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Annie Arnold is my mother's (XX b: October 17, 1920 in Tamworth) birth mother. Annie supposedly died in childbirth and XX and XX adopted Mum. I think Annie's death in childbirth was a story told to Mum. I have seen Mum's birth certificate with Annie's name on it (no father). In the bit of research I have done I have yet to run across any death notice, etc. for Annie Arnold at that time. Can anyone help with this? Sue
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Hi Sue and welcome to rootschat.
If Annie Arnold died in NSW her death notice may be listed in the Ryerson Index. Google for Ryerson Index then look for search terms. It gives death and funeral notices- as well as funeral directors... quite a few lead possible from this sometimes.
Hope tou are successful in your search for info.
charlotte
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Thanks Charlotte - I guess I should have been more clear. All this happened in England. Everyone has died except Mum.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Have you searched for a marriage on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com ?
Nanny Jan
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Thanks Nanny Jan - I hadn't thought of that, was hung up on her dying or not.
Sue
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My problem with using bmd is all I have is her name, my mother's birthdate and place of birth. I guesstimate her age, I assume she was young from what Mum has told me, but how do I choose which Annie?
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Can you find Annie on any census?
Nanny Jan
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Hi Sue, What nanny Jan says is the route to go... you need to narrow the time frame by cross referencing.
Try to find her ona acensus then look at the next census- if she's there then at the next etc... eventually you'll know in which decade she died- unless she lived beyond 1911.
The census will aslo give you an age.
When ever in doubt , go for cross referncing- stops you going off down wrong lines.
Charlotte
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Hello Sue R,
A check on FreeBMD for ARNOLD births in Tamworth, mother's name ARNOLD (mother's surname was indexed starting in 1911) from 1911 to 1940, brings up quite a few.
Depending on how much you are able to spend on this quest, it might be worth getting some of the post-1920 birth certs (specifying that the mother must be Annie or variant thereof)? If the mother in any of these later births is an Annie - especially if she has the same occupation and address as your grandmother - then that would be a useful clue ...
Unfortunately it's always possible, of course, that if Annie survived she might have married or moved away from Tamworth after your mother's birth ...
However, as a first step, have you checked through the full death indexes for your grandmother Annie's possible death in childbirth (nothing having been found on FreeBMD)? If nothing can be found in the full indexes in Tamworth in the same year (should be the same quarter though perhaps extend the search to the following quarter) as your mother's birth, that surely would put paid to the idea of Gma Annie dying in childbirth ...
Very best of luck in your quest,
JAP
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Hello everyone,
You've all been a great help to me and have given me some great starting points. I'll get started with the cross referencing.
Thank you all.
Sue R
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Hello again Sue R,
I doubt you'll be able to do too much (if any) "cross-referencing". If Gma Annie was very young when she had a child in 1920, she might well have been born after the 1901 census so that would leave only the 1911 census in which to find her ... And then, how would you know she was the right Annie? Unless she was living at the address given on your mother's bc.
There are only three possible births of an Annie ARNOLD in Tamworth (though we don't even know whether that is where your grandmother was born) on FreeBMD. An Annie in 1897, and an Annie Irene and an Annie Elizabeth in 1904. There are no matching deaths on FreeBMD up to 1920.
Just for information, the 1897 Annie seems to be the Annie aged 3, born Glascote (part of Tamworth - mistranscribed as Glascoed on Ancestry), daughter of Harold and Sarah ARNOLD, living in Aston.
Reference is: RG13/ 2865/ 54/ 17
Regards,
JAP
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Hello JAP
Thanks for the input. Those are my stumbling blocks and I keep going round and round, I think I'll put Annie on hold again and work on another branch. Maybe I'll stumble onto something somewhere that lights up.
Thank you again.
Sue R
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This is new information that I have come across - Annie Elizabeth Arnold is my Mum's birth mother. I have a copy of the original birth certificate. My mother was born at Wigginton, Staffordshire, England. Her birth mother, Annie Elizabeth Arnold was a General Domestic of Coton Old Hall Kingsbury, the informant was Geo. J. Collison, Occupier 100 Wigginton Rd. Wigginton. Mum was told that her mother worked as a maid at a manor house & died giving birth to Mum. I have yet to find a death registration for around that time. I think Mum was told a story & that her birth mother lived. Where do I go from here?
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One of the possible births found was for an Annie Elizabeth - so that remains a possible, and the others can be ruled out (though as was said at the time it is not known if Annie was born in Tamworth reg district or not.
You could look for that Annie E (thr one born 1904) in 1911 census to see what that says, though she will be too young to have gone into service by then, so unlikely to be able to confirm it is or isnt yours.
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Thanks Lizdb. I'm sorry to take so long to answer but work & real life got in the way. I have found family living in the area & they are going to ask around the family to see what anyone can remember.
Sue
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I have been in touch with my mother's family in England & have actually met 2 of my cousins. Unfortunately, Mum never knew any of this as her dementia was too bad for her to understand.