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Hi there Ros
GRANDMOTHER; CLARICE DAVIES B 1920 MARRIED A THOMAS FORD-HORNE
GT GRANDFATHER ; TITUS DAVIES B CIRCA 1883 POSS CARDIGAN WALES MARRIED A MARGARET JANE WALL CIRCA 1901 SHE WAS BORN MERTHYA TYDFILL GLAMORGAN
THAT IS ABOUT ALL KNOW
THERE ARE VAROIUS BROTHERS AND SISTERS FOR BOTH GENERATIONS BUT NONE OF THESE HAVE BEEN VERIFYED SO I AM AT ALOSS WHAT TO DO
I HAVE BEEN ON FREE BMD AND 1881 CENSUS BUT IT SEEMS A VERY COMMON NAME AND THE LANGUAGE AND PLACE NAMES ARE HARDLY READABLE TO US FOREIGNERS HA AH
I AWAIT FOR REPLY
If Titus was born c1883 – he would be about 7 or 8 in the 1891 census.
I have just put Titus Davies in the 1891 census on line; it came back with 25 matches – of which there is only one 7year old born in Cardigan. There is also a 7 year old born in Glamorgan and an 8 year old born in Carnarthenshire.
There are 9 people with the name Margaret Wall (but none with Margaret J Wall) in the 1891 census – and none with a birth place of Merthya Tydfill - assuming she is about the same age as Titus, there are two 7 year olds and one 9 year old.
Any further clues as to which Titus or Margaret it may be?
Chris in 1066Land
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Hi there Ros
Have re-visited the people mentioned above on the 1891 census for Wales.
Unfortunately it has not thrown up any further proof that any of those mentioned could be your ancestors.
None of the Titus Davies found had a twin sister or siblings named Rebecca and Sarah.
Had another look for a Margaret Wall now we know her age to be nearer 11 - sorry there were non.
Up to now, I do not seem to be pressing the correct buttons; but possibly a letter to Cardigan College may bring forth some further details.
Chris in 1066Land
P.S. When you type in capitals, it means you are 'shouting'
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thank yoou again chris , i will try to find out some more info , i think i will have to go right back to the begining and start from scratch and maybe send for a few certificates so i can be 100% sure of all the details .
will come back once i know more
ros
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Jen
I noticed one of your interest names was Sellick.
I have got some way back tracing my Grandmothers line who moved from Tonypandy to Hereford sometime in the 1920s. But am stuck going back from her Grandfather who was John Sellick born 1839 in Colaton Raleigh in 1839 (I think). He married (probably second wife ) Anna Balson in 1874, and they had 4 children all born in Ystradafodwg (Tonypandy between 1875 and 1880). I wonder if this John Sellick crops up on any census earlier than 1881.
On the 1881 John Sellick appears as Jass. Sellick
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Hello I have not got very far with this surname Here is all that I have on the name, the name itself married into my G-Grandmothers line of Hawes:
Robert Sillick was born 1854 in Cardiff Glamorganshire Wales. He married Elizabeth Hawes Abt. March 1886 in Swansea, daughter of John Hawes and? She was born 1854 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
More About Robert Sillick:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Lodger
Census: 1881, Neath Road, Clase, Glamorganshire
Namesake: 1881, on census as Sellick
Occupation: 1901, Plate Layer at tube works
More About Elizabeth Hawes:
Address (Facts Pg): 1881, Neath Road, The Clase, Glamorganshire
Language spoken: 1901 English and Welsh
Occupation: 1881, Housekeeper
Witness to Marriage: December 24, 1884, Witness to Brother John Hawes Marriage to Ann Evans
Children of Robert Sillick and Elizabeth Hawes are:
2 i. Harriet2 Sillick, born Abt. 1887 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
3 ii. Elizabeth Sillick, born Abt. 1889 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
4 iii. Robert Sillick, born Abt. 1892 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
5 iv. Adria Mary Sillick, born December 1893 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
6 v. Minie Sillick, born Abt. 1898 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
7 vi. Reginald Symmons Sillick, born June 1900 in Swansea, South Wales, Glamorganshire.
I will post after this post if there are any
Sellick and variants on the earlier Welsh census returns
;D
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I noticed one of your interest names was Sellick.
I have got some way back tracing my Grandmothers line who moved from Tonypandy to Hereford sometime in the 1920s. But am stuck going back from her Grandfather who was John Sellick born 1839 in Colaton Raleigh in 1839 (I think). He married (probably second wife ) Anna Balson in 1874, and they had 4 children all born in Ystradafodwg (Tonypandy between 1875 and 1880). I wonder if this John Sellick crops up on any census earlier than 1881.
On the 1881 John Sellick appears as Jass. Sellick
There are no matches to the name on the 1841 Glamorgan Wales census
Here is one entry for this variation in the 1861 Glamorgan Wales census:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4038 1861 CENSUS OF LLANDAFF. REF.R.G.9/4038, E.D.21.
Piece: 4038 Folio: 011 Schedule: 084
Address: DIOCESAN REGISTRY
HUCKWELL JOSEPH HD M 56 DIST. REGISTR.PROBATE CRT.
OXF STANDLAKE (c1805)
HUCKWELL CHARLOTTE WI M 54 -
GLA WHITCHURCH (c1807)
STEPHENS EDWARD BL U 71 RETIRED SOLICITOR
GLA WHITCHURCH (c1790)
HUCKWELL CHARLOTTE SARAH NC U 9 FARMERS DAUGHTER
GLA LLANEDARNE [LLANEDEYRN] (c1852)
BEER ISABELLA M. SV U 22 HOUSE SERVANT
GLA CARDIFF (c1839)
SILLICK PHILLIS SV U 17 HOUSE SERVANT
SOM TAUNTON (c1844)
MILFORD ROBERT SV M 38 GROOM & GARDENER
SOM PETTERSTONE [?] (c1823)
MILFORD ANN SV M 36 COOK & DAIRYMAID
SOM BLEADON (c1825)
& this entry:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4038 1861 CENSUS OF CANTON NORTH. REF.R.G.9/4038, E.D.22.
Piece: 4038 Folio: 057 Schedule: 316
Address: SEVERN ROAD
SELLICK CHARLES HD M 41 LABOURER
SOM ASH PRIORS (c1820)
SELLICK JANE WI M 41 STAY MAKER
SOM BISHOP'S LYDEARD (c1820)
SELLICK EMMA DA - 8 SCHOLAR
SOM BISHOP'S LYDEARD (c1853)
YOUNG ANN CI U 24 DRESS MAKER
SOM BISHOP'S LYDEARD (c1837)
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4105 1861 CENSUS OF SWANSEA UPPER. REF.R.G.9/4105, E.D.17.
Piece: 4105 Folio: 045 Schedule: 185
Address: GREEN HILL ST.45
LLOYD MARY HD W 62 GREEN GROCER
GLA SWANSEA (c1799)
SELLECH ELIZA LG W 33 -
GLA SWANSEA (c1828)
WILLIAMS MARGARET SD M 27 -
GLA SWANSEA (c1834)
SELECH EDWARD LG U 6 -
PEM HAVERFORDWEST (c1855)
SELECH MARY JANE LG - 4 -
- AT SEA (c1857)
& This last one (had to cut some of the entry due to the length of return, can give details if needed)
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4042 1861 CENSUS OF ST.BRIDES-SUPER-ELY & CAPEL LLANILTERNE. REF.R.G.9/4042, E.D.1.
Piece: 4042 Folio: 002 Schedule: 003
Address: PALLA
SELICK ANN SV U 19 NURSE[MAID]
SOM TAUNTON (c1842)
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Greetings, I just found out about your site and was looking at the images that you had. My inquire is about a Mr David Rees married to Elizabeth Thomas. David was born 19 Feb 1821 to a John and Mary Rees. David and Elizabeth married 16 Feb 1846 Cardiff, Carms. Any history you may know of or whaere to turn would be much appriciated. ;D
Thank you,
Noel
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Greetings, I just found out about your site and was looking at the images that you had. My inquire is about a Mr David Rees married to Elizabeth Thomas. David was born 19 Feb 1821 to a John and Mary Rees. David and Elizabeth married 16 Feb 1846 Cardiff, Carms. Any history you may know of or whaere to turn would be much appriciated. ;D
Thank you,Noel
Dear Noel Thank you for your posting. Due to the popular Surname of Rees. Is it possible for you to answer these questions to narrow down the search?
Where was David born in 1821?
What was John Rees (David's Father) occupation, at the time of David's birth?
You also list Cardiff in Carms. I know you may have typed this in error but Cardiff is in Glamorganshire, with some records held in Monmouthshire
If you can answer the above I may be able to help you more :D
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Hi Welsh Jen,
I have a Gwladis Charlet Evans who died 19 September 1968 who married Lewis Williams who died 24 March 1935.
I have know idea when they married but their issue are:
Florence Hilda Williams b 17 September 1908 Memhyt (should it be Merthyr) Tydfie Gelligaer ( Free BDMs) Vol 11a page 762.
Haydn died 1941 Palestine, killed in action WW II
Ronald b 1915
Leslie died at the of age 2 or 3 yrs.
Kind Regards
Tweedie :)
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Hi Welsh Jen, I have a Gwladis Charlet Evans who died 19 September 1968 who married Lewis Williams who died 24 March 1935. I have no idea when they married but their issue are: Florence Hilda Williams b 17 September 1908 Memhyt (should it be Merthyr) Tydfie Gelligaer ( Free BDMs) Vol 11a page 762.
Haydn died 1941 Palestine, killed in action WW II
Ronald b 1915 Leslie died at the of age 2 or 3 yrs.
Kind Regards Tweedie :)
Hi Tweedie, yes the birth reference sounds like it should be Merthyr Tydfil. With regards to finding more information out on the family. I seems that the couple had their children between 1908 - 1915. The years 1905 - 1908 may be a good timeframe to start searching for Gwladis and Lewis' marriage if you still cannot find their marriage then broaden the years when searching.
There are a few Lewis Williams in the Gelligaer region in the 1901 census, but it will be quite costly to purchase credits to check all the likely candidates. You say Lewis died on 24th march 1935, do you have a rough age for Lewis?, if so you may be able to narrow down the search in the 1901 census:
Name Age Where Born Administrative County Civil Parish Occupation
Lewis Williams 1M Glamorgan Bedlinog Glamorgan Gelligaer
Lewis Williams 2 Glamorgan Gelligaer Glamorgan Gelligaer
Lewis Williams 10 Glamorgan Cardiff Glamorganshire Gelligaer
Lewis Williams 22 Glamorgan Dowlais Glamorgan Gelligaer Colliery Engine Driver
Lewis Williams 23 Glamorgan Merthyrmawr Glamorganshire Gelligaer Engine Fitter Above Ground
Lewis Williams 25 Glamorgan Gelligaer Glamorgan Gelligaer Coal Miner Hewer
Lewis Williams 49 Tir Y Capel Farm Glamorganshire Gelligaer Farmers Son
I found some entries for a Gwladys but I am unsure if these are likely candidates as I have used Gelligaer to narrow the search results:
Gwladys Evans 3M Glamorgan Bedlinog Glamorgan Gelligaer
Gwladys Evans 3 Glamorgan Bedlinog Glamorgan Gelligaer
Gwladys Evans 13 Glamorgan Gelligaer Glamorganshire Gelligaer Attending School
I would think if any the last one is the most likely candidate!
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Hi Welsh Jen,
Thank you so much for the lookup. It will give me something to work on. :)
Kindest Regards
Tweedie
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Hi, My Glamorgan interests :
HOPE
Sarah Ann - born Jan 1851 in Nelson Llanvabon = PROTHERO John
Mary Ann c 1849 b Llanvabon / Llanfabon
Emma c 1848 Llanvabon
Benjamin b Merthyr Tydfil 1847-1868 no children
Emma Jane b 1871 Merthyr T = CAMPBELL Alexander 1868 Scotland
PROTHERO / PROTHEROE
William John 1873 Merthyr Tydfil = DAVIES Matilda
John Prothero c1874?
David Prothero c????
Mary Ann aka Polly 1876 MT = WILLIAMS Benjamin
Elizabeth aka Lizzie 1879 MT = PUGH Richard
James aka Jim c1880 MT - Ran a Colliery Choir
Sarah Ann 1885 MT
Thomas 1888 - 1919 = FOSTER Sarah Jane
Ann 1890 - 1985 = SMITH David Charles
One of the girls died in a house fire along with her children. The husband survived and remarried.
Possibly? Sarah?
Mary Anne JONES born c 1862-67 Merthyr Tydfil Father David JONES a Collier.
Married in Llanelly Brecon in March 1884 aged 22. Husband Charles SMITH born c1860 in Blaenavon. His family owned 'The Goldiggers' and 'King David' in Brynmawr.
Reyz
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Hi, My Glamorgan interests :
HOPE
Sarah Ann - born Jan 1851 in Nelson Llanvabon = PROTHERO John
I found a Sarah Hope in the 1851 census in that area. Is this one yours?
2457 1851 CENSUS OF QUAKERS YARD ETC.(PART OF LLANFABON PARISH). REF.H.O.107/2457 E.D.2C
Piece: 2457 Folio: 162 Schedule: 158
Address: TRAMROAD HOUSES
HOPE WILLIAM HD M 25 SAWYER
BRE HAY (c1826)
HOPE MARY WI M 25
BRE HAY (c1826)
HOPE EMMA DA U 3
GLA LLANFABON (c1848)
HOPE MARY ANN DA - 2
GLA LLANFABON (c1849)
HOPE SARAH DA - 1
GLA LLANFABON (c1850)
& here is the above family in 1861:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4066 1861 CENSUS OF FFORCHAMAN (PART). REF.R.G.9/4066, E.D.18.
Piece: 4066 Folio: 080 Schedule: 117
Address: CATHERINE ST.
HOPE WILLIAM HD M 36 SAWYER
BRE LLANFRYNACH (c1825)
HOPE MARY WI M 33 -
HER - (c1828)
HOPE BENJAMIN SO U 12 SCHOLAR
MON PONTYPOOL (c1849)
HOPE SARAH ANNE DA U 10 SCHOLAR
MON PONTYPOOL (c1851)
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Yes Jen thats my lot
Thanks a lot for that :)
best wishes
Ryz
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::) Welsh Jen, Hope your having a wonderful holidays.
John Rees (Davies or Davis)
bn - abt 1795 - Llanegwad, Carms.
died - 19 Feb 1855 - Llanarthney, Carmarthen, Wales
Mary Rees
bn - abt 1786 - Abergwily, Carms.
They had 7 children and David Rees was the 7th.
List of other brothers and sisters in the order that I have.
1) Mary (David) 2) John (David) 3) Eleanor (David) 4) George (David) 5) Elizabeth (David) 6) Daniel (Davies) 7) David Rees (Davies)
As you can see I have no idea as to the last name, it goes from Davies to Rees to David. If i remember correctly I read the John worked in the mines.
David Rees (Davies)
bn - 19 Feb 1821 - Capel Dewi, Llanarthney, Carms., Wales
cr - 8 Apr 1821 - Llanarthey, Carms.
Elizabeth Thomas - (daughter of William Thomas and Jane Jones)
bn - 16 Apr 1816 - Fontygary, Penmark, Glamorganshire, Wales
cr - 12 May 1816 - Penmark, Glamorganshire
David's 1st child
Edwin Davis (Rees)
bn - 16 Nov 1856 - Abergwawd, Aberadere, Glamorganshire
died - 24 Nov 1856 - Abergwawd
David's 2nd child
David Rees (Davis)
bn - 1844 - Aberadere, Glamorganshire
David's 3rd child
Emma Rees (Davis)
bn - 20 Aug 1851 - Merthyr Tydfil, Aberadere, Glamorganshire
I hope that this information can help. I have a feeling that some of the dates may be wrong, but this is what I have to go by right now. I appreciate all your help.
DavisRees
Happy New Year, 2005
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My interest is in the family name Martin, particularly from the Bridgend area (Coity, Merthyr Mawr, Coychurch), and the surname now is extremely widespread across the British Isles - had a real problem sorting out which Thomas Martin was mine in the earliest, 1837-onwards GRO registers.
However, although there is a thriving Martin family history society, I have yet to come across anyone else tracing Glamorgan Martin's, or even Welsh Martin's for that matter.
But I HAVE found the Glamorgan Family History Society extremely helpful and obliging, and getting copies of early 18th/19C Wills from Aberystwyth has been very straightforward and rewarding matter - and very reasonable indeed.
Keith
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My surname interests in Glamorgan are
COLES Cardiff and Caerphilly ,
BASSETT Pendoylan ,Vale of Glamorgan
DAVIES Gelligaer .
Jan
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I forgot to mention at the time that about 3 weeks after I posted my cry in the dark about no other MARTIN interest for Wales, a fellow Rootschatter contacted me off list with a large amount of information on MARTIN's he was tracing, though there was not an obvious connection - not yet, anyway.
That's what's so amazing about this website...
Keith
p.s. I learnt quite a bit about the woollen industry in the 18th C. in S.Glamorgan from the Martin wills I had copied and sent to me from Aberystwyth. They called themselves "Tuckers", rather than "Fullers".
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I have just found a connection between my ROSSER ancestors of London to Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire and now to Glamorganshire.
William ROSSER married Martha HANCORNE 26 Aug 1740 St. Hilary. Their eldest child, Henry ROSSER was c. 4 Oct 1741 at Llanblethian and died 1812 in London.
A HANCORNE researcher has been extremely helpful in providing HANCORNE ancestry but doesn't have much information about this ROSSER family.
I have found the following wills for children of William and Martha (HANCORNE) ROSSER -
1. Henry ROSSER d. 1812
2. Richard ROSSER d. 1847
3. Mary ROSSER d. 1842
4. Martha Eleanora (ROSSER) HOARE d. 1843
5. Frances ROSSER d. 1833
From the wills I know that another sister had a daughter named, Elizabeth WATKINS who married Edward BRADLEY 1811 in Cowbridge and another sister had a son named, John MILES who had a son also named John MILES and 2 daughters, one of whom was named "Ciss"/Cecil/Cecilia MILES.
Other children of William & Martha ROSSER are said to be:
William ROSSER c. 1 Mar 1744 Llanblethian
Thomas ROSSER c. Feb 1744 Llandow
Cecil/Cecilia ROSSER -
John ROSSER bur. 2 Apr 1755 Llandow
Elizabeth ROSSER c. 21 Sep 1755 Cowbridge
Jane ROSSER c. 5 Jul 1757 Cowbridge
John ROSSER c. 20 Mar 1760 Cowbridge
So now I am seeking information about ROSSER families residing in Glamorgan.
Susan41
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my surname interests are
Evans ;D
particularly descendents of thomas and dorothy evans (was morse) who originate in north pembrokeshire and ended up in aberdare.
chidren ;
martha 1853 henrys moat pembroke
john 1854 as above
david 1857 Llansamlet
evan 1859 Llansamlet
james 1862 aberdare
william 1866 aberdare
george 1869 aberdare
i am descended from john who took on his mothers maiden name as a middle name becoming john morse evans and had 10 surviving children.
9 of whom emigrated and the only one to remain was cadwalladr morse ivan evans (living blackmill)whose line i am descended from.
i would love to trace any other descendents from thomas and dorothy or from cadwalladr.
have been in contact with 1 of my expatriate cousins already.
chris
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Many thanks