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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: A.Enting on Tuesday 24 March 09 11:51 GMT (UK)
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Mary Annie Calverley was the daughter of my GreatGrandfather Frederick Clarkson Calverley. She was born in Darlington in 1876 (AKA - Polley). My cousin's daughter (only recently met :)) and myself, have a copy of a diary of my GGrandfather's and it seems he and his daughter had a falling out and lost touch. Mary Annie's mother died when Mary was a very little child and her father never quite got over his wife's death.
Mary Annie left home in her teens and I think I have found her on the 1901 census working as a barmaid in Newcastle (Frederick Clarkson Calverley's mother had family in Newcastle).
From The Diary, it appears Mary Annie's brother - Frederick William Calverley (in the Navy - my Grandad who I never met) wrote to their Dad trying to effect a reconciliation - to no avail.
I would dearly love to know what became of Mary Annie Calverley. Did she marry - does she have decendants out there who I would so love to get in touch with, I have lots of info to share and The Diary is a sad story which may shine some light on how the family came to be seperated.
I hope Mary has a descendant out there who may recognise her in this. Mary's Father came from Mickley in West Yorkshire, to work at the North Road Engine Works in Darlington, where he met and married Annie from Aycliffe - just North of Darlington.
Thank you anyone who can help - Angela
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Despite it appearing to be a fairly unusual name, FreeBMD has about 6 possible marriages for a Mary A(nnie) Calverley!
It will be expensive to send for all certs to see if fathers name and occupation match up for any, but I dont know how else you will know if any (or none) are her.
It does mean there are several girls around with this name, which will make being sure of finding her on censuses harder too.
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Hi Lizdb
Yep - it is a tough one - that is why I am pinning my hopes on a decendant - otherwise I shall just have to start checking certificates..... working geograpically out from Newcastle! I would so like to find her though - I have found out so much else...
Many thanks for your interest
Angela.
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Hi Anglela
Have you got a post on another site, as there is a person seeking info on
Frederick W Calverley b.1872 Durham Yorkshire
just a thought :)
Pete :)
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Hi Pete.......No, I have no other posts re Frederick William Calverley, but I do know a lot about him for a Grandad I never met. Could you point me were to look for this post please...many thanks- this could be good :) :)
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Hi Angela
I haven't been able to find Mary Annie on the 1911 census. Have you by any chance?
Pat
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Hi Pat,
No nothing found yet. - I think she may be married by 1911. Short while ago I found a handfull of possible marriage records, but it has been a busy time here and I have not got far with looking at these more closely.
I am off to Egypt tomorrow morning and will be back in a week - May is going to be another busy busy month but I have promised myself some serious research time - records office trips and getting all my files organised. I want to get a lot done on the tree this summer and hopefully Mary Annie will appear in my searches.
Talk soon.
Angela.
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Hi Angela
Enjoy yourself in Egypt.
Pat
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Hi Angela
Just to make a note of what I have researched.
Tried 1911 census for Mary Annie Calverley-nothing jumps out. There are 69 results for Mary Calverley.
Looked at all Mary Annie's born c1876 Darlington have downloaded them but again nothing jumps out.
There are spelling errors in the transcripts so Mary Annie might still be recorded.
The diary extracts don't really give me any clues to what happened to Mary Annie.
Pat
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Thank you Pat.
Now that I am back from holiday and my daughter's birthday celebrations are almost behind us I am going to get back to some serious research. A short while ago I found some marriages of mary / mary annie so I will start by working through them to try to identify which if any are our mary.
Also, I think I mentioned I had proved through parish and other items/records the calverley ancestors through to Nathaniel Calverley who married Jane Wells in Hampthwaite, Yorkshire on 5th May 1675.
So in a very few weeks I am going to Leeds record office to do some research and in hopefully a couple of weeks I am going to Hampthswaite village to see if I can find any trails or clues - there may be a library and I can check gravestones if any a still readable etc. The Calverleys where in Hampsthwaite a while, in occupations like Weavers, Lorrimers, cloggers and labourers. Our line then took up Carpentry and moved to the nearby locations of Spofforth and on to Mickley (where Frederick Clarkson Calverley was born who then moved to Darlington where my Grandad was born). According to the 1841 census a branch of the Calverley line stayed in Hampthwaite, So I am hoping I may find something by way of a clue.
Will keep you informed if I find anything.
The above villages are not far from the village / town of CALVERLEY which lies between Leeds and Bradford. It is thought the Calverleys all came originally from there and there is a lot of information to be found but I want to trace the tree myself as proof of our line.
A large Calverley family lived in CALVERLEY for some 600 years at a small 'Hall'. We visited it last year and found a 'Pedigree' in the local library which was very useful.
Talk soon - kind regards and regards to Kenny.
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Hi Angela
I think you are best looking for Mary Annie, it's a case of cross referencing the names.
Good luck
Pat
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Thank you Pat.
Now that I am back from holiday and my daughter's birthday celebrations are almost behind us I am going to get back to some serious research. A short while ago I found some marriages of mary / mary annie so I will start by working through them to try to identify which if any are our mary.
Also, I think I mentioned I had proved through parish and other items/records the calverley ancestors through to Nathaniel Calverley who married Jane Wells in Hampthwaite, Yorkshire on 5th May 1675.
So in a very few weeks I am going to Leeds record office to do some research and in hopefully a couple of weeks I am going to Hampthswaite village to see if I can find any trails or clues - there may be a library and I can check gravestones if any a still readable etc. The Calverleys where in Hampsthwaite a while, in occupations like Weavers, Lorrimers, cloggers and labourers. Our line then took up Carpentry and moved to the nearby locations of Spofforth and on to Mickley (where Frederick Clarkson Calverley was born who then moved to Darlington where my Grandad was born). According to the 1841 census a branch of the Calverley line stayed in Hampthwaite, So I am hoping I may find something by way of a clue.
Will keep you informed if I find anything.
The above villages are not far from the village / town of CALVERLEY which lies between Leeds and Bradford. It is thought the Calverleys all came originally from there and there is a lot of information to be found but I want to trace the tree myself as proof of our line.
A large Calverley family lived in CALVERLEY for some 600 years at a small 'Hall'. We visited it last year and found a 'Pedigree' in the local library which was very useful.
Talk soon - kind regards and regards to Kenny.
You mean the Old Hall!
To save a trip have a look here:
http://calverley.info
or have a look around here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk (Find Leeds West Yorkshire and look at St Peter's church baptisms)
Brian
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hello Brian - thank you for the post - been away and busy - just got to read it. Visited CALVERLEY last year - yep, it is Old Hall - very nice too. I have found lots on the Calverley info pages of help.
Just had a look at your leed into Genuki - but I'm lost. Could not find your leed, but it is very late and I am very tired, so I will have a good look around the site tomorrow... I hope.
Many thanks again for your contact. All help always appreciated. Off to snooze now.
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Click on the link below, you should find that easier.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Leeds/index.html
Regards Brian
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Thank you Brian,
Checked the records but cannot find the one I need. In this earlier time frame it is the birth of Nathaniel Calverley I really need to establish and his parentage - circa 1647. Supposedly in the Hampsthwaite/Pannal/Swinton/Kirkby Overblow area. Hmmm - just a bit vague on this ??? but all I have to go on. I shall keep trying 8). Many thanks for the link. kind regards. Angela.
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Hi Angela
there is supposed to be Nathaniel chr. 1647 at Kildwick son of Tho. & Deborae
Pat
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O'k Angela, it's me again.
Nathaniel married Jane Wells in Hampsthwaite 5th May 1675.
Tried looking for a birth but nothing on site.
Although I found a couple of burials for children of Nathaniel.
Regards Brian
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Just a quick note.
Looking at Hampsthwaite records, be aware that Nathaniel had a son called Nathaniel?
Brian
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Hi,
If I'm looking at the right Mary Ann CALVERLEY living in Cockerton, Durham, (Darlington Registration District) in 1881 she has a birthplace of Skinnergrove, Yorkshire and in 1891 it is Carlin Hors, Yorkshire.
I think these are supposed to be Skinnigrove and Carlin How, Yorkshire. Both are in the Guisborough RD.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06de/
This looks like her birth,
Mary Annie CALVERLEY Mar Q 1876 Guisborough 9d 491
In 1901 her POB is Darlington, Durham which might be because that's where the family she is boarding with knew she was from, rather than knowing her birthplace.
I mention this to help find her in the 1911 census as her birthplace might not be what you expect ::) :)
Regards
Daisy
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hi Daisy
Thank you for your help. It is the right young lady. As far as I know the 1901 census return fits an entry in her father's diary.
I've tried different permatations. It might be she is wrongly transcribed. Or she could have moved out of England & Wales and isn't even included in the census. Or I have missed it.
Marriage & death entries have been transcribed on freebmd up to 1978 for Mary Calverleys & again nothing quite fits.
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Gosh! busy weekend - sorry not to have responded - been out of touch a few days.
HI PAT. Yes, I found the Nathaniel born in Kildwick which is why I have got to find more evidence on the Nathaniel living in Hampsthwaite - who was suppossedly born in the area of Swinton (I think there was a small Hamlet called Swinton near Pannal. The man William Calverley who was father of Nathaniel and is mentioned in records of Pannal Ash had a daughter who died young and is also referred to in burial records as 'of Swinton' .
So this is my problem - to find evidence for Nathaniel born Swinton, near Pannal. Who then appears in Hampsthwaite with a first wife Anne who died in the childbirth of their second child Elizabeth (baby survived). He later married Jane Wells mother of my ancestor.(Hampsthwaite is not too far from Pannal). I toured them all a couple of weekends back.
The above was found originally by another researcher who I cannot get in touch with to establish firmly the source. OR is it the Nathaniel of Kildwick???? Hence my confusion and need to be certain of the facts before going back much further. I am going to try to get to Leeds records office and also need to find more out about the Kildwick chap as a seperate issue to prove or disprove any connection.
Thank you BRIAN. As above - I have the Jane Wells connection and Nathaniel the younger is in Parish Records as died aged 18 and buried in Hampsthwaite, as was his brother George.
Hello DAISYPETAL, pleased to meet you.
Thank you for the info on Mary Annie. The place names get very confusing - I travelled to Darlington recently to trace the family footsteps and the areas do have different 'local' names which also seem to have changed over time.
Mary is variously referred to as born Darlington or Skinnergrove . The reference to Carlin How and Guisborough are new to me so I will keep that in mind. My last trace of her was working as a Bar Maid and lodging in Newcastle (she did have family in Newcastle on her Granmothers side - Clarkson).
I think the most likely is that she married (the search continues ) or died young. Or as you say Pat - moved a considerable distance away.
MENTIONED IN THE DIARY of Frederick Clarkson Calverley: Mary's brother - my Grandad - wrote from overseas (in the Navy) to his father to try to bring about a reconciliation between father and daughter - sadly the father (FCC) thought this 'impertinent' how sad! He died soon after and I guess it was never resolved.
Thank you all for your help and interest. kind regards - Angela.
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Hi Angela
There is William in Pannal Yorkshire has a brood of children- Susanna, Sara, Lydia 1660-1667, Martha, Phillipa.
Is this your William?
Pat
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Hi Pat,
Yes - this is he. I also found the children you mention on the Pannal Parish Registers. However, the Family Tree by Smith - Calverley, which I have used for guidance, also quotes the above and in addition - the following:
My (I think) Nathaniel born c1647 baptised/born (in Swinton nr. Pannal - to be confirmed.)
Anne b.1649 buried, according to Parish register, 7/May/1654 and noted as OFF SWINDON (SWINTON?)
Rebecca baptised 1650
Clare baptised 1652
William baptised 1654
and
Thomas baptised 1658
So far the Smith-Calverley tree has been very carefully researched and he appears to have gone to considerable trouble to use good sources, which is why I want to check thoroughly and find his sources.
The times where troublesome in this period and surviving records are few and haphazard, making this research difficult. So I am very pleased that you have found the above. What source did you find this William on? If it is different to mine I would like to add it to my sources.
I found information on William in a book - The Records of Harrogate - which contain a part of the Pannal Ash (next to Pannal) Accounts. The rest of the Pannal Ash Accounts I have to go to Leeds record office to view and where I hope to find more. William was at times Overseer of the poor and Church Warden in Pannal. The 'accounts' detail wonderful snippets of daily life through the account books of the Parish - paid this for that repair job by so and so......paid this to so and so for taking Mr ? to York etc etc etc.
I am beginning to think I will have to move to Leeds to get enough time in the records office to get to the bottom of this. BUT GOSH I AM ENJOYING THE DETECTIVE WORK :)
Bye bye for now - Angela.
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Hi Angela
The baptisms are off the igi on familysearch also has the 1881 census with Frederick Clarkson listed as a labourer.
Claire was baptised Kirby Overblow, haven't checked the others.
There is a Patrick Smith's tree (the Smith- Calverley tree you mention??) on the site & it looks like no marriage was found for William the guess is 1645 to fit in with Nathaniel guess again born 1647.
It is amazing what you can find out about ancestors.
Pat
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Hi Angela
I can find baptisms in Kirkby (I missed the K out before) Overblow on the igi for
Rebecca 1651, William 1654, Thomas 1658, Lydia 1660 ??
for Pannal
Susanna 1655, Sara 1657, Lydia 1660 ??-1667, Martha 1661, Philippa 1664-1664
father's name given as William.
Looks like there is a double up on Lydia?
Pat
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:) Hello Pat
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly with your source information. You have given me a boost!
It is easy to get bogged down with looking for one source and butting a sore head against the same immovable brick wall. I shall now cast my research net a bit further.
Visiting these locations recently; Pannal is much modernized and built up around (being only just off a major highway into Harrowgate I guess. But Kirkby Overblow and Hampsthwaite appear very much as they have been for ages past. I looked for the Churches and had a wander in the graveyards but of course for the period we are looking at - the stones are long gone or the engraving long since weathered away. It was lovely to walk in the footsteps of and gain a visual perspective of the family's meanderings.
Thank you so much for the info. Take care. Angela.
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searching the same family would love to know what you have found out joanna calverley
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Hi William Calverley, can you give a little more info..is your message from a joanna calverley or are you asking about joanna calverley. I do not have a joanna on my tree - I think - I have been busy with my hubbie's family tree for a while and the little grey cells get muddled! Still cannot locate Marie Annie Calverley. But I believe I have found more on Nathaniel. Being unable to confirm the info on Nathaniel as written on the patrick-smith pedigree.....I cast my net wider and now feel confident that he was born in Kildwick (later moving to Hampsthwaite), I traced Nathaniel's family through the Kidwick (nr.Skipton) parish registers to a Mary Wilson marrying a William Calverley and found a reference to this couple in the Calverley village parish registers under a section on the Calverley family of Calverley. So I now think we come back from Hampsthwaite to Calverley village BUT via Kildwick (nr.Skipton) not Pannel and Rothwell. I have found another family branch, as it appears the Selina Calverley who married Thomas Farmery in Darlington had another child - Lucy Clarkson Calverley. Found purely by luck while studying long lists of names. Lucy sadly died young. ..she did marry and have a child.......the line continued.
Would like to know where you are on the tree, as always happy to talk to Calverley family members, as I missed out so much on knowing the Calverley side of my family for so long. My tree is on Ancestry: Angela's family tree 1 and Angela's family tree. It needs a lot of up-dating though with recent discoveries as I keep most of it on a family tree maker record and a written record. Lots of hand written trees in files! Thank you for contacting me. Angela White :D
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Dear Angela, I am joanna and I am married to Michael Calverley, son of William Calverley, son of frederick Calverley, son of the diary writer. my husband has the original diaries as he is the eldest son of the eldest son etc., Sorry my original message was so short but I thought you may not be on the site anymore. I was thrilled to hear from you. My husband and his brothers and sisters were all brought up in a childrens home and two were adopted, pretty disfunctional!! I really don't know where you are on the family tree and the last thing I would want to do is open a pandoras box but I would be so interested to find out. My husbands sister veronica, who was adopted is also very interested. I like you have looked at the family tree and seen odd dates etc., and have always intended to do the research myself... well the children have left home and hopefully in between grandchildren duties I have time. I think you will have far more information for me than i have for you, I can't even find the diary writers father. I know he was in Leeds and then the family was back in Mickley minus him. Did he die or do a runner?? I know the diary writer was illegitimate. I got as far as you with Mary Ann - Newcastle. I am going to get my fiel out which has lay dormant on the bookshelf and refresh my memory. I would love to know everything you have found out are they related to William, they don't miss an opportunity to lord it over me. I guess my family were peasants!!! Can't wait to hear from you. P.s been to Mickley. Mick changed his name from Brian to Michael years ago another story. waiting in anticipation Jo
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For the attention of both Joanna and Angela.
Since I posted the information on Nathaniel in 2009, the calverley website www.calverleyinfo.com has updated the information on Hampsthwaite and surrounding area.
Just select 'vital records search' and enter just Calverley into surname field, you will find more of your Calverley family.
Regards Brian
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Thank you so much I shall be having a good look on this site I got out my file last night help!!! It may have made sense to me a few years ago but it is an awful muddle, so a snowy weekend predicted, we live in North derbyshire seems a good chance to put it in order! joanna
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dear Angela, puzzling all night, are you Jefferies daughter? If you are then life takes some strange twist and turns. Really looking forward to hearing from you, keep checking my emails Jo or is it Aunty Joanna?
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Joanna - Hi....I know now where we both fit in :D I just so love meeting new relatives. We quite rightly have to be aware on this forum, not to quote living family members full names, so to talk more freely I am going to send you via 'personal message' my contact details (I only live in Lincolnshire ...so we are quite close). I am not clever with these computers so if you do not get my details in the next couple of days..pls tell me through this forum. RIGHT..HERE WE GO..."son of William Calverley, son of frederick Calverley, son of the diary writer"... Your William is my dads older brother! My dad died 30 years ago and was Walter Calverley, living in Sittingbourne, so your husband Michael/Brian is my 1st cousin, so you and I are 1st cousins in-law. To follow the tree up a bit, ('cause I have loads to tell you and cannot get it all on here), your William and my Dad Walter...are children of Frederick and Kate Calverley. William had a brother Walter who died in London about 23years old and a sister Mary Annie, last appears on 1891 census in Darlington and possibly ('Mary A' not 'Mary Annie') in Newcastle on the 1901 census then nothing more known. Frederick Clarkson Calverley was born out of wedlock - thus birth certificate reads -Frederick Clarkson but he took/was given, the name Calverley, as the BAPTISM record names him Calverley and his mum - Mary Ann Clarkson married William Calverley in Mickley, 4 weeks after little Frederick was born. I have the various certificates and certainly, by the various census records she at some point is no longer with William (two more children were born after Frederick...Selina and Caroline. Two other little girls were born in Hunslet and died in infancy. At least Mary Ann returns to Mickley but William dissappears from any record I can find in England. I have searched long and hard over a few years but cannot find another census or a death record for William in England, BUT, a William Calverley of the right age turns up in America - Allegenny, Pennsylvania, at the right time after dissappearing here, and dies about the right time that Mary Ann is listed as a widow - on the next census..coincidence or ?? Also remember his Auntie Elizabeth Clarkson (married to a Goodyear had earlier gone to America, as had one, possibly two of his brothers ! There is so much more to talk about...so I will send you my contact details. The family go from sittingbourne to darlington to mickley to spofforth to hampswaite, and if I am right - to kildwick, and then to Calverley Village. Hope to talk soon, cousin Angela.
THANK YOU ALSO "CALVERLEY LAD" - BRIAN. I have some of the Hampswaite info but will check for more up-dates. Which branch of the family are you on? Thank you for your help. Angela.