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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: miniT on Monday 23 March 09 18:01 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know how close West End, North Dalton is to The Wold, North Dalton, I can't find it on the map. I have just obtained two census forms for different parts of the family and found that they were in North Dalton at the same time. Was there a school in North Dalton in 1871?
For the same area, was there a school in Bainton around 1830 as the father of one family and the mother of the other were both born in Bainton with only three or four years separating them. I wondered where they would have gone to school.
Was there also a school in Kirkburn around 1835, the other parents came from here, both born within a year of each other.
Any information would be good.
Thanks
MiniT
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I have had a look at several maps
1890's and modern
There is a school in North Dalton around 1895
I have access through work to detailed maps of the area, as far as I can see no street is called West End, however although no streets are called East End or South End. I can find postal addresses for both South and East End
See map that follows
The street highlighted in yellow is Main Street
Where it changes to blue the addresses are given as East End, Main Street
Where the pink is, the address is given as South End.
Above South End is the Mere, the school is located in the square just above
I wonder if this was known as West End
If you look at the census forms is there any references to Public Houses or Blacksmiths shops, this may help in narrowing down the location
What is the census reference
I couldn't find The Wold but did find a Wold Farm and a Wold cottage
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The census form for North Dalton that mentions The Wold doesn't mention any other addresses. There are three families marked on the 1871 census (reference RG10/4808 page 19), the families are Witty, Rispin and Grubb, all the occupations are marked as farmers of some description.
The other census form, also for 1871 for North Dalton mentions West End and The Village. The families mentioned on that are the Yorke family at The Village, and the Ransom family at West End who were tailors. The census reference is also RG10/4808 page 14.
If there wasn't a school in North Dalton until 1895 I wonder where would the children from North Dalton and the surrounding villages would have gone to school at the time of the 1871 census?
Thanks for the map, I don't live in that area any more but am looking forward to visiting some of the villages and would love to locate some of the places where the family lived, but if West End refers to an area of the village I probably wouldn't be able to identify where they lived.
Thanks
MiniT
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What I was saying was a school existed in 1895, it could have been there before that date, apologises for the confusion
Will have a look at the records tomorrow
Steve
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Thanks for that. Its much appreciated.
MiniT
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Hi
Had a look at the village of North Dalton 1871 today
Thought it may be possible to trace the enumerators route, but looks rather difficult
There is a school in 1871, at least Joseph Brigham, schoolmaster is living at the school house with his wife, son and a daughter, complete with servant
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Hi MiniT
Did you find out where West End is? My mother (born in N. Dalton) calls the first part of Huggate Road, West End. I have many connections with North Dalton, Bainton & Kirkburn. Do you still have the map someone sent you as I am looking for South End.
Judith
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Hi MiniT
Did you find out where West End is? My mother (born in N. Dalton) calls the first part of Huggate Road, West End. I have many connections with North Dalton, Bainton & Kirkburn. Do you still have the map someone sent you as I am looking for South End.
Judith
I haven't used this site for a while so will have to re-learn what to do. I didn't realise that everyone doesn't see the map that was sent to me so I will put it back on the site if I can. I visited North Dalton after receiving that map, I had a bad back that day so if anyone from North Dalton saw a strange woman hobble the whole length of the village checking out all the houses last springtime, it was me. It is an absolutely charming village. I found out that my mother in law and father in law both had connections with the village and looking into both their family trees I found they shared the same ancestors many generations ago, also in the same villages as you - Kirkburn and Bainton. I guess if we go back far enough we are all related. There were also connections to the Star Inn in 1861.
Mary
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Thanks for your reply and map. I didn't see the map on the site when I posted but did see it after posting. I see there are 2 now. I see one of your surnames of research is Noble. This name is on our tree but through marriage, not a direct line. Hope you found West End on your search through Dalton.
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I think it is probably near to the school and the pond, at the west end of the village - seems logical.
There are Nobles on my tree. I must update my searches as there are more surnames to add such as Witty, Ransom, Pashby and Bell. I found gravestones for people in my family tree in both North Dalton and Bridlington. I find that the ladies in the family tree are so much harder to trace. I did find a row of houses in North Dalton called Ransome Row and wondered if there was some connection to the Ransoms in my family tree.
Hope the map was helpful to you.
Regards
Mary
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I've not found out yet how to add surnames of interest but I also have Ransom(e), Witty and Bell on my tree. My grandma was a Bell. Yes Ransom Row is connected to the family of Ransom(e)s. I was told some of the Ransoms lived at the end house of Ransom Row furthest away from the church end of the village. It seems to vary whether there's an (e) at the end of Ransom or not! It would be interesting to know how you fit into the family!
The map was useful thanks.
Judith
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Hi
just found your sight for Gibson Cherry
I have been looking for the same family for my wife. Her mothers name was May Cherry doughter of Charlie.
Do you Know each other
john l
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Have just started researching my family tree. I have Ransom(e)s and possibly Bells in my ancestry. I have yet to find a link between the Ransom(e)s and the Bells.
Bulmers Directory of 1892 lists George Tom Ransom as a tailor and the Baines Directory of 1823 lists a John Ransom as a blacksmith. (Genuki website)
I would suggest that 'The Wold' that someone mentions is on the road going out of the village towards Huggate (due to some farm names and the fact that this road leads up onto the top of the Wolds [will double check farm names]), as I live in the locality and know North Dalton reasonably well and have local contacts with agricultural backgrounds.
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Found garment button whilst metal detecting yesterday with name of B Ransome of North Dalton on. Can anyone throw any light on this find?
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Found garment button whilst metal detecting yesterday with name of B Ransome of North Dalton on. Can anyone throw any light on this find?
Hi. It could be Bell Ransome who was my great x 2 great uncle. He lived from 1835 to 1916. I have many Ransome ancestors, but Bell is the only one on my tree who's name begins with B.
I now live about 20 minutes from North Dalton.
Judith
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Have just started researching my family tree. I have Ransom(e)s and possibly Bells in my ancestry. I have yet to find a link between the Ransom(e)s and the Bells.
Thomas Ransome married Margaret Bell from Kilham, but there is also a Bell family who came from the Pickering area in the early 1800s to live in Bainton and some of the children then lived in North Dalton, whilst some went back to the Pickering area and some to Hull and some descendants lived in Driffield. There doesn't seem to be a connection between the 2 Bell families from Kilham & Pickering (unless of course someone has found one!)
Judith
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Judith - thanks. How come he was making buttons? Was there a manufacturing plant/shop at north Dalton?
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Judith - thanks. How come he was making buttons? Was there a manufacturing plant/shop at north Dalton?
There were lots of trades in North Dalton during the 1800s and early 1900s, but I haven't heard of a button manufacturer. Bell was a tailor though. Could this be off an army uniform or maybe he had special buttons made to go on one of his handmade suits. Are you wanting to find a good home for it or just looking for information?
Judith
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Judith - it depends on what you mean by a good home. Your explanation seems likely if Bell Ransome was a tailor, particularly if he had a WW1 contract. Is this likely/
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Judith - it depends on what you mean by a good home. Your explanation seems likely if Bell Ransome was a tailor, particularly if he had a WW1 contract. Is this likely/
I cannot find any info on a military record so not sure. He lived most of his life in North Dalton, but died in Bridlington. As for a good home, I didn't know whether you wanted to keep it in your collection or whether you were looking for a family member to give it to. I am in contact with 2 of his great great grandsons and I am a great great grand niece. Just wondered!
Judith
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Judith - happy to send the button. Where to?
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Judith - happy to send the button. Where to?
That's very kind of you. Can we send addresses on here? I shall try anyway.
Mill Close, Keepers Lane, Lowthorpe. YO25 4AU
Many thanks, Judith
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Judith - address noted. Will post. Can you supply your surname please.
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Judith - address noted. Will post. Can you supply your surname please.
Hi. Surname is Benson. Please could you tell me where you found it, unless of course it's a secret place! Thanks again.
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Judith - posted.
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Judith - posted.
Thank you very much for the button. I cannot find any connection between Bell Ransom and Kilnwick Percy, but maybe he was just out for a walk! If I find out more about him I will let you know. Thanks again. Judith
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Judith - If Ransome (note the e at the end as on the button) was a tailor then his products were almost certainly used by agricultural workers, who shed buttons (like us all) regularly during the course of their work. Buttons are a common find when metal detecting, this one is a rarity because it has a name on. He must have been a tailor of note to have special buttons made for certain garments.
John
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And, of course, many farm lads only stayed in place for a twelve month hiring, before moving on to a new employer. Work clothes would be expected to last for much longer than the year in which they were bought.