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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Heyesie on Friday 13 March 09 14:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks
I am looking for possible sibblings for William Gurnhill born between 1806/11 around Blyton Gainsborough area's.
William married Sarah Keyworth 1826 Knaith I have the marriage and their children aslo from the census's down the years
What I am after is possible baptisms for his siblings
Even marraiges for his parents and their siblings
I know its a big ask
But I'm not sure if his father would be named on his marriage cert when he married Sarah Keyworth
Eric
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Baps ---
William Gurnhill 25 Oct 1809 s/o John & Anne Upton cum Kexby.
William Gurnill 11 Sep 1803 s/o Robert & Ann Blyton
William Gurnill 30 April s/o Thomas & Ann Blyton
If you can identify the right one the we can sort out other baps for same parents.
There were no marriage certs till registration began in 1837
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Baps ---
William Gurnhill 25 Oct 1809 s/o John & Anne Upton cum Kexby.
William Gurnill 11 Sep 1803 s/o Robert & Ann Blyton
William Gurnill 30 April s/o Thomas & Ann Blyton
If you can identify the right one the we can sort out other baps for same parents.
There were no marriage certs till registration began in 1837
Beady thanks
But there is no way I could split them
I thought about checking the names of Williams kids
But none are named after any of the father you mention.
Maybe if I give you a list of Williams children
Maybe he may have named some after his siblings
Charlotte
Hariet
William
Eliza
Sarah
James
Jane
Charles
Elizabeth
Catherine
Thanks again
Eric
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Hi
Most of the names you gave are not listed in the baps.Those that are , are mainly pre the dates you want. Sorry.
I missed the year on the last bap I gave. It was 30 April 1805
Could have been out of county -- Gainsboro very near border of foreign country!!!
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Hi Beady
Thanks for the look ups
I'm sorry But I dont understand what you mean
The names I supplied
Are some children of my William Gurnhill.
I thought there could be a possibility he named some of his children after his siblings
Is it possible for you to look up
any baptisms for Thomas Gurnhill's children please
When you say foregin country
Did you mean county meaning Notts rather than Lincs
Eric
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Yes, I meant that only a couple of the names of his siblings matched names in the records, but the dates don't match, so we can't trace them that way.
Yes -- Foreign country -- Notts or Yorks !!!!!!
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Hi,
I don't know if this will narrow down the choice of William Gurnhill's but there is a burial of a William Gurnhill at Glentworth in 1879 aged 79 (i.e. born c1803).
On the 1871 Census there is a William Gurnhill, born Blyton, at Glentworth with a wife called Susan.
Possibly this is the William Gurnill baptised 11 Sep 1803 s/o Robert & Ann Blyton that Beady found so you could maybe eliminate him.
Gill
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Hi again,
Another very big longshot:
I noticed you gave his first child as Charlotte & I have found a Charlotte Gurnhill buried 8 September 1819 aged 16 at Blyton. Could he have called his first daughter after a sister who died at a young age?
Maybe someone would be kind enough to see if they can find her baptism to shed a bit more light to the possiblily of either John or Thomas being her father.
Gill
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Yes, I meant that only a couple of the names of his siblings matched names in the records, but the dates don't match, so we can't trace them that way.
Yes -- Foreign country -- Notts or Yorks !!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, I meant that only a couple of the names of his siblings matched names in the records, but the dates don't match, so we can't trace them that way.
Yes -- Foreign country -- Notts or Yorks !!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Gill
Thanks for your last two messages
Yes they will help to eliminate or confirm
thanks
Eric
In Merseyside, so Beady will tell you I'm from another continent but dont believe him ;D
Just jesting Beady thanks for your help
Eric
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Hi
I have committed a cardinal sin, I took William's wife as Susan from the 1871 transcript but now checked the original & it is Sarah!!
Sorry about that, but this may change the situation & actually mean that William born 1803 is your man!!
Gill
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No Charlotte Gurnil/el/hill baptised in Corringham deanery 1754-1812
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Hi
I have committed a cardinal sin, I took William's wife as Susan from the 1871 transcript but now checked the original & it is Sarah!!
Sorry about that, but this may change the situation & actually mean that William born 1803 is your man!!
Gill
Gill
Do you consider that to be he correct William
Eric
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Hi Eric,
All I can say is that he was 76 (not 79 as I had typed - had a bad day) when he was buried on 12 Oct 1879, so it puts his year of birth as 1803.
I think it must be his wife Sarah who was also buried at Wentworth on the 11 Jan 1890 aged 83.
Did one of the other William's marry a Sarah though?
Mind you, he may have not been new born when he was baptised, his age may not be correct on death etc. so as you can see, a lot of it is based on assumptions.
Gill
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Yes Gilly
This has been my problem for a while now
two Williams born in the same area marry a sarah
also I have never taken for granted his excact age
I have taken this from census returns
as we know they some time tended to be rounded off
so he could be born from anything like
1803 to 1811 depending on which William I can find a baptism for
I thought maybe by looking at the childrens names it may give some clue to sibling or parents
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OK Eric - back from the Archives and here is what I have found! Apologies if I repeat what others have already put - I'm going to let you draw your own conclusions about the results. Spellings as entries.
Baptisms at Blyton: -
John Gurnhill bapt 15 June 1798 s. Robert and Ann
Elizabeth Gurnhill bapt 24 Dec 1799 d. Robert and Ann
William Gurnhill bapt 11 Sept 1803 s. Robert and Ann
Thomas Gurnhill bapt 21 Feb 1800 s. Thomas and Ann
William Gurnhill bapt 30 April 1805 s. Thomas and Ann
George Gurnhill bapt 25 July 1807 s. Thomas and Ann
Mary Gurnhill bapt 6 Feb 1810 d. Thomas and Ann
Sarah Gurnhill bapt 18 July 1812 d. Thomas and Ann
James Gurnhill bapt 1 April 1814 s. Thomas and Ann Labourer
Elizabeth Gurnhill bapt 23 May 1818 d. Thomas and Ann Labourer
Charles Gurnhill bapt 28 Aug 1820 s. Thomas and Ann Labourer
Moses and Aaron(?) twins bapt 12 Jan 1824 s. Thomas and Ann Labourer
Possible baptisms of William (Lab) and Sarah's children - at Blyton.
18 Feb 1827 Henry
20 Mar 1829 Charlotte
18 Mar 1831 Harriet
1 Dec 1833 William (William's address given as Blyton Carr)
30 Apr 1836 Eliza d. of William and Sarah GURNEL Lab
11 March (born 14 Feb) 1837 Sarah - as above
31 May 1840 Jane - as above
7 Sept 1842 Charles - s. William and Sarah GURNELL
27 Apr 1845 Elizabeth - as above
12 Apr 1848 Rebecca d. William and Sarah GURNILL
19 Aug 1849 Catharine - as above
Burials at Blyton:-
Charlotte d. of Thomas and Ann on 8 Sept 1818 aged 16yrs.
Martin Gurnhill - 7 June 1836 aged 1 3/4 yrs
Think you have the burials at Glentworth for William and Sarah - I am going to Glentworth next week - I'll see if I can find the gravestones if I have time.
Checked the fiches for Corringham for the Keyworths as follows: -
Baptisms: -
19 Jan 1802 Ann d. of Martin and Sarah Keyworth
19 Sept 1803 SARAH - ditto
14 July 1805 Matthew - ditto
18 Jan 1807 Charlotte - ditto
2 Apr 1809 James - ditto
-- there may have been more!
Also, I got a photocopy of the fiche with the marriage of William Gurnhill and Sarah Keyworth - if you pm me with your e.mail address of 'snail mail' address, then I will scan/send it to you.
Good luck sorting that lot out! ;D
Polly
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Ahhhh, Polly
You little god send
I dont know how to thak you
I only hope I can return the favour one time
it must have taken you ages
I will PM you soon
thanks
Eric
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Checked the fiches for Corringham for the Keyworths as follows: -
Baptisms: -
19 Jan 1802 Ann d. of Martin and Sarah Keyworth
19 Sept 1803 SARAH - ditto
14 July 1805 Matthew - ditto
18 Jan 1807 Charlotte - ditto
2 Apr 1809 James - ditto
Martin KEYWORTH married twice at Corringham
1) 1783 Anne HARRISON
2) 1798 Sarah HARDY
You will find numerous baptisms of his children in IGI batch C028281
He was buried at Corringham 28 Oct 1835 (81) and Sarah 30 Oct 1831 (61)
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Geoffe
Thanks for that ;)
eric
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Hi
Most of the names you gave are not listed in the baps.Those that are , are mainly pre the dates you want. Sorry.
I missed the year on the last bap I gave. It was 30 April 1805
Could have been out of county -- Gainsboro very near border of foreign country!!!
Beady
Well reasoned by the way
I have just recieved a scan from polly with
William Gurnhill marriage as Blyton
But it says the county of Nottingham
Eric
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Eric
The marriage was at Knaith and it states that he was from BLYTH, Nottinghamshire - that's not necessarily where he was born, is it? It's not far from here - we are near a couple of county borders.
By the way, I noticed that none of the marriage entries on the scan I sent you had 'consent of parents' crossed out, so they may well have been over twenty one years. And if the person who wrote the entry can leave out the actual date he wasn't very efficient, was he?
Polly
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Eric
The marriage was at Knaith and it states that he was from BLYTH, Nottinghamshire - that's not necessarily where he was born, is it? It's not far from here - we are near a couple of county borders.
By the way, I noticed that none of the marriage entries on the scan I sent you had 'consent of parents' crossed out, so they may well have been over twenty one years. And if the person who wrote the entry can leave out the actual date he wasn't very efficient, was he?
Polly
Hi Polly
Misread it sorry thought it said Blyton
No, you are right the clerk's did not seem to be very meticulous at all.
Intereting though the Notts connection
My Gurnhill crowd have always been from Lincolnshire
But in the past on GU I have come across some very similar names and dates
But. When I have contacted the person involved they tell me they have no Gurnhill's from Lincs
Only Notts tended to around the retford area most though
Eric
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My 4th great grandfather was Richard Gurnhill born 1825 parents John Gurnhill and Jane Kelsey. I think your William was Richard’s brother…. This is what I have so far for his siblings.
Richard Gurnhill baptised 8th September 1822 Upton.
William Gurnhill baptised 25th October 1809 Upton.
John Gurnhill ( other brother) born Abt 1811.
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Hi
Thanks for the info,I do have my tree on Ancestry and find my past if you use them,
My tree is listed as Heyes/Britten
Eric
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I have a tree on ancestry. Not sure how to find your tree but I’ll try and figure it out.
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Possible we both have tree matches
Or DNA match if we have tge same Gurnhill line,I had a quick look and to be honest I dont think my William and yours are the same,but I will check properly when i get the chance