RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Huntingdonshire => Topic started by: Danchaslyn on Friday 27 March 09 10:32 GMT (UK)
-
:)
Hello
Searching for descendants and any family info on John Ellis and Norah Aitken, of 1920's onwards, River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England, possibly in late 30's, went to live Scotland? ???
John Aitken was a Banker in India and the family lived both in India, possibly Bombay and St Ives.
John was born in India, 1896. Any info on his sister Marjory Grace, b India 1898? ???
Thanks
Danchaslyn
:D
-
:)
Hello
Anyone out there perhaps live in St Ives? ???
Is the property, known as "River View, still there please? A long shot, I know, but I'm presuming its within sight of the river?
The Aitkens kept this house on for decades whilst they travelled to and fro India.
Thank you
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello
As I have ultra slow 'dial-up' internet only, I would be so grateful if someone could please look up Census returns for me, hoping to find more info on Aitken Family of St Ives, Hunting, Doushire, England. ::)
John Ellis Aitken, b. India 1896, seems to have lived both in India and in St Ives, Hunting, Doushire, a possible address I have is "River View", St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England.
His wife is Norah Aitken, and they have at least one daugher, Elizabeth, b.1931? ???
John was a Banker. They may have returned to the UK for good in 1936 and gone on to live in Scotland? ???
Any info very much appreciated.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
There's no John Aitken born India in the 1901 census. The 1911 census index is available at http://www.1911census.co.uk/ , but I can't see him. There are no other censuses available on which he might appear
David
-
The family appear on Ancestry's inward passenger lists quitye a few times,in 1932 they come back from Bombay with Elizabeth aged 1 and a half and Robert aged 7.The address they give here is C/o Thomas Cook London.
Later he seems to be down as James,but Norah is still the same and they have another daughter who I will not name here as it is likely she is still alive.
The last time they are appear on the inwards shipping lists is June 1953 and yes they do have a Scottish address.......76 Hudston Road,Burnbanks,Lanarkshire.
James is down as Inland Water Transport,Norah a housewife and Elizabeth a student.
They travelled in from Calcutta and said they intend to reside in England for the future.
Hope that helps
Carol
-
:)
Hi Bedfordshire Boy
Thank you for your time and trouble....................I'm mystified.........also, have just tried to quote from another section of RootsChat to help us both, but not being very clever with pc's don't know how to move a posting from one section to another.
Anyway, if you can look up in Scotland, Peebles-Shire, Aitken, you will see that Joekar tells me that 1901 Census, John Ellis Aitken, with his sister, were living with their Grandparents in West Linton, Scotland. Both Grandhcildren were born in India.
Much later, in another posting, John Ellis Aitken and his wife Norah and children, return by sea, from India, 1936, arriving Liverpool, heading for St Ives, Huntingdonshire. And somewhere else, someone gave me the address of River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire. :o
I appreciate that they returned from India during 1936, but I think this was their final visit 'home' to settle, as they had been travelling back and forth to India, for years. 8)
As there have been other generations of my family in both Scotland and India, I wondered if perhaps the 1911 Census might show, that prior to the 1920's - 1930's, that they already had their home at River View? ???
John Ellis Aitken, is my Great Uncle's son, I don't know what that makes him to me?
My G Uncle Robert, left Scotland and was a Banker in India, and he and his family went to and fro, so perhaps they had the house in St Ives? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Carol18353
Oh wow, that is so interesting................certainly fits in a lot with what I've been told, but with so many more details. :D
Please tell me as much as you can about them? Anyone you don't want to name, perhaps you might personal message me? ???
I've just replied to BedfordshireBoy and you see from my posting that I've been trying for so long to find out about this side of my family. I've also posted in 'Other Countries' in St Helena, and also in 'Immigrants and Emigrants', and in 'Cornwall' in England (I thought St Ives was in Cornwall! :-X) and Peeble-shire In Scotland, and under another Aitken, in Lanarkshire, some else's thread. :o
Richard Aitken, b. 12/5/1874, another brother of Robert Aitken, b. 11/5/1863 and Thomas Aitken, 4/4/1871 (My Grandfather), went either to South Africa, USA or Canada, I'm still trying to trace what happened to him. ???
They were all born, along with another brother and a sister, Elizabeth, 3/8/1865, Kirkurd, Peeble-Shire, Scotland. :)
Thanks so much for your help. ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Carol18353
Meant to ask, how is it that a person becomes James Aitken, from being John Ellis Aitken? ???
Would that be like a nickname that he assumed? ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
I have a feeling that James and Norah Evelyn were a different couple to John Ellis and Norah in the Immigration records
Scotland is a different census country to England, and as you posted on the Hunts, England board I assumed you were asking for a look up that included Hunts. It would have been helpful to have said you already had him in 1901 in Scotland. If he was still in Scotland in 1911 I don't have access to the Scotland 1911 census.
The 1911 index for England is free. There is no subscription as yet - it's pay per view for everyone who wants to see the transcript/image of an entry. I can't see an Aitken living in St Ives in the index
David
-
Danchaslyn
I will PM you later with more info-in middle of cooking dinner for family coming soon ;)
The ages all tally David,from the first ships list you see them on-1932 and John is listed as John Ellis Aitken -a banker.
I know John's are often referred to as Jack,but James is odd I do agree!
When I have time I will list them all chronoligically(sp?)they give an address of Selsdon Surrey at one stage.
Oops off to sort the dinner out.
Carol
-
Sorry Carol, I don't agree that ages tally. John was born c1896 according to passenger lists; James was younger - b 1902/3 and had a different occupation. That they were two families seems to be confirmed by both families returning to England in early 1936, with there being an age difference of 7 years between John and James
May 1931 from Calcutta to Lanarkshire
James 29 Shipping clerk
Norah Evelyn 26
1932 from Bombay
John Ellis 36 Banker
Norah 32
Robert 7
Elizabeth 1 ½
Feb 1936 from Bombay to St Ives
John Ellis 40 Banker
Norah 36
Elizabeth 5
May 1936 from Bombay to Hoddesden Herts
James 33 clerk
Norah E 31
Elizabeth 4
May 1938 to River View, St Ives from Bombay
Norah 38
Eliz 7
Nov 1847 Selsdon Surrey
James 45 Gov’t official
Norah 43
Eliz 15
Dau 10
Jun 1953 Lanarkshire, Scotland from Calcutta
James, Norah, Elizabeth. Inland water transport
The May 1938 arrival of Norah and Elizabeth ties up with the information that they returned to the UK in the late 1930's although I can't find when John returned
David
-
:)
Hi Bedfordshireboy ......... David
Thanks again for your help. Firstly, to clear up about posting in Huntingdonshire! This family of Aitkens, is large and far flung around the globe, very difficult to trace, as I mentioned previously, I'm having to search in Scotland, England, St Helena, South Africa, India, USA and Canada.
Both John Ellis Aitken, b. India, 1896 and his sister, Marjory Grace, b.1898, India, I assume in Bombay, as that is where my Gt Uncle Robert Aitken, was a Banker. For generations these Aitkens were all living around the Edinburgh area of Scotland, until the late 19C and they took off around the world. 8)
Suddenly, 1901 Scottish Census has John Ellis Aitken and his sister, Marjory Grace, left India, and living in Scotland, with their Grandparents, John & Grace Aitken and their daughter, Elizabeth, in West Linton. :o
John Ellis Aitken, when he grew up, also became a Banker in India, again, I assume, in Bombay, with his father, Robert? I think, the Norah he married, was Norah Jean Kiddle of St Ives, Huntingdonshire? ???
I was given the address of River View, St Ives, but no idea when the Aitkens lived here, hence my enquiry in Huntingdonshire, England, and the English Census look up request.
I also realise that Scotland doesn't yet have the 1911 Census and that look ups in other Census' are free, but, as I said, I have very, very, very slow 'dial - up' internet only, can't download maps, etc, all v difficult.
Again, for all I know, the Aitkens are still in St Ives??? and the Kiddles ? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Bedfordshireboy ...................David
I'm sure with your expertise you will be able to sort out which are the right John Ellis and Norah. :o I'm inclined to agree with you, that John Ellis and Norah are 'my' Aitkens, and not, James/John Aitken and Norah Evelyn Aitken.
My John Ellis Aitken was definitely a banker in India, like his father, unlikely that he was a 'govt official' etc.
Wonder if "River View", St Ives, was a home belonging to Norah's family, possibly, the Kiddles? ??? This could explain why the Aitkens can't be found on the Census at this address!
Having gone through the various folk and ages and dates posted by yourself and Carol, I'm inclined to agree with your view that they are two different families.
Once again, thank you very, very much ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Carol8353
Thank you so much for all your help and hope that you've had a wonderful Easter meal with your family? wonder if you've had a chance yet to pers message me? ;D
I'm finding trying to trace all these Aitkens so difficult, and confusing and the threads in my other sites are so difficult, some of them, to collate and follow. :-[
No one ever seems able to give me any info at all about Richard Aitken, b 12/5/1874, West Linton, Scotland, who also went into banking, but he could be in the USA, Canada, or South Africa? ???
You will see from my previous postings, that I've had the idea that possibly the River View address in St Ives, as Bedfordshireboy says there are no Aitkens there in the Census, might then be the home of his wife, or his in-laws? I think, but don't know for certain, that his wife was Norah Jean Kiddle. ???
If it will help you, please refer to the Aitken thread in Peebles-Shire, Scotland, in Rootschat and you can see who and where, what for etc, John Ellis' parents were.
Many, many thanks
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Hello there
Having looked at all the ships passenger lists in date order I now find myself agreeing with David.They seem to be two different families,and with the latets info from yourself,that Norah may have had the middle name of Jean,just about clinches it.The one on the later trips back from India was Norah Elizabeth and that linked with James and not John does look like it's two different families.
Do you know if they married here or in India? Especially as daughter Elizabeth was born out there?
Carol
-
Mmm does sound as though it was the Kiddle family who came from St Ives.
Births Dec 1899
Norah KIDDLE St. Ives ref 3b page 295
In 1901 the family were at Carlisle Terrace,St Ives,dad Edward was a cabinet maker and upholsterer. Mum was Eleanor and there were 5 kids,Norah being the youngest at that time.
Carol
-
:)
Hello Carol8353 .........Carol
Ok, so it looks like we have the family sorted out then from the passenger lists.........also, wish I did know if they married out in India, or in UK, assume, St Ives?
Thank you so much for finding the Norah Kiddle birth in St Ives, Dec, 1899, do you have a day, in Dec? ???
Oh goodness, do hope this birth date matches up with the right Norah Aitken in the passenger lists????!!!!!! ??? ???
Do you know of "Kiddles" in St Ives? And, so sorry to ask, but in 1911 Census, are they possibly at "River View"?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
They are still in St Ives in 1911- but now they have 8 kids 8)
I cannot see the address-you would need to pay per view to see that.
Norah is now 11
Carol
PS by the way there is no one called Kiddle in St Ives on the 2002 electoral roll
-
The Dec 1899,doesn't relate to the exact month of december,but to the quarter ending 31st December...ie any birth during Oct,Nov or Dec.
Carol
-
Norah sailed out to Bombay in 1923 on a ship called the MARGHA.
Name: Miss Norah KIDDLE
Date of departure: 26 October 1923
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Bombay, India
and blow me guess what her address was at that time ;D ;D ;D
Yep River View St Ives Hunts.
Carol
-
They also gave that same address when sailing out to Bombay on 25 February 1927 as Mr and Mrs John Ellis Aitken.Strangely enough on the same ship-the Margha.
Also travelling with them was Robert Tennant Aitken.No address by his name.
John was 31 and a banker,Norah 27 and Robert 2 and a splodge,maybe an 8?
He has no job listed.Intended place of future abode - India.
Hope that helps.
Carol
Edited to add that Robert Tennannt above was a child age 2,and the splodge was a crossing out!
-
:)
Hi Carol8353 .................Carol
Wow, that is all so interesting! ::)
So, no more Kiddles left by 2002 in the area. Oh and thank you for explaining about Norah being born in I suppose the fourth quarter.
8 !!!!! ;D
Perhaps the St Ives, River View address is John Ellis Aitken's but he only got it after the 1911 Census, to keep his family in when they weren't in India?! :D
Also, how does little 11 year old Norah Kiddle in 1911, get to meet and marry John Ellis Aitken, a successful banker of Bombay, India? :o And, where did they meet and marry?? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Carol8353
My goodness, again, how/why, a single English lady, of only 24, as she was b.1899, sails out alone to Bombay, India????!!!!
And, goodness again!!!! the River View address, do you think the whole Kiddle family could have been there then? ???
Wonder if she went to meet John Ellis Aitken, as if she had already met him in England, or if she met him in India. 8)
It certainly is looking like they may have married in Bombay? Also, surely in those days, age 24 someone would have been quite old, and still not married, even, if about to be married? :(
Just thought of something, I wonder if he was on the same ship in 1923??!!!! ::)
cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
I really must go to bed soon!!!
NO Aitken is coming up as sailing on that ship in 1923.
Because they are listed alphabetically,you can't tell if she sailed with any other married sister or a girlfriend- maybe she too worked at the bank?
My gran was 24 when she marrried in 1923...on easter Sunday in fact ;)
And yes they must have married abroad as she sure isn't on any full index between 1923 and 1927.
night night
Carol
-
:)
Hi Carol
Somewhere, I have a note that they had a daughter, Elizabeth, b, I think, 1931, as well as Robert Tennant, their son.
So, we know that Norah Kiddle married John Ellis Aitken, sometime between, 1923 - 1927, or at least before 1927, as Robert has been born by then.
Oh, just got your new reply and my partner is saying bedtime, bedtime..........we have family for a barbecue to-morrow, early!!!! :-\
Thank you so very, very much, what a joy to have everything you've told me. :D
So, your Gran was married the same age and this weekend! ;)
Thank you for telling me that Norah and John Ellis Aitken married abroad.
Can't wait for Bedfordshireboy to catch up with all this!! ;D
Night night
Danchaslyn
:)
-
I have found that Norah and the kids sailed back to Bombay again on 15 October 1930 traveling on the CASTALIA from Liverpool.
Norah Aitken 30 housewife
Robert T Aitken 5
Elizabeth Aitken 5 months
The address given was River View St Ives.
I am assuming that's where her parents lived?
Carol
-
:)
Hi Carol8353 ..................Carol
Couldn't resist a quick look before the family arrive this morning!!! ::)
And yipppeeee, some more info, thank you. :D I suppose it was usual for Colonial wives and their kids to travel back alone to their home countries from time to time? ???
Think you must be right, that possibly "River view", St Ives is the Kiddle Family home? ???
I know that John Ellis Aitken's parents eventually returned to the UK for good. When they died, (the father Robert first, followed by quite a few years later, by his wife) their obituaries appeared in the Times of London. :'(
I'm sure John Ellis and Norah Jean Aitken and their children, must eventually have also returned to the UK for good, so, if only we could find their last passenger shipping list trip from possibly, Bombay, to UK. ???
And, then, as my family think, that they went on to settle in Scotland somewhere? ???
We've got the most gorgeous, sunny day for a barbecue here in the Highlands! 8)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
You're brave (or daft :P) a barbecue at Easter in Scotland ;D ;D ;D
Have a good day.
Carol
-
:)
Hi Carol
Must be a bit of both..................... ;D
Can even see the snow further up above us!!!! But, SO warm, out of the coolish breeze, next to a white wall of the house. 8)
Had a brill idea, will ask one of the youngster computer boffins visiting to-day, to please help me post links to you, from my other thread sites on RootsChat. I had a quick read and found the bits about John Ellis Aitken and Fam, on a trip.........also trying still to find the bit about the parents' obituaries. ::)
Hee hee we tried to get a Salmon,...............no, not from the river, but from the nearest supermarket, 12 miles away, as a nice touch on the barbie, but, :'(, they sold out!
Partner gone down the track to meet family and ferry them up as they won't drive their cars on our rough track, or the 5 ml single track, full of potholes public road! >:(
So, will say 'bye' till later, thanks again
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Is this the link you wanted me to see?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370337.msg2485619.html#msg2485619
Carol
-
See http://www.roll-of-honour.org/Huntingdonshire/Fenstanton.html for the death of one of Norah's brothers in WWI. The Kiddle's address was River View
See also Kellys Directory 1918 at http://www.fenstanton-village.co.uk/kellys_1918.php where Norah's father is listed at River View.
It looks to me as though this was definitely the Kiddle family home.
David
-
:)
Bedfordshireboy
Hello David
The info you find is just amazing! Thank you so much ;D
You must be absolutely right that "River View" was the Kiddle family home. Is Fenstanton still a suburb of St Ives to-day? ???
How it brings it all to life to be able to take a tiny peek into their village life in 1918, and how tragic, along with so many others, that Norah's brother, Sgt Robert Kiddle, was killed alongside so many others, during WW1, and, at such a young age! :'(
I just wish I could find out, where in Scotland, John Ellis and Norah Jean Aitken and their children went to live, after their last, (whenever it was?) return, from Bombay, India?? ???
Thank you, David
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Carol8353
Hello Carol
Is this the link you wanted me to see?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370337.msg2485619.html#msg2485619
Carol
Yes, you're showing off now....................you can do the links, and I can't,..................yet! :-\
Anyway, yesterday, I couldn't get any of the computer boffs to come into the house, away from the great sunshine 8) to help me do ALL the links to you.....................and, the main person whom I knew would help me, decided to stay home to watch some sport, or other on Sky TV (and what a great Easter barbecue he missed to!!). ;)
So, I'm still none the wiser yet how to do it, but will try send you the others, when next a pc wizard visits! ::)
Hasn't Bedfordshireboy been so clever?! I just love these little insights into how their lives were, all those years ago. :D :D
As I've said, just wish we could find out where in Scotland, the Aitken Family finally ended up living, after their final return from India? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Nothing clever! Just google Kiddle St Ives and all sorts comes up including a Kiddle mayor of St Ives in 1901 (from memory), who is probably related. Kiddle isn't a very common name and my grandfather's sister married one in Herts, not far south of St Ives, but I haven't found a connection to Hunts
Fenstanton is a separate parish a couple of miles from St Ives
David
-
:)
Bedfordshireboy
Hello David
You are to modest, I still think you have been very clever :D
Who would have thought that you also have a 'Kiddle' in the family?! :o
Thanks for telling me about Fenstanton being a separate parish. I wish we knew if the "River View" property still stands, and is still a family home? ???
Please tell me David, have you any advice how to find out where the Aitkens went to live, after returning from India?
You see, I don't know where John Ellis Aitken's parents, Sir Robert and Lady Caroline Aitken settled, when they returned to the UK, to live, after he retired from his banking in India. The only clue was info on one of their ship trips when they appear to stay in a London hotel, perhaps they lived in it, when they went to and fro?
So, I would have thought that possibly their son, John Ellis Aitken and Family, might have settled near to them, but definitely one shipping trip had them going onwards to 'Scotland', but where? ???
But, perhaps the parents had left London by this time and settle in Scotland, in advance of them? Afterall that is where they all originated from! ;)
So many questions.......................?????
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
At http://www.archive.org/stream/countyfamiliesof591919walf/countyfamiliesof591919walf_djvu.txt there's the following bio in the 1919 edition
AITKEN, Sir Robert, Knt.— Cr. 1918.
Fourth son of John Aitken, Esq., of W. Linton, who d.
1913; b. 1863; m. 1894 Caroline Mary, dau. of the
late Theophilus Lobb, Esq., Public Works Department,
India. Sir Robert Aitken is Secretary and Treasurer
of the Bank of Bombay. — Kincllan, Malabar Hill,
Bombay, India ; Bycidla, and R. Bombay Yacht Clubs,
Bombay.
Details of his knighthood can be found in the London Gazette at http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30825/pages/9111. He was dubbed in India
I would look for the deaths of John and Norah to find out where they died, and then try to work backwards. But I have no experience in Scotland at all so can't give you advice there.
And stick to one thread at a time!
David
PS Bank of Bombay was merged with two other banks in 1921 to form the Imperial Bank of India
-
There is some extra info on this thread about this family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=370842.new;topicseen#new
To find all your threads Danchaslyn,just click on your name in blue to the left of the page and then you will see the second line which says Show the last posts of this RootsChatter. Click on that and you can scroll through past posts.
Or better still (as David said ;D) don't post the same thing on too many threads at the same time.
Carol
-
:)
Hello Bedfordshireboy
David
Thank you so much, you have really come up trumps about Robert Aitken and his wife, for which I am very grateful. The links are very interesting and have answered some of my long unanswered questions! ;D
The bit about the banks merging is pertinent, especially as Robert retired from the Imperial Bank of India, in the position of Managing Governor, at a youngish age, but I don't know when, but am wondering if this might perhaps have been 'forced' on him by the ending of the British Raj?! ???
Afterall, we know from his Times obituary that he died, aged 60, in London, i.e. 1923.
Or, perhaps, his son, John Ellis Aitken took over from him? ???
I will certainly take your advice on at least two points, i.e. to try to find the deaths of John Ellis Aitken and Norah Jean Aitken, and to work backwards........................and to try to stick to one thread at a time!
Its such a large family that I thought trying to stick to one generation was ok, but............
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Carol8353
Hello Carol
Thank you so much for alerting me about the new reply about Robert Aitken's inlaws' marriage, especially as I have been wanting to know if this family were already established in India, and now I can see, they were from another area.
I feel really foolish saying this, but my name doesn't come up in blue on the side of the page...........but, I'm really grateful for you telling me what to do, should it do so in the future. Again, when one of my family visit, I'll ask them to look into it! ;)
Also, advice heeded, just like David said as well............... ;D ;D
Carol, would you perhaps know how to start to find details on the deaths of folk, possibly in Scotland? ??? Would you have to know the region in which they died? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Aaaahhhhhhh Carol
No, :-[ how silly can I be!!!!!
As I posted I realised that 'my name in blue' is to the left of my posts and not at the top or sides of the whole page as I was looking at!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Enough said!!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
The only way you're going to get deaths in Scotland is by logging on to the pay per view site http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Unless you're near enough to the Genral Record Office in Edinburgh to call in there in person.
Glad you found your name to take you to your previous postings ;D
Carol
-
If Robert died in London aged 60 in 1923 it sounds as though retirement was forced on him by ill health, or even he died in harness, rather than the British Raj which didn't end until 1947. I wouldn't have thought that the top job in an Indian bank was hereditary, particularly when John was only 27 when his father died
In case John and Norah died in England you need to trawl through the GRO indexes quarter by quarter, which you can do on Ancestry.com if you have a subscription - if not you could consider a trial subscription.
David
-
:)
Hi Carol
Thank you for the link and what a good excuse for a trip to Edinburgh! ;D ;D
Want to go look round the graveyards round West Linton, Kirkurd, Torphichen etc anyway....so will have to plan for soonest. 8) 8)
Have you or anyone had personal experience of the General Records Office in Edinburgh?
Is it something that is done fairly quickly, or do you wait hours and hours? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Bedfordshireboy
Hello David
Thank you and yes, I'd noticed that as Robert had died at such a relatively young age, that his banking career must have been over before usual retirement, or, possibly in those days, 'dying in harness', as many must have done! ;)
With regard to his son John Ellis Aitken, both, started out as bank clerks, his father, Robert, in a bank, I don't know which, in Scotland, when he was only 15 - 16. As they were both bankers, I've wondered if John Ellis Aitken was in the same banks as his father and possibly followed in his footsteps? ???
I looked through all the Viceroys of India, to see which one dubbed Robert in 1918 and it was surprising to see how many men have held that position!
I also read up quite a bit about political conditions round about 1918 - 47, in India, and there were many upheavals, battles being fought, so perhaps, also, living conditions were not quite so cushy as they might previously have been.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
You certainly have a point that possibly John Ellis and Norah Jean Aitken didn't necessarily die in Scotland, or, indeed, ever end up living in Scotland? ???
-
My paternal grandmother, Ellen Lobb, was the younger sister of Lady Caroline Aitken. Ellen was born in India about 1877 but went to a boarding school in St.Neots in Huntingdonshire. I have too much information to include in a simple reply but have photgraphs of their mother, Sophia, and will be happy to provide further info. I am new to this website and am still trying to find my way around!
-
:)
Hello Weech
Welcome, welcome welcome, not only to RootsChat, but to our search for the Aitkens! :D
I am absolutely thrilled that you have appeared! ;D ;D
For many, many years, my family and I have sought info, some, now deceased even travelling 6 000 miles and more, in the days before the www to visit graveyards, to try to trace relatives. :o
I was at the stage where I was about to go searching for the Lobb Family! 8)
I will Personal Message you, also, please click on the blue messages at the top of this site. ;)
Please can you tell me asap how many siblings Caroline and Ellen Lobb had? ???
And, their Dad, as Clerk of Works, in Bengal, I think, what did this job involve? ???
And where were the Lobbs from in the UK? ???
And when did they go to settle in India? ???
I know we have so much to exchange, but these questions, I'm burning for answers! (and all the rest!)........ ::)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Weech won't be able to send or receive personal messages till they have posted 3 times.......so carry on posting Weech.Just reply to this a couple of times and you're there ;D
-
Hello Again Carol
In my utter excitement, I completly forgot that weech wouldn't be able to PM yet!!! ;D
Thanks for your reply and I can hardly wait for weech to tell us something else! :P
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
hi Dan, xxxx
ohhhh how cooolllll, welcome weech,
Dan you are sooooo lucky, im still waiting for any Plants to turn up, lol
kaz, xxxx
-
Hi all,
Don't know a great deal about this but ....
I lived in St Ives in the 1950's - 1970's. My father had a business there. As I remember, the Kiddle family were quite well off and owned a large furniture shop in St Ives - it was a family run affair. I could take you the place the shop was, it's no longer there.
I remember the Kiddle's had a house built on the lower road towards Fenstanton. As mentioned before it's a village about two miles from St Ives. I'm not sure what this house would have been called - unfortunately I live about 80 miles away from it now but do occasionally visit the area. It certainly wouldn't have been around in the early 1900's. I'll try and check it out when I next visit but it wont be before the autumn.
Laurina
-
:)
Hi Mamakaz
Thank you, yes, so cool.....................crossing fingers and toes and everything else for you, that another member of your Plant family will turn up on your site! ;)
Our joint search for Aitkens and all other associated families has been such a journey of discovery together, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart, for all your wonderful support and help. :D
You are a great gal! ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:) xxx
-
Several Kiddle's were Mayors - http://www.stives-town.info/council/history/past_mayors_st_ives.asp
1901 George Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1927 Edward Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1938 Edward Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1939 Edward Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1940 Edward Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1941 Edward Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
1952 Geoffrey Whetnall Kiddle - Borough of St Ives
This article mentions Eric Kiddle who ran the furniture shop - see section 'unsung hero'
http://www.goingtostives.info/News200609.htm
The Kiddles also ran a coach company - http://www.kiddlescoaches.com/
Laurina
-
:)
Hello Laurina
Thank you so much for your info and so wonderful to have a local flavour on this search. :D
Not sure if you know already, but I and others posted some other Aitken/Kiddle info on a Thread I started by mistake in RC, England, Cornwall, St Ives, because before I knew better, I thought St Ives was the St Ives in Cornwall.
I would love you to be able to check out the Kiddle house in the autumn and let us know what you found? Also, if "River View" does possibly still exist to-day? ???
I'm still trying to discover if John Ellis and Norah Aitken and Family, eventually left India for good? ???
And, if so, did they return permanently to the UK, and if so, to where? ???
Any help would be so gratefully received, especially as I have dial up internet only and find it incredibly difficult and sometimes impossible to download stuff, such as shipping lists etc. >:(
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello Laurina
Again, thank you SO much, and how amazing that so many of the Kiddle Family were Mayors! ::)
Thank you to for the link to the furniture shop.......good on you finding it! 8)
I would be absolutely fascinated to know the connection, as to how, John Ellis Aitken, a banker in India with his father, met and married Norah Jean Kiddle of St Ives? ???
Also, I've found out which banks John Ellis Aitken's father was with in India, but not which bank, if different to the ones his father, Sir Robert Aitken, was with in India, John Ellis was with? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello Laurina
I wonder if Jack Kiddle, four years after the St Ives newsletter you linked me to, was published, is still riding his bicycle around St Ives?!! ???
Also, as you say, fascinating about the Kiddle Coaches! :D
Please, when you do visit there in the autumn, will you try to find out if any of Kiddles are still around in St Ives, despite selling off the coach company please? ???
Cheers
Danchslyn
:)
-
It was Eric, riding his bike.... deaths aren't online at this time unfortunately.
I'll PM you an address I found.
Laurina
-
:)
Hello Laurina
The gap, in your listing of Mayors of the Borough of St Ives, Laurina, between Edward Kiddle, and Geoffrey Kiddle, from 1941 - 1952, where there isn't 'a Kiddle as Mayor, could be explained by what is obviously a family tradition by then, that the patriarch becomes mayor, could be explained by the death of his son, Sgt Robert Kiddle killed in action, during 1915, age 20. :'(
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Sorry Laurina
Getting tired..........of course it was Eric, and not Jack, riding the bicycle!!!! :(
Will check out P.M's now.........
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Could well be .... maybe you should trace the Kiddle's too
Laurina
-
:)
Hello Laurina
Would love to trace the Kiddles as well and hoping that weech returns ASAP, so we also can go on the journey of the Lobb Family in India, and before that, where they were in the UK? ???
Afterall, Norah Jean Aitken, nee Kiddle's mother-in-law, was born Caroline Lobb of Bengal, in India! 8)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
The Kiddle's seem to have had their furniture business in Bridge Street, St Ives going back to the 1841 census
Laurina
-
My second message! The India Offce Records at the Brirish Library in London says that you read more on Robert Aitken in Who was Who, Volume II page 11
-
:)
Hello
Many grateful thanks to Laurina for her exceptional help with details of the Kiddle Family of St Ives. Much appreciated! ;D ;D ;D
Can anyone please help and post, when and where it was, that Norah Jean Kiddle married John Ellis Aitken? ???
Did the marriage possibly take place in St Ives, or in Bombay, India, the birthplace and workplace of John Ellis Aitken, although he and his younger sister, Marjory Grace Aitken, did at times, live with their grandparents, John and Grace Aitken, in West Linton, Peebles-Shire, Scotland. ::)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello Weech
Welcome, welcome welcome, not only to RootsChat, but to our search for the Aitkens! :D
I am absolutely thrilled that you have appeared! ;D ;D
For many, many years, my family and I have sought info, some, now deceased even travelling 6 000 miles and more, in the days before the www to visit graveyards, to try to trace relatives. :o
I was at the stage where I was about to go searching for the Lobb Family! 8)
I will Personal Message you, also, please click on the blue messages at the top of this site. ;)
Please can you tell me asap how many siblings Caroline and Ellen Lobb had? ???
And, their Dad, as Clerk of Works, in Bengal, I think, what did this job involve? ???
And where were the Lobbs from in the UK? ???
And when did they go to settle in India? ???
I know we have so much to exchange, but these questions, I'm burning for answers! (and all the rest!)........ ::)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
Hello again weech, welcome back
Please will you try to answer my questions from my post above...........I'm longing for the answers.
Also, weech, thank you for your post about Robert Aitken,.................
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
My third message! I have obtined a copy of the marriage certificate of Theophils Lobb and Sophoa Virginia Gordon from the India Records office of the British Library. They were married in Rawal Pindee in the North West provinces, that would be near the Khyber Pass, in 1867. They were then living in Peshawar. WIll reply in length by email shortly.
-
:)
Hello weech
That's wonderful your third message, now you can receive and send Personal Messages. What I don't know, if the one that I sent you yesterday, if you will have got it now, or if it was lost, because you hadn't yet posted 3x? Please let me know if you have it, if not, I'll send it again. ;)
Also, your India Records Office of the British Library is turning up trumps for you, well done! ;D ;D
So, Theolophilis and Sophia's marriage certainly took place in far flung regions of India, and I assume this was because of his Clerk of Works job? ::)
So, Sophia was from a Gordon family, I wonder if they were Scottish? ???
Can't wait to receive your email...........
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
The Kiddle Household in the 1911 Census - You'll have to pay to view it and check all the children belong to the family. I thought Decima was an interesting name - maybe a 10th child but unfortunately I can only find 9! If you paid too view you might see if other children had died.
Robert Kiddle b.1895 is with this family in 1901- don't know where he disappeared too - that makes 10 children
KIDDLE EDWARD M 1870 41 St Ives
KIDDLE ELEANOR OSBOURNE F 1871 40 St Ives
KIDDLE WINIFRED OSBOURNE F 1894 17 St Ives
KIDDLE CHARLES EDWARD M 1897 14 St Ives
KIDDLE HAROLD VINCENT M 1899 12 St Ives
KIDDLE NORAH F 1900 11 St Ives
KIDDLE GEORGE M 1902 9 St Ives
KIDDLE GEOFFREY WHITTNALL M 1904 7 St Ives
KIDDLE ENA F 1907 4 St Ives
KIDDLE JOHN EDWARD M 1909 2 St Ives
KIDDLE DECIMA F 1911 3 Months St Ives
Opps I didn't line them up very well, sorry.
Laurina
-
Check out the phone books . . . I've looked at a few years
R Kiddle and Son are in the 1911 Phone book - Furnisher removals St Ives
Still there in 1923 - R Kiddle & Son - Removal, Haulage Contractors - St Ives
Still there in 1932 - Removals
Still there in 1946 - Removals
There in 1957-1975 - Furniture, Removal & Storage at Bridge Street, St Ives
Also Kiddle's Coaches - Luxury Coach Hire - 10 East Street, St Ives
1975 Kiddle's Taxi's 10 East Street + several Kiddle private numbers in area
1984 All still there
Geoffrey W Kiddle appears in the phone book between 1951-1978
Laurina
Laurina
-
SGT ROBERT KIDDLE
Sergeant 952, 1/7th (City of London Battalion, London Regiment.
Killed in action, 25 September, 1915, age 20. Born, resident, enlisted St Ives. Son of Edward and Eleanor o. Kiddle, River View, St Ives, formerly 44, 5th Battalion, Bedford T.F. Commemorated on the Loos Memorial, Pa de Calais, France
Danchaslyn
-
That's brilliant, atleast you've found River View - I've been through all the 1901 Census and can't find this house. Bridge Street, where the Kiddle's had their business leads up to the river, but I wouldn't have thought you could view it from that property.
Laurina
-
Hi Laurina
Yes, hi and thanks for both your previous posts.........so hooping that when you return to St Ives in the autumn that you will be able to find River View!!! ::)
At least I know now that it wasn't a house that John Ellis Aitken bought, it was definitely a Kiddle house! ;)
With regard to Decima, yes, what an unusual name and I had such a ;D as I imagine its something like short for Decimal, i.e. 10!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello All
Please check out:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370853.msg2453724.html#msg2452724
Cheers
Danchaslyn
Edited by Danchaslyn, thanks to Carol's advice, hope this link works now?
:)
-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/ondex.php/topic,370853.msg2453724.html#msg2452724
The link doesn't seem to work- perhaps you could re-check and post link.
-
Hello Aghadowey
Oh, third time trying to reply!!!! Such pc battery problems this morning, and each time, I finished my reply and tried adding some smileys, whole message has disappeared! No more smileys!!
Anyway, so sorry, a typo occured in the link, of course, 'ondex', should be index!
I originally erroneously started the thread on the England, Cornwall Board, as I thought that the relevant St Ives, was in Cornwall, and not the St Ives, in Doushire, Huntingdonshire.
Krisesjoint, the Moderator for Cornwall, very kindly moved this thread to 'General Completed Requests', I'm not sure if that is still in Cornwall, or in a general area?
It would be great if if could be linked to this thread in some way?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
Hello All
Have a burning curiosity to know exactly how fellow RootsChat Member 'weech' and myself are related, however distantly?!
I'm aware there are relationship calculators on the www, but I'm unable to download any due to ultra slow 'dial-up' only internet.
Please would some kind fellow member post the answer?
Myself, I'm the grandchild of maternal, great uncle's, younger brother.
Weech is the grandchild of my great uncle's, sister-in-law.
i.e. my maternal grandfather, the Rev Thomas Aitken's older brother, Sir Robert Aitken's wife, Lady Caroline Aitken's (nee Lobb, India), younger sister, Ellen Lobb's, son's offspring, is fellow RootsChat Member, weech.
???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
Danchaslyn
To correct the link go back into that reply and click 'modify'
You can then change ondex to index ;D
Add the word edited or added at the bottom to show it's been corrected or Aghadowey's next post will look silly ;)
Carol
-
Hi Carol18353
Aah, Carol, thanks for that........I've wondered for ages how members edit their posts. How silly can one be, I should have noticed the 'Modify' button before!!!!
But........I got all excited when I saw there was a reply from you, as I thought you had worked out the distant relationship between weech and myself!!
Frightened to use the smileys now, as they jinxed me, and both yesterday and to-day, at times when I clicked on a smiley, they deleted my whole reply!!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
Yep the link works ;)
Well done!
If you have a very long post to submit,and your internet connection is a bit iffy. Type it up as a word document first and then copy and paste it in.
Press control and V together.
Saves you worrying about losing it and having to swear at the computer lol
Carol
-
Hello Danchaslyn. I hope you recived my email and found it useful. As to whether we are related- I can't work it out!
-
:)
Hello Weech
Thank you SO much for your email, I'm busy with the reply, as I post here! ::)
Just had a quick check here to see if our relationship had been solved, before I sent my reply to your email............perhaps, if I checked back and found the relationship calculator posted, you could make an attempt? ;) I think the relationship calculator details were given on another board, on RootsChat, (which I was going to refer you to, later to-day, along with some of my other "Aitken" threads), ........
Author, Mamakaz, Scotland, Lanark, "Charles Bruce Aitken".
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Hi Danchaslyn
Pleased to see you received my email. I am away for the weekend but on my return I will post my info on this site as it may be of interest to others and I will try to answer some of your questions. I will also organise photographs but this might take a few days but I promise it will be done!
Weech
-
:)
Hello Weech
Wish someone would help us work out our very complicated relationship???!! ???
Also, have a great weekend away and am so looking forward to hearing from you upon your return. 8)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Hi Danchaslyn.
Had a look at your complicated relationship to Weech. As far as I can see you are not related at all. Both you and Weech are 2nd cousins to Robert Aitken and Carøline Lobbs grandchildren. You on the Aitken side and Weech on the Lobb side.
Sombody correct me if I,m wrong.
Mary.
-
:)
Hello Mary
That's very, very interesting, and I thank you. I realise that weech and I are related by marriage and I phoned and asked a friend in a distant town, to attempt to do what you have just achieved. ;)
The results were inconclusive as apparently it was almost impossible to try to match up myself as a great niece/nephew of Sir Robert Aitken, and weech being a grandchild of Sir Robert Aitken's, wife's sister! ;D
Well done, Mary, and it will be interesting to see if someone else concurs.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Helo all and thank you for all your contributions. I was born in India in 1945, my father, John Cecil Gordon Walsh was born in Allahabad in 1906, and his father, Cecil George was also born in Allahabad in 1881. He married Ellen Lobb, sister of Caroline Aitken, in 1900. That was about as much as I knew although my father's papers had reference to Marjorie Grace Aitken, his first cousin. She married George Elliot Bleck in Bombay in the 1920's From your information it appears that John Ellis Aitken from St Ives was also a first cousin. Our family returned from India in 1948 to Bedford, not far from St Ives
Weech
-
:)
Hello Cousin weech ;)
How absolutely fascinating your early life in India must have been! 8)
And thank you so much for connecting your paternal grandmother Ellen Lobb, through her sister, Lady Caroline Aitken, nee Lobb, to us. ;D
How fortunate that your father had info in his papers on Marjorie Grace Aitken, and she is of course, the younger sister of John Ellis Aitken (son of Sir Robert and Lady Caroline Aitken of Bombay, India).
Both Marjory Grace Aitken and John Ellis Aitken, as children travelled backswards and forwards from India - Scotland, and spent a lot of time growing up, being educated by their grandparents, John and Grace Aitken of West Linton, Scotland.
How very interesting that Marjory married and became Mrs Bleck.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
As per kind info from "weech"...........
Cutting from The Times of India, undated:
The wedding of the week in Bombay has been at Malabar Hill of Marjorie Grace Aitken, daughter of Lady Aitken, and the late Sir Robert Aitken, to Lieutenant Charles Elliot Bleck of the 2nd Sherwood Forresters.
Wedding dress is then described and mention is made of the wedding being held at the All Saints Church.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Marriage cert of Theophilus Lobb shows his father as Ellis Goode Lobb. They appear on the 1851 census aged 8 and 44 respectively living at 148 Cheapside, London. That is between St Pauls and the Bank of England. His father is described as a Hosier and presumably had a shop there. Ellis was born in Islington and his wife, Anne Mary, then aged 48, is said to have been born in Gosport. They appear to have been comfortably off as they had a housemaid and a cook. Some of the shop workers also appear to have lived there. However did Theophilus land up in Peshawar?
Weech
-
:)
Hello weech
What mysteries these searches throw at us! :)
Yes, just how did Theophilus get to India and be doing what he did?!
Also, is it safe to assume then that the Lobb family were English then?
Interesting that about 90 years after Ellis Goode Lobb's birth, his son, Theophilus' daughter Caroline, incorporates the Ellis family name in her first born son's names, .......John Ellis Aitken. ;D
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello
Especially for Laurina.........knowing how fond you are of St Ives and having such wonderful knowledge of the area........
"Weech" said that his grandmother, Ellen Lobb, whilst living in India, was educated at boarding school in England. Can you imagine the sea voyage?! 8)
Ellen Lobb attended Prospect House, school, in St Neots, Huntingdonshire. I'm wondering if her elder sister, Caroline Lobb also attended this school? ???
And, if this school is still in existence to-day, either still as a school, or as something else? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hello Weech
Please may I prevail upon you to upload that marvelous Relationship Calculator and see if you can post how both yourself and myself are related? ??? !!!!
And,
how you are related to "baitken"? ???
and,
how I am related to "Baitken"? ???
Many thanks
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Hello Weech
Please may I prevail upon you to upload that marvelous Relationship Calculator and see if you can post how both yourself and myself are related? ??? !!!!
Question was already asked-
Hello Weech
Wish someone would help us work out our very complicated relationship???!! ???
And answered-
Had a look at your complicated relationship to Weech. As far as I can see you are not related at all. Both you and Weech are 2nd cousins to Robert Aitken and Carøline Lobbs grandchildren. You on the Aitken side and Weech on the Lobb side.
I realise that weech and I are related by marriage and I phoned and asked a friend in a distant town, to attempt to do what you have just achieved. ;)
The results were inconclusive as apparently it was almost impossible to try to match up myself as a great niece/nephew of Sir Robert Aitken, and weech being a grandchild of Sir Robert Aitken's, wife's sister!
-
:)
aghadowey
To clarify:
With the inevitable passing of time, both "Weech" and myself
have far more familial data to hand. With the currently
available facts it is NOT impossible to work our our relationship.
As stated many times previously, myself not having the luxury
of the availability of broadband internet facilities, it's not possible
for me to download and utilise the complex relationsip calculator
that "Weech" has at his disposable.
Hence the question, which I can assure you, was not posed again
through a lapse of my memory, although you deemed it necessary
to point it out, as if it was, and in public, not privately, as per PM.
Secondly, "baitken" a newcomer to RootsChat has an even closer
relationship to myself, than mine to "Weech".
I thank you for your interest and post, but would have appreciated some constructive and positive input, not your putdown.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
I wasn't putting you down but just pointing out that the question of your relationship to weech had already been discussed. If you haven't internet access then the old-fashioned way of figuring out the relationship with pen and paper would work. :)
-
:)
-
Danchaslyn-As I see it, my father's aunt was Caroline and he is therefore a first cousin of Baitken' father. This would make Baitken and myself second cousins. Your mother's uncle was Robert which would make her also a first cousin of Baitken's father. Similarly, you and Baitken are second cousins. So we are both related as second cousins to Baitken but not to each other. QED! The OED definition of a second cousin is the 'a child of one's parent's first cousin'. Does that make it clearer or have I confused things even more?
Weech
-
:)
Hello Weech
I knew I could rely on you to bring crystal clear clarity, where previously it was akin to peering through opaque glass.
Whilst I agree, that both you and I are second cousins to "baitken", I still maintain that you and I, also are cousins, to which degree I do not know, and how many times removed, I do not yet know.
Rest assured, we shall find the answer!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:) :)
-
:)
Hello baitken
You have posted in RC, Mid-Lothian, Grace Aitken, nee Tennant, with a small reference to the Kiddle family. As I'm aware that Norah Jean Aitken, nee Kiddle was your maternal grandmother, and there is so much "Kiddle Information" on this thread, I'm hoping you will read this here. ::)
Also, thank you for confirming you have a sister. I had discovered that she is Elizabeth Aitken and is five years younger than you are.
Also, confirmation from yourself, as I thought, that John Ellis Aitken, was left in the care of his paternal grandparents, and although born in India, 1896, was taken to Scotland, and educated in West Linton, then Edinburgh, whilst living with John and Grace Aitken and his aunt, Elizabeth Aitken.
Was his sister, Margery Grace Aitken, b, India 1898, also brought to Scotland to live with her grandparents, aunt and brother, or was she brought up separately, in India? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
-
:)
Hi Carol8353
My goodness, again, how/why, a single English lady, of only 24, as she was b.1899, sails out alone to Bombay, India????!!!!
And, goodness again!!!! the River View address, do you think the whole Kiddle family could have been there then? ???
Wonder if she went to meet John Ellis Aitken, as if she had already met him in England, or if she met him in India. 8)
It certainly is looking like they may have married in Bombay? Also, surely in those days, age 24 someone would have been quite old, and still not married, even, if about to be married? :(
Just thought of something, I wonder if he was on the same ship in 1923??!!!! ::)
cheers
Danchaslyn
Per courtesy of baitken:
JOHN ELLIS AITKEN during WW1 was in the Sappers & Miners, and after the war, he was sent to St Ives, to be demobbed. It was here he met Norah Kiddle, and later, after his return to India, they were married in India.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
:)
:)
[/quote
-
:)
For the above post:
Please see new info, after mention of 'per courtesy of baitken'.........
Experiencing slight techno hitches >:(
-
:)
Per kind courtesy of baitken:
Elizabeth Aitken[b, daughter of John & Grace Aitken, b. 3 Aug, 1865, left West Linton, and the drapers shop, after the death of her mother, Grace, and she, and her father, went to live in Edinburgh.
Margmo1 recalls as a child, shopping with her mother, in the same shop, which was now owned by Mrs Polly MacPherson, and run with her husband, son and sister-in-law.
The Aitkens drapers shop, which was at 9 Deansfoot Road, still stands to-day, and is a bookshop.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
:)
Hello
Searching for descendants and any family info on John Ellis and Norah Aitken, of 1920's onwards, River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England, possibly in late 30's, went to live Scotland? ???
John Aitken was a Banker in India and the family lived both in India, possibly Bombay and St Ives.
John was born in India, 1896. Any info on his sister Marjory Grace, b India 1898? ???
Thanks
Danchaslyn
:D
-
Hello Ethelredtheunready
Are you perhaps an Aitken descendant?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
;)
-
Merchiston Castle School Register 1833 - 1913
Second edition July 1914. Edinburgh: H&J Phillans & Wilson, 86 Hanover Street
Page 171: 1910.
AITKEN, JOHN ELLIS (B.3), [1ST Jan. 1896], (P. 1908), xv., xi ; VI. Form . Bank of Bombay, Bombay, India.
"P. 1908" would have been when JE entered the Prep School.
JE Aitken is mentioned as a member of the football teams 1912-3 and 1913-4 (pp.192-3); cricket team 1913 (p.192); and winner of the Hope Prize for modern languages 1913 (p.182). JE's younger borther, Robert Gordon, was also at the school as was the brother of his future (1st) wife, Margaret Carfrae.
Page 178: 1913.
AITKEN, ROBERT GORDON (D.3), [9th Aug. 1899], (P. 1909), 23 Findhorn Place, Edinburgh.
CARFRAE, ROBERT (D.3), [3rd Nov. 1899], (P. 1909). 13 Chamberlain Road, Edinburgh.
-
Weech, I've been reading your information re the Lobb family. All fascinating. Anna says that she was always told that Lady Caroline's family originated in Cornwall. Is that before the generation in Islington and Cheapside, I wonder?
Regarding Marjorie (I have a photo of "Margory" holding Robert Tennant (5 months) and her Mother named on back in Robert Gordon's handwriting) she really is someone who danced with the Prince of Wales. Anna has been telling me that when the future Edward VII was visiting India, Sir Robert and family were on the guest list. Madge, as she was always known, was sent back to the UK to get new dancing shoes. I was well known that His Royal Highness didn't dance with girls taller than himself. She had several dances with HRH and he sang to her songs from the musicals on the terrace.
She met her husband, Lieut. Charles E Beck of the 2nd Sherwood Foresters in England (not Bombay) and Lady C arranged for the wedding to be back in India where they could have a high-society ceremony. GW
-
Hello Geowin
Your post No: 103 with details of both brothers, the elder John Ellis Aitken, and the younger, Robert Gordon Aitken, at school, together, in Edinburgh, is so interesting and quite priceless to have such family details. Thank you.
Also, that Robert Carfrae, brother of Robert Gordon's first wife, Margaret Carfrae, was with the two brothers, at the same school. Without firsthand family knowledge, one would never have known that!
Prior to both brothers' "high school days" at Merchiston, in Edinburgh, whilst staying with their Aunt Elizabeth Aitken, (their parents' living in India), they, with their sister Marjorie, had been raised, since very young, by their paternal grandparents, John and Grace Aitken, in West Linton, near Edinburgh.
All three siblings, did, I think, attend, the local primary school, in West Linton.
-
hi to whom it may concern,
My name is Jack Kiddle i am the great grandson of Elanor and Edward, I remember my father telling me that his father lived at river View. There has always been Kiddles living in st.Ive's and probably always will be. my grand mother Jean Kiddle still resides there, so does my father. all my family moved to new zealand in 2001 then again to Australia a few years later i`m not too sure of my ancestry but i know Edward is my Great grandfather cause i remember seeing it on his grave. he was Edward Kiddle my grandfather was Jack Edward Kiddle my father is Frank Edward Kiddle and i`m Jack Edward Kiddle. if you still have any questions i will try my best to find them out. my email is (*) I'm a wrestler lol
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
-
Hi Jack and Welcome!
How very nice to hear from you... ;D
When youve written here three times well be able to send you msgs into your Inbox.
The alhabet letter after o is not working for me, so cant write as I would wish to.. :-\
Until another times, cheers
Danchaslyn ;)
-
ok thanks for that i`ll try and keep in touch
-
:)
-
Hello!
My family are from St Ives, and I recognise the surnames Kiddle and Aitken. I am more than happy to take photos of Bridge Street and East Road if you would like these for your records, although I don't know where River View is unfortunately! The Norris Museum has some fantastic records:
http://www.norrismuseum.org.uk/
as does the local library:
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/libraries/directory/st_ives_library.htm
As the Kiddles family are so prominent in St Ives, there are likely to be newpaper records for when different members of the family were elected as Mayor, and information on the businesses.
If you would like me to look anything up for you, just let me know! :D
-
My second message! The India Offce Records at the Brirish Library in London says that you read more on Robert Aitken in Who was Who, Volume II page 11
I have followed these pages with some interest as my mother was the daughter of Cecil George Walsh, by his second marriage. His first marriage, as you would know, was to Ellen Lobb. I was born in India, in Jubblepore.
-
Hi Weech,I have followed these pages with interest, as I think we have a grandfather in common, in other words Cecil George Walsh was my grandfather also. My mother, Myrtle was his daughter from his second marriage to Lilias Gibson-Miller. Peacey
-
Hello, if you need to see an image, River View Inn,
go to Google, type in the Postcode, for this property, it
is Eairth, on the River Ouse, not St Ives, which is only up the Road,type in
postcode which is PE28-3PP, hover mouse over the Green Bushes, and
rotate the points of NORTH, SOUTH, EAST,and WEST,
this must be your property you are looking for,I have
some records for St Ives, and been checking for your family,
but have not got very far, if anything.Margaret.
-
Hello Magslote
Unfortunately River View was eventually demolished and I understand two houses built in its place, one currently occupied by close descedants.
Baitken has all the accurate details.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions. :)
-
Hi Weech,I have followed these pages with interest, as I think we have a grandfather in common, in other words Cecil George Walsh was my grandfather also. My mother, Myrtle was his daughter from his second marriage to Lilias Gibson-Miller. Peacey
Hi Peacy
Ellen Lobb was my Great Uncle Robert Aitken's wife, Caroline Lobb's sister.
Both Weech and Baitken have a wealth of info on the Lobbs. If you've not already read, try reading some of my other posts on the Aitkens as the Lobbs are mentioned there as well.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
-
aliceaevdb :)
Your offer of taking photographs is greatly appreciated.
Once I have found my notes, or Baitken has posted re the demolition of River View, it would be great to view some current pics.
Thank you
Danchaslyn
:)
-
Hello, I read this with interest as my Grandfather, George Kiddle, was one of Norah's brother. River View was a mill prior to being converted to the family home in the early 20th century. I have photos of it as my family lived there in the late 1970's. My mother, Elizabeth is one of George's 4 daughters and my parents and brother and I lived in River View. River view was sold to developers in the 1980's and 4 new houses were built there. Norah's two children with John Aitken were Robert ( known as Bob) and Jeanne. I hope this helps with your research. If you require further info please let me know.
-
Thanks, much appreciated.....Peacy
-
Hi,
I read with interest about the kiddle family from St Ives, My husband family are connected to this family. Going back further a harriet Kiddle born 1807married a Edward Bailey and emigrated with their family to New Zealand. During WW1 his grandfather William , his Uncle Wallace, and his father Len stayed with norah Kiddles family while on Leave.Norah and her sister Winnie wrote to their sisters in New Zealand and I have copys of these Letters.Robert Kiddle died in 1916 aged 23 in France, George enlisted at 14 and served 8 Months, Charles enlisted at 17 and suffered Shell Shock in Gallipoli, vincent enlisted at 16 and was gassed in France I Have a photo of this family which I will try to Post carol Dawn
-
i cant seem to send the photo sorry but if you want to see it email me on *
Caroldawn
(*)
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
-
Hello,
I work at Floods Tavern Pub in st ives Cambridgeshire. We are looking into the history of the building and what shops its used to be before the pub and any other history we can find.
Today i was told by the Huntingdonshire archives that in 1974 the building was occupied by Aitken Limited, Electrics.
I have found that chat and wondered if any of you knew if this is a connection to the Atkin family you have been looking into.
If anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Carl