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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Tervid03 on Wednesday 25 March 09 09:24 GMT (UK)
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Elsie Mildred Fleetham was born in Darlington on the 7 Nov 1895 and according to the 1901 census was living in Zetland Street, Darlington which was in the parish of St Paul.
If possible please, would some kind person have a look at the parish records to see if her father's name is listed, her mother was Elizabeth Fleetham so the name of the father may not be entered! Elizabeth's father wouldn't allow her to marry the father of the child.
Thanks in anticipation
Terry
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The easiest way is to get the birth certificate from Darlington Registrars. As sometimes they are not batised so not in parish registry.
If you look at Darlington registry office online you can order it from there.
JR
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Hi Terry,
As you have the date of birth, I assume you have her birth cert. which would allow the father's name to be entered if he was present when it was registered. If his name wasn't entered then I doubt if a family baptism would have his name as there is little scope in the register for additional information at that time, especially if there was a family objection to the father.
Regards,
Colin
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Sorry Terry, I have had second thoughts and think you are trying to locate a father which wasn't noted on the birth cert. so want to explore every avenue for his name.
I'll check for a baptism and hope it comes up trumps, but I'm not sure when that will be.
Regards,
Colin
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Yes, this is really clutching at straw time!
The person in question was brought up as a daughter by her grandparents, although this contridicates the 1901 Census as it states her as a granddaughter!
Regards
Terry
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The other question is then did Elsie marry and was a father mentioned on the marriage certificate.
Also where was her mother Elizabeth living in the 1891 census, St Paul's parish or a different one.
Also the grandparents might be in a different parish from where she was.
So Colin would have to look at all parishes.
Just trying to make it easier for him.
JR
JR
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Thanks for pointing that out, Jolly Roger.
Just rechecked 1891 census and it appears that Elizabeth could have been recorded in either St Paul or Trinity Parishes. I cannot find Elizabeth in the 1901 Census which would have useful to the quest
The family lived in or around Zetland Street area well into the 20th century
Thanks
Terry
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Looking on Darlington RO website, I see a Elizabeth Fleetham marrying in 1904 at St Paul's Church, so if it is your Elizabeth it could give you an idea of where she was living.
JR
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JR
That is correct, she married Mr Burton, a barber, then they moved to Seaton Delavel and lived on the premises, from family knowledge.
Thanks
Terry
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Hi Terry,
I'm not sure if I'm doing you any favours with this but Elsie Mildred was baptised at St Paul's Darlington on 19th Feb 1896, daughter of Elizabeth Fleetham of 30 Zetland Street, no occupation shown.
BUT..... the parents were shown as James & Elizabeth, with James crossed through ???
There was only one parent with the name of James on that page, and that was for a week later. I got a copy of the page, so if you would like it I can send a scanned copy if you PM your email details.
Regards,
Colin
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Hello Colin
Thank you for your help and image sent via Pm, it is very much appreciated, I wonder whether I can impose further on your generosity as I have further checked the 1901 Census for 30 Zetland Street and have drawn a blank on a James living there.
Seeing that the census is 5 years on from the baptism, I wondered whether the tenant's of that house had altered in the following years?
Does the Darlington RO have any Kelly's or similar directories for that period and if they have would it be possible to check out 30 Zetland Street for me?
Please don't worry if you are unable to do so as I very much appreciate your help thus far. The question of Elsie's Father has been a family query for many many years.
Thanks again
Kind regards
Terry
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Hi Terry,
The entry of James is quite a stickler, isn't it? Was it an honest slip of the pen or did Elizabeth name the father, or did the vicar mistake the godfather or someone else as the father and start to enter his name? What a conundrum you have. I said that I didn't think I was doing you any favours!!
I'll see what I can find for the address over those years, perhaps electoral registers will be the best bet.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Terry,
Electoral registers show that Samuel Harris was living at 30 Zetland street 1900 - 1907 (I didn't check any further ) but while I was checking the 1903 I noticed that there was an Anthony Fleetham at 3 Zetland Street who remained there up to 1908 and beyond (still there in 1913). I didn't go back before 1903 for him.
Does Elsie's birth certificate confirm the birth at number 30 or was it a mistake on the baptism?
Regards,
Colin
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Hello Colin
Anthony was Elsie grandfather and can confirm that the 1901 census shows Anthony living at 3 Zetland Street, I was just thinking maybe Anthony wouldn't have Elizabeth living under his roof after she had a child out of wedlock! and that perhaps the actual father lived at 30 Zetland Street with Elizabeth.
No James Harris according to 1901 Census at number 30!
I am clutching at straws!
Thanks for taking the time out to check for me, will check out the birth cert when I get sight of it again.
Regards
Terry
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I don't know if this will make any difference but in 1905 and 1906, Eleazar Harris (same spelling in both years so no typo's) was shown as occupier, and Samuel Harris of the same address was his landlord.
Colin
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Hello Colin,
Have had a look at the Birth Certificate of Elsie Mildred and it is 30 Zetland Street, same as the Baptism Register.
Father's name not entered at all.
Now this is the straw which broke the camel's back!
Is it possible as one last ditch attempt to see who was living at 30 Zetland Street about 1895/6, perhaps.
I really cannot think of any other options and think this mystery will remain unsolved!
I cannot thank you enough for the effort you have put in to help me with this problem
Regards
Terry
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Hello Terry,
I'll certainly do what I can because I know exactly how you feel. My gt-Grandad's circumstances are exactly the same, born out of wedlock and raised by his grandparents, but you are fortunate enough to know who the mother was. I have a good idea who mine was but cannot find any solid evidence as she seems to have disappeared after that.
One thing that I have decided on with my gt-Grandad is that he was raised by the Cruddace family and I don't really care who his biological father was as he had nothing at all to do with his upbringing and education, or the shaping of his character, so he was 100% a Cruddace in my view. I'm pleased to say that he did quite well for himself.
Regards,
Colin
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But Colin, Do you have your relative birth certificate at all as surely that will give his mothers name.
I know what you are both going though as one of mine who also ended up in Darlington also has no father mentioned at all, but by getting his birth certificate and some other good fortune kow more about the family.
So don't give up I hope you find thing out by good fortune like me.
JR
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Terry,
Zetland Street -
1895, 3 is Selby Fawcett, 30 is Adam Aitcheson
1896, 3 is John Ellerton, 30 is Adam Aitcheson
1897, 3 is John Ellerton, 30 is Anthony Fleetham formerly 17 Dublin Street
1896 Anthony Fleetham, 17 Dublin Street
JR,
Thanks for the moral support. I have the birth certificate and his mother was Elizabeth Bainbridge. Although the Crudace family were in Bishopton and surrounding area my gt-Grandad was born in Ovenden near Halifax and he was named John Crudace Bainbridge. There are no family links to Halifax, and there are no families of Crudace or Bainbridge in that area. His grandparents' eldest daughter was Elizabeth who was born just before they were married and she was baptised in her mother's name which happens to be Bainbridge. I am fairly sure that she is the mother but whichever way I look at it there are unanswerable questions.
Best wishes to both,
Colin
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Hi Colin,
Thanks very much for your very prompt attention to Zetland Street, the families seemed to change houses nearly as often as I change my shirt!
Looking at the census around about that date doesn't yield any obvious candidates for Elsie's father.
I think I shall leave this on hold for the time being and take a fresh look in the future.
Many thanks for your help, and hope someday that you may find some of the answers to your gt grandad.
Kind Regards
Terry
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Sorry, I cannot help with the father of Elsie. However, Elizabeth is the sister of my grandmother Agnes Maud born 1879. I have Elizabeth in the 1901 census as a housemaid at the vicarage in Gilling in Yorkshire. She married Arthur Wensley Burton in 1904 in Darlington and died in Seaton Delaval in 1962.
Have you traced the ancestors of Elizabeth. I habe Anthony born 1850, his father Michael born 1816, and his father Thomas. If you have anything at all on them I would much appreciate it.
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I haven't gone down the route of any individuals other than Elizabeth but I have recorded that Mary Agnes Fleetham married a John Lee or a William Lasky in the September Quarter of 1903, the Certificate Register number being Darlington Vol 10a Page 40 but you probably are aware of this anyway.
Also have Anthony and Michael in the Census of various years too, you can view these online with Ancestry down at you local library
Regards
Terry
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Mary Agnes married John Lee in 1903. She then married William Henry Underwood (my grandfather) in Darlington in Dec qtr 1912 (ref 10a 20).
I have the census entries for Anthony and Michael but could not find them in 1851
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No! I couldn't find them in the 1851 census either!
regards
Terry