 1875 in Liverpool but so far been unable to find him.
He died 1916 age 41 yrs. I have him and family 1911 Census at 13 Ritson St age 36, born in Runcorn.
I have checked findmypast.com two years either side of 1875 and cant find him.
I really need would like his birth certificate.
Can anybody help,
Cheers
Trueblue
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Hi Trueblue
Can't find his birth on Ancestry either :( Could Luke be his middle name? I have him and his family on the 1901 census where he is also down as being born in Runcorn. He married Elizabeth in Toxteth Park in Jun 1897.
The closest I can get is a Luke Guest registered in Altrincham in Dec 1865, on the 1871 his birth place is down as Lymm. the only Lukes born in Lancs were born in 1897 and 1902, both Toxeth Park.
Hope that helps somehow ???
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie, just as a matter of interest, the Luke born in Lymm 1865 who are his parents on the 1871 census?
The two Lukes born 1897 and 1902 Toxeth Park were my Lukes sons, first one died year after birth.
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Hi
Runcorn is Cheshire not Lancashire
1901 also shows birthplace as Runcorn Cheshire and he was then 26
I suspect this is him in 1891 in Lymm
Alice Guest 60 widow b Heswall
Alice Guest 30 b Lymm
Oliver Guest 23 b Lymm
William Massey 18
Luke Massey 16 grandson b Runcorn
Sarah A Massey 14 grandson ditto
RG12 Piece 2827 Folio 92 Page 23
Births March qtr 1875
MASSEY Luke Runcorn 8a 228
1881 census for Lymm
William Guest 29 unmarried b Lymm waterman
Ellen Massey 32 lodger married b Runcorn
Luke 7 b Runcorn
Mary Alice 12 ditto
Sarah Ann 5 b Lymm
Herbert 9months b Lymm
RG11 Piece 3509 Folio 71 Page 30
1871 census for Runcorn
Ellen Massey 25 or 26 b Runcorn married - boatmans wife
Mary Alice dtr 1 b Runcorn
RG10 Piece 3691 Folio 165 Page 43
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1871 census (RG10/3686 folio 292 page 32) original image hard to read
?Canal Bank, Lymm
Oliver Guest Head Mar 50 Water Man born Lymm, Cheshire
Alice do Wife Mar 40 b. Thelwall, do
William do Son Unmar 19 Boatman b. Lymm, do
Henry do Son Unmar 18 Boatman b. do
Alice do Daur 10 Scholar b. do
Ann do Daur 7 do b. do
Luke do Son 5 b. do Imbecile from birth
Oliver do Son 3 b. do
Mary do Daur 1 b.do
Sarah Calwell Mother in law W 72 Annuitant b. Thelwall, Cheshire
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Thanks Rosie and Carole I will look into these a bit further.
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well done Carole.and Rosie....good work...trueblue...go to www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb......go to database then click on babtisms....type Guest in the box and then submit.....you will find about 80 of the Guest family babtisms in Lymm...the first being 1592.....loads of research there for you...lol...good luck...
Luke Guest babtised 3/12/1865...parents Oliver (a boatman) and Alice...allan ;)
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Hi Garstonite
That's a great website find for Trueblue to look at. We still cannot find Luke Guest born around 1875 though (the one I think could be Luke Massey)
I cannot find Ellen Massey on a census with a husband so don't know whether she was really married or not
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Carole
I think I have found Ellen Massey living with husband Samuel in Runcorn 1861 but she lied about her age. I also think Luke Guest is really Luke Massey b Runcorn 1875, taking on the name Guest after his mother married William Guest between 1881 - 1891. On 1891 census William and Ellen are married and living Livepool, Ellens children the Masseys are living with Williams mother Alice Guest in Lymm.
Garstonite, the web site is a great gind thanks a lot.
Trueblue
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Hi
I also looked at that 1861 entry and the only thing that made me wonder is that they were married in the March qtr 1861 but the eldest child in 1871 was only 1yr old. Also - they married in the Prescot reg district which is Lancashire (although that doesn't really prove anything given the venue for the marriage below)
This is the Guest/Massey marriage
Marriages June qtr 1881
GUEST William Chorlton 8c 985
MASSEY Ellen Chorlton 8c 985
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without proof I know its frustrating....Luke Massey is Luke Guest , a 99% certainty...but you have to PROVE it ...thats whats frustrating....good luck...I THINK you should ask a moderator whether this thread should be moved to Cheshire .Board...Lymm and Runcorn are both Cheshire and Luke was born in one or the other..(.Lymm is only 5 miles from the outskirts of Runcorn.) THEN LOOK AT THE CHESHIRE RESOURCES info....good luck.......allan
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Hi
I have twice asked the moderator to move it to the Cheshire board but no luck so far
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It got moved ;) it was the subject line :)
Celia