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I have been doing research on my family for 16 years now, have finally come across more names in the same area. I have about 10 Family lines that all land in Yorkshire, England. But then there is the areas like Dalton in Furness or Barrow in Furness, or Stockton on Tees or South Bank. I am not sure how these all fall into the Yorkshire area. It is all very confusing to me since I am across the pond. LOL. Anyways if anyone can help me undstand this a little more that would be great. As well as if anyone might have information on some of the following names or think you might ... please holler at me. I am looking for a Michael "Mark" Foley that was Married a Sarah Teasdale, and he worked at the Vickers-Armstrong Shipyards. Only one of their Seven childern came to the US. I have no paternal information on Michael Foley, just that he was born in England and his parents came from Ireland. Also looking for Any Hugills, Parkers (that might have been disowned or have the story of disowning the son that came to the states.) Spelling on Hugill or Parker might be different as well, that is just the spelling that we have now and the spelling that I have found we carry from England. Any help or advice and if you think that you might have any information or you want information on what I have put out please contact me. There is much to share and talk about. Thank you all for your help and information I am grateful.
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Hi lil, welcome to RootsChat, ; :D
I've recently had problems with border villages, one document saying Yorkshire and another saying Durham.
I think they change the borders. ;D
I bought myself a big Road Atlas of Britain, it's wonderful.
You could use MultiMaps; http://www.multimap.com
Or try google images for a county map of Britain, print it out and keep it for reference.
The one I use is called "Counties of Great Britain" and I was able to print it at A3 size.
But the Road Atlas is the best thing I've bought in years, sooooo helpful.
Good luck,
Leonie.
PS, you might like to add "Yorkshire" to the title of your post. You might get some more help.
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Hi
Barrow-in Furness & Dalton in Furness are on the western side of England and nowhere near Yorkshire. Today they are in Cumbria and thats how you will find them in modern maps. Prior to the 1974 changes to counties they were in Lancashire and in most documents relating to family history such as censuses they are Lancashire (or the County of Lancaster as Lancashire was quite often known).
One of the reasons that there appears conflicting information is that parish and diocese boundaries on some occasions straddled county or even country borders so it can cause confusion if you are not familiar with the area. Also the same names are quite often used in different contexts so its not uncommon to find a village, a parish and a Civil Registration District all with the same name but the boundaries are different.
Andy
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Confusing, innit? ;D
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You're not kidding. I was born in Cheshire (now Merseyside) and generally familiar with North West England and North Wales and I have to admit I get confused so goodness knows how people with no knowledge get on. The important thing is to name the source when asking a question relating to a place then at least someone with local knowledge can possibly assist.
Andy
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Vickers had shipyards at Barrow-in Furness on the north-west coast, building warships, etc. In 1927 it merged with Armstrongs, who had yards on the Tyne on the north-east coast. The company was privatised in 1986 and later sold on several times.
The people of Barrow were very annoyed to find themselves changed from Lancastrians to residents of the "new" county of Cumbria (formed from Cumberland and Westmorland), and have made efforts to have Barrow re-Lancastrianised without success. People in Westmorland were equally annoyed to be Cumbrianised, and you find will addresses changed to show their annoyance, for example some residents of Appleby, formerly Westmorland, now Cumbria, now give their address as Appleby-in Westmorland, Cumbria, just to hang on to the old county.
Gillg
p.s. I made up those terms Lancastrianised and Cumbrianised, as I expect you realised. ;D
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As a general suggestion, you should give some dates for Mark/Michael and Sarah, and information on their children if they are no longer living. The same for the Hugills and Parkers - full names and dates.
I did find:
Mark Foley, d. 1924 aged 53, in Barrow-in-Furness district.
Doreen Foley, b. 1914 in Ulverstone district (similar area), mother's maiden name Teasdale.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
- in Ulverstone there do appear to be a family of Foleys:
Mark Foley, 43
Sarah, 38
William, 11
Louisa, 7
John, 4
Ellen, 2
at http://www.1901censusonline.com/ they are indexed in Dalton in Furness in 1901 as "Forly":
Mark, 31, b. Wales Rumney, Labourer Shipyard
Sarah, 28, b. Durham Stockton
Patrick, 5, b. Yorks Granton
Mary J, 3, b. Yorks Middlesbro
William, 1, b. Lanc Dalton
The marriage is indexed at freebmd.rootsweb.com:
Dec 1894 quarter, Middlesbrough district, Vol 9d page 1181
Sarah Teasdale and Michael Fooley.
I think I have found him in the 1871 and 1881 census - in 1871 in Cardiff with his parents (who are both indeed from Ireland) and in 1881 with parents and younger siblings in Liverpool, but it might be best to leave that until his father's name can be confirmed from the marriage certificate.
If the child who went to the US is the son William, he is on www.ellisisland.org, and that gives you an address for his father in Dalton in 1922, and the name of an uncle, William Taylor, already in the US.
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Thank you all so much for getting back to me so quickly. I guess I should have posted more information on here about the family members that I have, I was just so excited to have actually found something that might help. LOL. Sorry. Besides I wasn't sure exactly where to put this bad boy and how to ask the questions that I have. I Know very very little of the England stuff, just as I have said very confusing.
"Michael "Mark" Foley, was believed to have been born in 1871 month is unknown and the year is only a guess with the date of death that I have. He is listed to have died Oct 3 1924 at the age of 53. He was married to a Sarah Teasdale born in 1873 in "Redcar" near some place called Stockton on Tees, and died May 4, 1940 at the age of 67. Michael is believed to have had siblings named Tim and Mary and a Half sibling that they called "Paddy". It is believed he was born in or around Middlesbrough, near South Bank, and that his father and mother might have been from Kilkenney Ireland. Sarah Teasdale was the youngest daughter of a William Teasdale and Jane Hogg. Both William and Jane are believed to have been born in Stockton on Tees, but no dates are Known or are even guessed at as well as deaths. I am guessing that it would have been in the 1840s or some where close to that. Sarah had four brothers and sisters, Robert who moved to Canada, Louisa (no information), John and it was said he was a train driver, and then Alice who never married. Sarah was the youngest and it was said that he father William died when she was a very small child. Micheal and Sarah married and he worked in the shipyards in Stockton on Tees, then they moved because lack of work they moved to Dalton in Furness where Michael went to work for the Vickers-Armstrong Shipyards in Barrow in Furness as a Crane operator. He and Sarah remained there until they died. They Had 7 Children, Patrick "Percy" 1896-1972 and he served in the British Army as a Career solider, Mary "Jane" 1898-July 2, 1946 and she Married a Mr. Clegg and their family some how ended up in Canada, William (my great grandfather) went to work for Vickers-Armstrong Shipyards at the age of 15 and then later came to the states and Married into the Taylor family those of whom they had been friendly with in England, but were not related, Louisa 1903-1990, married a Mr Simpson, but never had any children, Jack "John" 1907-1973 married Anne Doran and had 3 children, Ellen "Nellie" 1909-was still alive in 1992 and I don't have a death for her, though I am sorry to say that I am sure she has passed on, and Doreen was the baby 1914-1988."
I have most the wedding dates and the grandchildren names or great grandkids and their dates and stuff, but when my grandparents traveled over there, they didn't get into going through the records and such and there were a lot of UN asked questions. My Grandfather "William Foley Jr, has now passed on and He had hopes that one day someone would find something." If you have any more Ideas on what to look at or you want to know more please let me know.
I am sorry I have written so much here, I got really excited that someone might have found information that I haven't been able to. Thank you for the hints tips and others. As Far as the Hugills and Parkers... if I didn't over step with this long post then I will through some known names and dates for those lines tomorrow.
Thank you so much
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat!
What surprised me when I started researching the family tree was how mobile everyone was back in the 1800s, which makes it so difficult to trace the family. I assume they were chasing jobs, but they seemed to think nothing of upping sticks and going off to another town
My family also come from the Middlesbrough/Hartlepool area, the former being in Yorkshire and the latter in Durham, Middlesbrough being on the southern side of the river,and Hartlepool on the northern tip. They seemed to spend the whole of the 19th century hopping to and fro across the river, presumably looking for work, and at one time they all went off to Leeds for a few years. Some women who married into the family came from the London area, which came as a great surprise too.
But of course we are talking about the coming of the railways and the industrial revolution, so everything was on the move, I suppose. And in an area like that, with ships coming and going, it would not have been hard for a young man to decide to leave for new shores and a new start.
The Redcar you mention is by the sea, and I spent many happy holidays there as a child, playing in the sand dunes and rock pools. However, Middlesbrough and Hartlepool were heavily industrialised and must have been lively and cosmopolitan. If you put a post on the Durham board in RC, there are people there who I know have a huge amount of info about the area and would be only too pleased to share it with you.
I'll check my tree when I get the chance to see if we have any links; in the meantime, happy hunting!
Regards from a Durham-Yorkshire-Suffolk hybrid,
Greensleeves
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Thank you everyone for the help on where to start looking again. I have found that people have moved around so much and so often that a ten years span has the person in different countries or different states if they are state side. I decided that I was going to throw up some of the Hugill information that I have for those that are in england. As far as my Parker line I only have the father being listed as being in England on the census and it was listed as Yorkshire. No dates or names.
So Hugill's:
John Charles Hugill - b. July 25 1878 in Batersby, Yorkshire .. d. Marion, OR, USA.
-------Father- Joesph Hugill - b. 1850? Kildale, Great Ayton, Yorkshire .. d. ? Dec 16, 1933? Marion, OR, USA
Father- Thomas Hugill - b. 1819 ? Kildale, great Ayton, Yorkshire
Mother - Mary ?? b. 1822 ?? Little Ayton, Easby, Yorkshire .. d. 1855 Yorkshire
--------Mother- Mary Wrightson b. 1853 ? Ingleby Greenhow, Carlton, Yorkshire .. d. Jan 02, 1936 ? Marion, OR, USA
Father- Charles Wrightson b. 1829 Rainham, Norfolk, England ... d. Jan 29, 1917 Marion, OR, USA
Mother- Hannah ??? b 1827 Alnham, Ingleby Greenhow, Yorkshire .. d. Aug 19, 1910 Marion, OR, USA
Thanks all, these Again all areas of Yorkshire that I have never even heard of and then I look at it and I cant make sense of it. Here in the states, You can find people by city, state, and some times the county that the city resided in. But to someone else that is not from here, I am sure that it is a pain in the rear as well and doesn't make sense. LOL. Anyways any thoughts, Ideas or other areas to look at please let me know. I have a Huge thing going on Ancestry.com and If you think that you might want to look at all the information that I have or cant make sense of any of it... have a look at .... Hunt/Wright Family Tree.
Thanks all ... If any one needs any help looking for anything here in the states, let me know. I am great at finding things here, and I know and have traveled the states a lot and know or can find out about most areas. Anyways, again thank you all for your help. Any Advice is welcome.
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Hi again
I've just had a quick look in the census returns and briefly find:
1881 census - Charles Wrightson living at Ingleby G. Yorkshire, with Hannah, his wife, and various children. He is shown as a Farmer of 116 acres.
In the 1871 census he is at Carlton, Yorkshire and he is listed as an Innkeeper.
In 1861 he is in Ingleby G and shown as Gamekeeper occupying 13 acres.
I've just given this very briefly, but if you would like details of all the children (and there are several) I could let you have these too. This is just a quick response, as am sitting in bed with cat on one side and cup of coffee on the other!
Yorkshire is on the north-eastern coast of England. Norfolk, where Charles appears to have been born, is further down, being the northern part of East Anglia - if you look at a map of the UK it looks like a lady riding a pig ;D and East Anglia is its derriere!
I'll have a look later & see what else I can find, but knowing this site, someone else will have posted all sorts of detailed stuff in the meantime.
Regards
Greensleeves
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Your family sounds a lot more interesting than the branch of my OH's tree which I am currently researching, so I've just had a peek at the 1851 and 1841:
1851 Charles, 22, Tailor, living with his parents Francis (50), gamekeeper (b. Ingleby G) and Ann (b. Woolar, Yorks) with sister Mary (13).
1841 finds Charles as an apprentice Tailor, living alone in Battersby, Yorks (age stated as 14).
Looks as though family went off to live in Norfolk briefly, and then returned home.
Right, must get up and take dog for walk before I start work on the garden...
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Hi Lil,
a general tip:
if you enter a place name and genuki in a search engine, you will usually get the GENUKI page telling you which parish, registration area, etc.
in line with normal genealogical practice, this Information Service is structured according to the counties as shown in these maps of England, Scotland and Wales, and of Ireland, i.e., as they were prior to the re-organisation that took place in 1974 (1975 for Scotland).
As our research is usually before 1974/5, then this will tell you where to look for records.
e.g. barrow in furness genuki
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/BarrowinFurness/
e.g. stockton on tees genuki
http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Stockton/index.html
If it doesn't say explicitily in the text, then at the top of each page you will see a link to the county where this place is, or if you examine the the GENUKI-address, you will see the county's Chapman Code(*).
i.e. LAN = Lancashire, DUR = Durham
regards,
Bob
(*) Chapman Codes:
RootsChat Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php) => Lexicon (click here) (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-lexicon.php?letter=C)
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Hi was just browsing when i came across your post.Was your grandmother called Barbara?
The Mak Foley that you are looking for died in norh londsdale hospital barrow in furness during an operation.
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Have just read your post,was your great grandfather called William or Bill and your great grandmother Barbara,if so we are some kind of cousin.Mark Foley was my great grandfather.