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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: caitlin.95 on Sunday 15 March 09 04:14 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping to find relatives or someone who knows of Sweetings that have live in Narrandera. I understand my great-great-grandfather (unknown first name) was married twice. In his first marriage his wife had a stillborn and she and her 2nd baby died shortly after giving birth. My great-great-grandmother was his 2nd wife and they had i think 8 children together. One of their children's name was Mabel.
Anyone with any information would be of great help.
Good luck with your searching!
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Welcome to Rootschat Caitlin.95. ;D
For anyone to be able to help we really names and dates. It's always a good idea to give as much information as possible.
You'll find that we're a friendly bunch of people on here who just love helping and we're all addicted to genealogy and the thrill of chasing ancestors.
Joy
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Hi Caitlin
You may be able to do a fair bit your self on the NSW BDM site
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Its a pretty easy site to explore. I had a very quick look, and found the 1884 birth of Mabel Sweeting at Narrandera to parents Henry and Emma. They had 9 children between 1879 and 1901 at Narrandera, so I presume this is the correct Sweeting Family?
Anyway, have a look, but if you have any problems get back, and I'm sure I, or some RootsChatter will give you help. :D
Les
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Hi caitlin,
I think it looks like there were 3 not 2 marriages for Henry.
The first was Margaret in 1871
1479/1871 SWEETING, HENRY CRAGGS to CARNS MARGARET ANNE MARY @ ALBURY
She died in Albury in 1873 I think.
This one is a puzzle.....
1479/1871 SWEETING HENRY, CRAGGS SWEETING to MARY JOSEPHINE@ ALBURY
4949/1878 SWEETING, HENRY GREGG married CLAYTON, MARIA M @ WAGGA WAGGA
And finally
5382/1908 SWEETING, HENRY to BOWMAN, ELLEN M @ NARRANDERA
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Sue
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Hi Caitlin
I'm afraid I couldn't resist the temptation, and I just had to search a little further, but without purchasing certificates or transcripts (cheaper), it may be a little diffiuclt to work out.
You indicate your gg grandfather married twice, his first wife dying shortly after the birth of a still born child.
I found an 1871 marriage of Henry Craggs SWEETING to Margaret Annie CARNS (Ref. 1479/1871), but also with same reference and place, a marriage to Mary Josephine SWEETING ???
Anyway, I found a 1872 birth and death of Henry Richard SWEETING to Henry and Margaret SWEETING in 1872, and then the 1873 death of Margaret SWEETING, which ties in with part of your story.
His second marriage was in 1878 to Maria M CLAYTON, however, all of his 9 children had the mother of Emma M. Perhaps there was an error with the name Maria/Emma?
Les
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Hi Les,
we are crossing the wires here. ;D
I think [see previous post] that there were at least 3 marriages, What do you think?
Sue
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Hi Les,
we are crossing the wires here. ;D
I think [see previous post] that there were at least 3 marriages, What do you think?
Sue
The more wires crossed, the more information (hopefully) :D
Yes, I can see 3 marriages for Henry SWEETING, but 2 have the same reference, with 2 completely different names, including a surname of SWEETING!? That's why Caitlin will have to get that certificate reference, to see what is happening with that marriage/s??
Les
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5382/1908 SWEETING, HENRY to BOWMAN, ELLEN M @ NARRANDERA
I don't think this is the gg grandfather Henry Craggs SWEETING. This is more likely to be the son Henry SWEETING b.1882. There was a Ellen M BOWMAN b.1884 Wagga Wagga.
I think these are the deaths of the gg grandfather and his wife;
1914 Henry C SWEETING Narrandera
1834 Emma M SWEETING Narrandera
Les
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Yes,
I think so too Les.
It looks like Henry senior was having his children with another EMMA [Minnie] for whom I am not able to see a marriage to Henry senior .
Sue
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Yes,
I think so too Les.
It looks like Henry senior was having his children with another EMMA [Minnie] for whom I am not able to see a marriage to Henry senior .
Sue
Yes, a bit puzzling. Emma M could be Maria M (Clayton) from the 1878 marriage? I've tried to find both a NSW birth for Emma/Maria Clayton but without luck for either.
I thought with the 1871 "double" marriage, maybe Mary Josephine SWEETING could have been a witness (sister?) and her name placed in the bride's section by mistake? Anyway, I checked for SWEETING arrivals in NSW but only found a couple. Henry SWEETING in 1869 aboard the Boomerang a possiblilty, but not confirmed. Can't find a Mary Josphine SWEETING including NSW BDM's.
Should we be looking outside the "circle" in other states?
Les
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Wow, your all making me think a lot. I think I agree with the previous post that there was a mistake in the marriage certificate. I saw a few mistakes when I searched other names. I have recently called my grandmother(who got me on to it in the first place) and we have swaped information. We have decided:
1st wife: Margaret Carns
2 children but have only found proof of one (Henry Richard)
1st child still born, 2nd dies soon after birth and Margaret is said to have died of the depression of having 2 children die so close together. :(
2nd wife: Emma Minnie (last name not yet know possibly Clayton)
9 children
1 still birth
Emma Minnie Sweeting (jnr) is my grandma's grandma
Thanks so much for your help. i now have a lot more info to do the rest of my family tree with my gran. If you find anything else interesting please tell me. I am just so fascinated with it all and i'm having a great time. ;D ;D
Another interesting fact I found out is that Henry Sweeting (snr)'s dad was a convict from England. Both of Henry's parents were born in Scotland.
All of this in an afternoon! ;D
Caitlin
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I am just so fascinated with it all and i'm having a great time. ;D ;D
Welcome to the "addiction" of Family Research, Caitlin!
You seem to be on the right track with the two marriages in your last posting. Have you been able to work out the two 1871 marriages for Margaret CARNS and Mary SWEETING with the same references?
As I indicated earlier, if you haven't done so already, you should obtain that certificate for confirmation. The same probably goes for getting a number of other certificates to prove things one way or the other.
I'm not too sure how much researching you have done, but with Certificates - Birth and Marriage Cert's are usually more reliable due to the informant being a named person on that certificate, whereas with Death Cert's, the informant could be anybody, and the information supplied could be just guess or heresay i.e.not factual.
Lastly, with certificates, you don't necessarily have to buy original copies from the Registry. You can buy typed transcripts from authorised transcription agents for about half the cost of an original. There are three agents for NSW BDM transcriptions.
Les
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An interesting story in the Brisbane Courier Mon 2 April 1914 'Counter charges of Arson and Assault" where Henry SWEETING of Narrandera had his house set on fire - says he was a sawmiller. I suppose this is the son Henry who was married in 1908. Worth a read!!
Found by searching 'Sweeting ' and 'Narrandera'
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Cheers, Judith
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The first was Margaret in 1871
1479/1871 SWEETING, HENRY CRAGGS to CARNS MARGARET ANNE MARY @ ALBURY
She died in Albury in 1873 I think.
This one is a puzzle.....
1479/1871 SWEETING HENRY, CRAGGS SWEETING to MARY JOSEPHINE@ ALBURY
4949/1878 SWEETING, HENRY GREGG married CLAYTON, MARIA M @ WAGGA WAGGA
First marriage to Margaret Carns.
Second marriage to Maria who is actually Emma Minnie (nee Clayton). Mary Josephine Sweeting is Henry's sister. :o
Caitlin
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Hi caitlin 95.
First marriage to Margaret Carns.
Second marriage to Maria who is actually Emma Minnie (nee Clayton). Mary Josephine Sweeting is Henry's sister.
Caitlin
Now, are you meaning to say here that you now have information to say that MARIA and EMMA are the same person and that Mary Josephine is a sister?
If you already knew all this, it would have been easier if you had let us know in the beginning.
If you have information just come to light it would be helpful to tell the RC team what your source is.
As you will read in your thread so far, Les de B has been trying to work out the place of MARY JOSEPHINE.
For things to move on positively so that you learn more about your people, the best thing you can do now is to set out what you know and HOW you know it.
Did you look at the little info treasure that judb found? What did you think!
All keen to help so get back when you can ;D
Sue
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Did you look at the little info treasure that judb found? What did you think!
Sue
Yes, I thought it was a great piece of searching by judb, especially when I looked there too. I got too many results for Sweeting but should have added Narrandera as well to narrow them down. That deserves an "oops" on my part. :-[
Les
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Well I have found out from ancestory.com from about 7 sources that Mary Josephine is Henry's sister. I only found it out yesterday afternoon. I guess I have sort of assumed that Maria and Emma are the same people because I found out from a single comment on ancestery.com that Emma was sometimes called Maria (very different nickname). As I said I only found this out yesterday arvo.
MAry Josephine was born in Mebourne and she died in Wagga.
I did look at the newspaper article and my Grandma is so pleased. I found it quite interesting too! Thankyou judb!
Regards Caitlin ;D
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Dear Caitlin.95,
Only just lucked upon RootsChat.Com today and it is well past the 2009 set of messages, but I am aware of the family groups your are referring to, they are my Australian family history and Narrandera (and most of the Central West of NSW) is their expansion northward from early Melbourne.
I have not discovered the way that RootsChat.Com works but if you are still on this site from time to time I will check back to look for a contact.
Kind Regards
Ian Sweeting