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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: ness123 on Monday 23 March 09 06:33 GMT (UK)
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:D Hi just wondering if anyone could find any information on the Hibbert Brothers who came from england from 1860 and opened some Hat shops in the Cincinati area.
The Brothers were, Henry, Alfred and John.
around 1870 brother Henry drowned in the New york Harbour i would be very grateful if anyone could point me in the direction on where i could find maybe some information on his death etc.... thanks so much.
Ness ;D
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Here's a starter..
1860 US census, Cincinatti city ( Ward 14)
Alfred Hibbert 33 Hat manufacturer b England
Ann 35 wife England
John 10 England
Rosana 6 Ohio
So .. born in England around 1827, came to US around 1852.
Real estate valued at $1500, personal estate $1000.
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;D Thanks So much Shaunj, how did you find out how much Real estate and personal estate was valued at?
so Alfred obviously had enough money to buy a home.
fantastic.
Ness
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In Droylsden Lane, Droylsden, Lancashire in 1851:
Alfred Hibbert 24 Hatter b Droylsden
Ann Hibbert 26 wife, housekeeper b Almonbury Yorkshire
John Hibbert son 1 b. Chester, Cheshire
HO107/2234 f18 p28
how did you find out how much Real estate and personal estate was valued at?
The values are stated in the US census that year
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wonderful thanks so much!!! :D
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All three brothers are together in 1870 in Bloomfield, Essex Co, New Jersey
Transcribing....
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Here's the 1870 transcription
Bloomfield, Essex, NJ
John Hibbert 45 Hat manufacturer real $5000 pers $200 England
Rosana wife 43 keeping house Connecticut
Elizabeth 16 hat trimmer Ohio
Alice 10 Ohio
Alfred Hibbert 43 Hat manufacturer real $5000 pers $300 England
Ann wife 45 keeping house England
John 19 Hat finisher England
Rossa 16 Hat Trimmer Ohio
Henry Hibbert 40 Hat manufacturer real - , pers $200 England
Susana 40 keeping house England
William 15 England
John 5 Kentucky
Lilly 2 Ohio
Mary Whittington 64 no occupation England
Mary Whittington could be a relative - parhaps of Susana
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Hi Shaunj yes as far as i can gather she was Susannah's Mother.
do you have any idea where i could look for any newspaper articles on Henry's drowning in New your Harbour?
Thanks so much ;D
Fantastic!!
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Shaunj i have an address for where Henry had his shop? this may help?
51 east pearl st, b broadway and sycamore. cincinati
H. Hibbert dealeri n hats and caps, Umbrella's ....... ;D
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around 1870 brother Henry drowned in the New york Harbour i would be very grateful if anyone could point me in the direction on where i could find maybe some information on his death etc....
You could try a search at the Brooklyn Daily Eagle -
http://www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/brooklyncollection/eagle.jsp
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I haven't found anything on Henry's death but I have found the address of Alfred's business in Bloomfield NJ in 1897. It was at 107 Race.
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Thankyou so much. ;) Ness
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Thanks Erato, i had a look but couldn't find anything. ;) Ness
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Ness,
There are a couple of submitted trees on Ancestry. Is one of them yours ( Moran family tree or Ketner family tree) ? I am wondering what you already know, and what gaps you need to fill.
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Hi again Shaunj, yes the Moran family tree is mine.
would really like to find out what happened to Henry Hibbert as he drowned in new york Harbour in or around 1870 and also would like to find out anymore info on their hat shop and if any of the children carried on the business.
Ness :D
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Ness, I may be offline for a day or two but will come back to this.
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no worries thankyou so much. :)
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Alfred's son John in Bloomfield NJ in 1880:
John Hibbert 30 Hatter England
Ada wife 24 New Jersey
Alfred 5 New Jersey
Albert 2 New Jersey
Alfred 52 father Hatter England
Per the IGI, John and Ada also had a son Robert who was born 28 January 1877 in Bloomfield township. More of him later - he applied for a US passport in 1922 and visited Tahiti that year.
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John and Ada in Bloomfield in 1900 - I think Albert must be the Robert mentioned earlier.
John Hibbert 50 born England Jan 1850; 26 years married; came to US in 1853; Hatting
Ada 43 born NJ June 1856; 5 children of which 4 are living
Albert E born Jan 1877 NJ; plumber
Olive A 17 born NJ July 1882
Leonard E 13 born NJ Aug 1886
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Wow Shaunj, thats very interesting, how on earth did you find out that he applied for a US passport!!!! wow you are good.. thanks so much :o
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There are some US passport applications on Ancestry.com.
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Back to Henry's family!
This looks like his widow and children back in Droylsden in 1881
59 Ashton Hill Lane
William Hibbert 26 railway clerk Droylsden
Mary Hibbert wife 25 Droylsden
Harold Hibbert son 2 Audenshaw
Mona Mary Hibbert daur 1 month Droylsden
Susannah Hibbert mother 51 silk weaver Droylsden
John Henry Hibbert brother 16 pawnbroker's assistant USA Kentucky
Lilly Mary Hibbert sister 13 silk winder USA Cincinatti
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Thanks Shaunj, yes that is them, they went back to England after Henry drowned. 1870ish
William Hibbert and Mary are my great x2 grandparents. they came out to australia. ;)
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There's a WWI Draft Registration card for Albert Etchels Hibbert living in East Orange, New Jersey. I can't see the image at the moment, but the transcription says he was born 28 Jan. 1877.
There's also this:
Social Security Death Index
Robert Hibbert
Last Residence: Great River, Suffolk Co., New York
Born 28 Jan. 1877
Died Jun. 1967
SSN issued in New Jersey before 1951
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Fantastic, thanks Shellyesq, where can i have a look at the Draft card? Ness :D
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It's on Ancestry.com, if you have a subscription that covers the US.
Otherwise, here's what it says:
Albert Etchels Hibbert
91 Norman Street, East Orange, Essex Co., N.J.
Age 41, born 28 Jan. 1877
White, native born
Occupation - plumbing & sheet metal worker
Employer - Sprague Electric Co., Bloomfield, Essex Co.
nearest relative - father John Hibbert, 15 Charles D., Bloomfield, Essex Co., N.J.
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Great thanks so much. Ness :D
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hello,
i am wondering if we may be related via the hibbert family.
my ancestor, charles hibbert was born in london c 1791. his trade was a hatter. i have a reason to believe that he married a mary bailey, born in warrington, cheshire 1791. charles died in heaton norris stockport, cheshire / lancs 1855.
they had the following children
george c 1826
elizabeth c 1826
mary c 1828
samuel c 1829
william c 1832
mary (margrand) c 1835.
charles and mary may had another son james c 1814 ? ( i can not remember off hand, as i writing from memory).
samuel's descendants later moved to openshaw, droylsden lancs. i would be very interested to hear from you, very soon.
regards jonny
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Hi Jonny, we could be related? iam just wondering if Joshua Hibbert had a brother named Charles? Joshua was born around1801 Lancashire. Joshua was also a hatter he is the father of Henry Hibbert who is my ancestor?
Because my hibbert's came from Droylsdon England. Then moved to America and opened Hat shops, so we may tie in somewhere alone the line. Ness
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hello ness.
many thanks for your reply.
i have no knowledge if my ancestor charles had any siblings at all. as of yet i have not traced his parents. i know by 1814 he was living in stockport, he married mary bailey there in that year. i had rather hoped, with you researching the names hibbert and bailey, that there may had been a more definite link.... (perhaps via james) between our families. but as yet i feel there is no link. sorry ness. it was worth a try.
so thanks for taking the time out.
my regards jonny.
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no worries, thanks Jonny ;)