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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Ancestrykim on Sunday 29 March 09 16:27 BST (UK)
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I was wondering whether anybody might be able to help with information on the Hopkins family? Pat (Patrick?) Hopkins, a butcher or cattle dealer married my g.aunt Charlotte from Ravensdale, Co. Louth around the 1900s. I don't know if they were married in Galway or Louth but Pat was Catholic and Charlotte Protestant! They had a son, John Joe. Not much to go on I'm afraid but I know there are some brilliant sleuths out there!!!!
Many thanks in advance,
Kim
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Hello Kim,a few snippets of info for you to play with!!!! To fit in with your time scale the Irish family history foundation site have 5 Patrick Hopkins born 1864--father is John ---Patrick born 1865---Patrick born1871 father is Thomas-----Patrick born 1883 & 1889 father to both of these is John. In Griffith's Valuation there are 7 Hopkins listed for Tuam.Thom's Directory for Tuam 1931 has two Victuallers listed as P.Hopkins Bishop ST-----Thomas Hopkins Foster Place. + you could always try the local history group some one there should know something of the Hopkins family www.oldtuamsociety.com ----- Good luck regards Nipy
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Thanks very much for your help and reply. I know that Pat Hopkins married in 1900 so the Pat Hopkins you list as being born in 1871 and even the 1883 could come into the time frame. Particularly as the 1883 Pat had a father called John. Perhaps his first born son was named for his father? I'll try the local history group next. Thanks again,
kind regards,
Kim
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Yes Kim if Patrick was a first born son it is very likely he was called John after his father.Also thinking about Patricks own life as a butcher/cattle dealer things would have been a worry for him at that time as TB was a true scare in that area in the early 1900's. Regards Nipy
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Thanks for the additional information!!
Regards,
Kim
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My father was called thomas hopkins born 1929 in tuam son of thomas hopkins. i think my dad had an uncle called patrick who was a cattle farmer and butcher he had a son called johnjoe,john joe married a woman called margaret better known as peggy she came from mayo.john joe had a butchers shop on circular road tuam thayhad 4 children named sylvestor patricia josephine and desmond
they all lived in bishop street i think sylvestor joined the christian brothers and my naunt thinks he might of left and settled around cork josephine was a nurse and we think josephine and desmond went to england patricia became a nun she worked in the presentation convent tuam later on not sure when she went back to her home in bishop street we think she is deceased now john joe died approx 1980s my family is the only hopkins family that live in tuam today hope ive been of some help i will look for future posts u may make concerning this edward
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Patrick ,Charlott & Johnjoe in the 1911 census ,living in Bishop St , regards Nipy
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Wow Edward!!!! Many thanks for your post! I've hit the jackpot! It has to be one and the same family. Coincidentally I've been in touch with Josephine, who as you say, is living in England, I got her address from an old census on-line and it fit in with what another family member had told me. The census information, relatively recent, had that Patricia was also living at the same address as Josephine but when I made contact, Josephine didn't mention Patricia so my guess is she died. In fact Josephine has absolutely no real information to pass on to me. She didn't mention any siblings, she thought her grandmother Charlotte (my grandfather's sister) came from N Ireland (not!!). She confirmed that Johnjoe had died in 1981 and Charlotte in the 1940s. Reading between the lines, from what I've heard from my father, it was quite a scandal in the family that Charlotte had gone off and married this Catholic lad from Co. Galway, I think she and the family had very little further contact. If you can think of any other information regarding this line of the Hopkins family I would be fascinated to hear it, why did they go to England for example? I might just wing off another letter to cousin Josephine and ask some more questions. Thanks for you help anyway, I was so excited to see the email in my in box this morning!!!!!!!
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Dear kim i dont live in ireland anymore but all my family are still there so i am in the process of finding out the info u may find usefull i am glad this helped you Edward
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Hi Edward!
So where are you living now???
I posted a letter to Josephine this morning asking once again if she can supply any information for our family tree, hopefully she'll be a little more forthcoming?! As i said earlier, it was really exciting to get your email this morning and I really welcome any additional information you may have. I just feel that we're in this world for a really short time and the only mark I'm going to leave on it is that I bothered to find out about my ancestors and have that information nicely parceled up for my daughter to pass on to her dependents!!!! Awwwwwww!!!!!!
kindest regards,
Kim
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My father was called thomas hopkins born 1929 in tuam son of thomas hopkins. i think my dad had an uncle called patrick who was a cattle farmer and butcher he had a son called johnjoe,john joe married a woman called margaret better known as peggy she came from mayo.john joe had a butchers shop on circular road tuam thayhad 4 children named sylvestor patricia josephine and desmond
they all lived in bishop street i think sylvestor joined the christian brothers and my naunt thinks he might of left and settled around cork josephine was a nurse and we think josephine and desmond went to england patricia became a nun she worked in the presentation convent tuam later on not sure when she went back to her home in bishop street we think she is deceased now john joe died approx 1980s my family is the only hopkins family that live in tuam today hope ive been of some help i will look for future posts u may make concerning this edward
I know this is a very old thread but it is puzzling me a lot and if you're still there Edward, maybe you can help? I believe my great-grandfather, Martin Thomas Hopkins was the brother of the Patrick Hopkins who married Charlotte Logan. I have some evidence that Martin Thomas was known as Thomas (there was also an older brother called Thomas who died in infancy). Martin Thomas had a son called Thomas, b. 1910 in Tuam, who was a butcher in Galway. But the only marriage I can find for this Thomas was in 1930's and I've only found one son, Martin T., born in 1930's (from other family trees on Ancestry - not verified by me). So I cannot work out where Edward's line fits into my tree.
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Welcome to RootsChat, rf :)
Pat (Patrick?) Hopkins, a butcher or cattle dealer married my g.aunt Charlotte from Ravensdale, Co. Louth around the 1900s.
Patrick HOPKINS married Charlotte LOGAN on 23 October 1899 at Tuam RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10366/5773814.pdf
1901 census
House 34 in Bishop St (part of) (Tuam Town, Galway).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Tuam_Town_in_31_files/Bishop_St__part_of_/1401521/
Birth of Bridget Jane Hopkins - 16th January 1901 at Bishop Street, Tuam.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01962/1756887.pdf
Her death in 19051904 aged 4 yrs.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05599/4574179.pdf
Birth of John Joseph Hopkins - 28th May 1908.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01609/1645906.pdf
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Tuam_Urban__part_of_/Bishop_Street__part_of/549733/
Bishop Street, Tuam (select Historic 25" map)
https://arcg.is/1L0iOr
Edited
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......married my g.aunt Charlotte from Ravensdale, Co. Louth..............
This was probably the birth of Charlotte (an unknown female) on 1st April 1876 at Annaverna. Father William Logan and mother Charlotte Anne MN Burns. #488
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03058/2121220.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/louth/lower-dundalk/ballymascanlan/ravensdale/anaverna/
Charlotte Hopkins died 24th March 1942 aged 64 yrs. Her son John Joseph Hopkins was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1942/04673/4244976.pdf
Patrick Hopkins died 1st March 1955 aged 80 yrs.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1955/04434/4158614.pdf
john joe married a woman called margaret better known as peggy.........
John Joseph Hopkins married Margaret Mary Smyth on 27th January 1930 at Williamstown RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09047/5273540.pdf
Margaret living in the townland of Polenister (sic). Her father James, a farmer.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/ballymoe/templetogher/kilcroan/pollaneyster/
1911 census - Smyth - Pollaneyster (Kilcroan, Galway)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Kilcroan/Pollaneyster/460420/
KG
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Wow, I haven't looked at this website for ever! Thanks for the info! I was actually in Tuam in September last year and found the site of the butchers and also the graves of the some of the Hopkins family. Thanks again, Kim
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This was probably the birth of Charlotte (an unknown female) on 1st April 1876 at Annaverna. Father William Logan and mother Charlotte Anne MN Burns. #488
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03058/2121220.pdf
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KG
Hi Kiltaglassan - thanks for the welcome :). I'm astonished you found all those links in just a few hours! I've added most of them only recently to my tree over at A* and it's taken me several days. I was particularly pleased with myself for spotting Charlotte Logan's possible birth record as no other trees I had looked at had found it.
My problem is that I can't work out how I'm related to Edward (hoppy93) who posted the text I quoted above as the place and dates don't seem to match Martin Thomas's grandson Thomas and I think Patrick and Martin Thomas were the only two brothers who survived to adulthood from that family.
I've found out very little about the origins of their father, Thomas Hopkins, whose birth date (working back from census and death cert.) ranges from 1834-39. I recently found (what I believe is) his marriage record (Jane Frazer spelt Jean Frazer) in Tuam in 1855 which favours an earlier date, but his baptismal record eludes me - I've trawled the Tuam parish registry to no avail. I've recently been in touch with a descendant of a Bridget Hopkins b. 1833 in Kilkerran parish and discovered that almost no records from there are online (and may not be extant at all) so it could be that Thomas originally came from there or another parish where no records are available. Because I can't find 1830s Thomas's parents I can't identify his siblings and work out which of the many other Hopkins in and around Tuam are also part of the extended family. Which is frustrating :-\.
Thanks again
RF
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Reading between the lines, from what I've heard from my father, it was quite a scandal in the family that Charlotte had gone off and married this Catholic lad from Co. Galway, I think she and the family had very little further contact.
On the 1911 census, it says that Charlotte Hopkins had three live births, of whom one is still living. The only children of Charlotte and Patrick I have found is John Joe and Bridget Jane (aka Delia, aka Gennie), who died young. Which makes me wonder, is this a mistake or did Charlotte have an illegitimate child before marriage? Is that why she was packed off to Tuam, away from the scandal? So I wondered if I could find her other child before her marriage.
Well not as such. I did find another daughter of William and Charlotte, named Margaret, born in 1893, who only survived 8 months. It would not be the first time that grandparents of a child claimed them as their own! The odd thing about Margaret is that her birth wasn't registered until July 1894, a month after her death ???. It seems suspicious but it may be that she was sickly from birth and her parents were so consumed by anxiety that they simply forgot. We'll probably never know.
Her birth: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02251/1847185.pdf
Her death: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05968/4696491.pdf
Then another thing struck me as odd. On her birth record, her mother's maiden name is McAlister, not Burns. This confused me a lot, especially as the townland, Anaverna, was the same and there were only 69 residents on the 1901 census, so a second William & Charlotte Logan living there seemed very unlikely.
The answer was simple, Charlotte, nee Burns, died in 1884...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06308/4808528.pdf
...and William married again, this time to Charlotte McAlister, in 1888.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10757/5923188.pdf
So I checked John Logan's 1889 birth record:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02475/1919136.pdf
And of course, his mother's maiden name is McAlister.
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My problem is that I can't work out how I'm related to Edward (hoppy93) who posted the text I quoted above as the place and dates don't seem to match Martin Thomas's grandson Thomas and I think Patrick and Martin Thomas were the only two brothers who survived to adulthood from that family.
I've just had a revelation. Midie on the East Galway Facebook Group sent me Thomas Snr's obituary from 1920. It says he was survived by THREE sons, John, Patrick and Martin Thomas. I now believe that John was the father of another Thomas who had sons called Michael and Thomas, so that Edward could be the son of the youngest Thomas and everything fits. Phew.
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For others reading, some links-
Martin Thomas had a son called Thomas, b. 1910 in Tuam, who was a butcher in Galway.
Thomas Hopkins born 2 April 1910. MMN Byrne
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01567/1632425.pdf
Older sister Mary Anne Josephine born 21 March 1908.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01652/1659250.pdf
1911 census for Hopkins
House 1 in Corralea, West (Tuam Urban (part of), Galway).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Tuam_Urban__part_of_/Corralea__West/548245/
Three further children born from 1911-
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sep/
Marriage - 30 April 1907 - to Bridget Byrne
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10092/5671735.pdf
1901 census (as Martin T Hopkins)
House 1 in Church Lane (Tuam Town in 31 files, Galway).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Tuam_Town_in_31_files/Church_Lane/1401542/
MapGenie 25 Inch - Basemap Gallery showing Galway Road, The Mall and Church Lane in Tuam. Townparks (2nd Division)
https://arcg.is/0SufPX
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4179357#map=15/53.5134/-8.8529
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Thanks once again Kiltaglassan - I had not found John Joseph born in 1920 - probably because that year's records had not been released when I was looking. He was the first cousin of the John Joseph Hopkins born to Patrick Hopkins in 1909.
There was another Hopkins-Byrne child I'm fairly certain of even though I haven't seen the birth register entry - Martin Francis, 4 Oct 1924 - 20 Apr 1995, who emigrated to Canada (dates from https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93259472/martin-francis-hopkins).
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There was another Hopkins-Byrne child I'm fairly certain of even though I haven't seen the birth register entry - Martin Francis, 4 Oct 1924 - 20 Apr 1995, who emigrated to Canada
Born within the 100 year rule and the record available online from 2025.
It can be ordered as a copy of the entry from the registers via the staff in the GRO Research Room, Dublin.
E-mail a request for a copy of the record to GROResearchRoom(at)welfare.ie
The fee per copy is €5.00 as of June 2023.
As soon as it is processed a staff member will email you and ask that you call
+353 (0)1 8940080 to process card payment.
Once card payment has been authorised your copies will be sent to you via email or by post.
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..Martin Francis, 4 Oct 1924 - 20 Apr 1995, who emigrated to Canada
Buried Hatzic Cemetery, Hatzic, Fraser Valley Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93259472/martin-francis-hopkins
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Hello, I'm trying to research my mother's family. Her name was Monica Margaret Hopkins born about 1925, her father’s name was John Joseph Hopkins and listed himself as a farmer, this information was obtained from my mother’s marriage certificate. During wwii my mother worked as a hospital maid at the Three Counties Hospital Arlesey Bedfordshire, England. My great aunty, a Dominican Nun from Tuam, always told me my mother also came from Tuam, Co Galway. Any information would be greatly appreciated.