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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: rdads maggie on Sunday 15 March 09 09:09 GMT (UK)
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Help!
I got a surprise, I sent for my GGGrandads death cert.
John Orchard b 1836 s/o Edward & Christiana Orchard nee Woodley Hunt
John Orchard married Sarah Jane James 1856.Offwell.Devon
His death cert said the informant was his son GEORGE ! present at death. Roborough Moor.
Well I know John & Sarah had children
Henry b 1856 G.Grandad
Mary Ann b 1859 d 1859
Harriett b 1860 m Ned Spargo
Joseph b 1863 m Susan Muston
Thomas b 1865 m?
William b 1869 m Christina?
But WHO is GEORGE? or who is known as George?
are there more children than I know of?
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
I have looked at the censuses but cannot find a George. I wonder if he could possibly be a grandson? When did John b 1836 die?
There does seem to be other children to John and Sarah.
In 1891 they are in Fore Down, St Cleer, Cornwall
John, 55 and Sarah 54 have these children
Harriet 30
Thomas 26
William 22
Rachel 18 dau
Sally 13 dau
all children are single.
I can't see Rachel or Sally in the 1881 census :-\
Here's a possible marriage for William born 1869
William Orchard = Christiana Penfold
Mar q 1898
St Austell Cornwall
GUESS WHAT?? ...Christiana Penfold is my Great grandfather , William Penfold, his SISTER!!
they are both the children of Thomas Penfold(1841) who married Sophia Orchard (b 1846)
:D :D :D
deb
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Hello Deb
in 1891 census Rachel & Sally are not Orchards but Hollands
they are with John & sarah in 1881 census killing lane.Chapel allerton.Somerset
John died 19 Jan 1894
William o & Christina p/f b grampound.
Thomas Penfold m Sophia Orchard their son Edwin married John Orchards Grandaughter
Mary Ann Orchard .b 1882 Watchfield somerset.She was Johns son Henrys daughter
Henry married Priscilla Penfold who is in the 1881 census with John & Sarah.
I hope your computer can work out our relationship cause my brain can't
and George does'nt seem like a family name ?
So have i missed some children?
and do you know anything about Thomas o b 1865?
Best Wishes your Rellie
Maggie
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just signing in for updates as this lot are related to my joe aswell.cathayb
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Hello Cathay
Sorry for delay in reply been away for a while.
details of John Orchard death cert
19 Jan 1894 Roborough Moor.Roborough
John Orchard.Male 57yrs. Licensed Hawker.
Bronchitis & Pneumonia Exhaustion
X the mark of George Orchard son present at death
Roborough Moor.Roborough.
registered 20 Jan 1894
So who was George?
Would like to know about John Orchard & Sarah Jane James children
Thomas is the one i know nothing about!
Do you know where Sarah Jane Orchard(james) is buried or when she died?
The James are my brick wall!
John & sarahs grandson Josiah married Penella James d/o Robert & Britannia James nee James
b 1888 compton Marldon.Devon if she is the right Penella?
Maggie
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i thought josiah b.1886 in glastonbury somereset married nellie james in nov 1913 in cardiff glam.wales?i have him as henry and prsicilla penfolds son. my brick walls are also the james but i have found an old auntie still alive and she is starting to fill me in a bit now.her line comes down from william james.there were so many william james i am having a job to get my head round it at the moment.will report back when i work it out.cathayb
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Hi Cathay
Thats right John O & Sarah Jane James son, Henry m Priscilla Penfold 1881 Uphill.
Henry & Priscillas son Josiah m Penella James(nellie )1913 Glamorgan.
I always tie my self in knots with the Orchards
Still wondering who George is the informant for John Orchards death 1894 ?
Deb thought he might be a grandson but george is'nt a family name.
Still looking to find out more about Henry O brother Thomas 1865ish.
Maggie
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i dont know about him either.got him in 1871,1881,1891 with his perants.funny thing is he was born in stogusey somerset where i live now!!!!!small world.we must be related in someway.i will try and work out how.
right edwin orchard and elizabeth penfold had a daughter charlotte orchard who married bejamin orchard.they had george born around 1900.the other george was born 1934 to joseph orchard and defiance packman.thats the only georges i have.again though i will contact ian orchard and see what he knows about some georges in the family line.i do know george is a family name though i just havent followed through on any of them yet.i will get back to you when i hear from ian.
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Hi Cathay
It was Ian told me where John was buried many years ago! he has a very nice
headstone. But his wife is not buried with him! or not on his headstone!
So how are we related? how of the many ways are we related?(hee hee)
I have a question about Coopers & Packman but i need to look something up first!!
the 1st George son of Charlotte & Benjamin O would he not have been too young to
be informant on Johns Death cert if john died 1894 ?
the other George was definitly not around then!
back shortly
Maggie
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do i know you maggie?i got a feeling i should do but i cant place you at the moment.anyway i am going to go and get all ians many letters to me out and see what i can fin.i will get back again.love cathayb
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Hello Deb
in 1891 census Rachel & Sally are not Orchards but Hollands
they are with John & sarah in 1881 census killing lane.Chapel allerton.Somerset
John died 19 Jan 1894
William o & Christina p/f b grampound.
Thomas Penfold m Sophia Orchard their son Edwin married John Orchards Grandaughter
Mary Ann Orchard .b 1882 Watchfield somerset.She was Johns son Henrys daughter
Henry married Priscilla Penfold who is in the 1881 census with John & Sarah.
I hope your computer can work out our relationship cause my brain can't
and George does'nt seem like a family name ?
So have i missed some children?
and do you know anything about Thomas o b 1865?
Best Wishes your Rellie
Maggie
my mam said this tom orchard, he catched alight working on roADS HAD TO JUMP IN THE SEA TO PUT IT OUT,HAD TO HAVE LEG OFF,USED TO BE IN PLYMOUTH,sorry caps on
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john orchard born 1836 was the child of edward orchard and christinia woodley hunt so we are related there.sphia orchard that married thomas penfold then comes down my line by their kids...william,christinia christpher and edward.thomas penfold was the son of john penfold and harriet james so again we are related through them.edward p/f married mary ann orchard another connection.one of the kids married a richards and one of the richards married joe birch in barnstaple(sophia richards)
priscilla who married henry again we are related through ther kids...mary ann,josiah,john and edward!!!!josiah married marge cooke and their you are related to my daughter and my first husband who was also romany......and they of course had terry orchard who i think is still alive.....john married priscilla james and the james are in my family aswell.tracey orchard married john edwards who had a birch mother and tracey and john are first cousins.can you work out where my husband joseph birch comes into it?henry penfold who married ocean hughes was joes great great grandma.some of the orchards are his uncles and aunts.i am sure we are 3rd or 4th cousins somewhere along the line.love cathaybxx
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Hi Cathayb
Have you found anything more on the James family still looking for info on Sarah Jane James who married John Orchard. Also anything on Robert & Britannia James nee James parents of
Penellie James b 1888 Devon
Is the John James 1891 census Hawkchurch with a wife Britain Likely to be Robert ?
Does anyone know anything about this family in 1891 census?
Did your elderly Aunt have any info?
Rdads Maggie
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have sarah jane orchard daughter of edwin orchard born 1879 in honitin devon/is that the right one?her mum was ellen hughes.stll looking for the rest.love cathayb
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The Sarah Jane James I am lookingfor is born abt 1835 Ringston Dorset father Thomas a Grinder
she married John Orchard 1856 Offwell Devon his father Edward mother Christiana
Also looking for anything about Robert & Britannia James nee James and their children
and Priscilla James Cooper who was with Thomas Cooper never found a marriage for them and never found any children they lived Colyford area Devon
rdads maggie