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I am looking for information about a RUSSELL family which appears on the 1841 Census for Kirkby Moorside as follows: Christopher Russell 45, Rebecca Russell 45, Sarah Russell 15, and David Russell 8. I am particularly interested in getting a birth date for David as I am trying to discover if he may be a GG Grandfather born Jan 13, 1834. I'd also like to confirm the birth date I have for Christopher (Dec 26, 1793).
I have these birth dates for a Canadian Russell family but so far have no definite proof that this Canadian family (also Christopher, Rebecca, & David) came from Yorkshire. Would very much appreciate any help.
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Welcome to Rootschat Jaunty.
You'll be lucky to find birthdates pre 1837 but at least you can rule out any christenings before those dates :)
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From the IGI
Christopher RUSSEL
Birth: 25 Dec 1793
Christening 26 Dec 1793 Wath Juxta Ripon Yorkshire
Parents
Jonathan RUSSEL
Anne
Extracted record
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In the same place with the same parents
Ellen Russel
B.28 Oct 1795
C. 2 Nov 1795
Anne Russel
B. 1 Oct 1798
C. 2 Oct 1798
D. 9 April 1805
Susannah Russel
B. 23 May 1801
C. 24 May 1801
Jonathan Russel
B. 15 Dec 1803
C. 16 Dec 1803
John Russel
B. 2 April 1806
C. 5 April 1806
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Wow -- thanks so much for the help Madpants! David named his first child Jonathan -- another of the bits of evidence. That birth date you found for Christopher is right on -- this looks very promising. I will check further -- must look and see where I got Christopher's birth date from. Too bad David doesn't show up -- but this is most helpful!
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Kirkby Moorside ;D
David Russell
Christening 30 Jan 1834
Parents
Christopher Russell
Rebecca
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There are 7 births with those parents in KM, including Sarah ;D
If you go to www.familysearch.org and go to advanced search, click on IGI at the side of the page, then use the batch no C108401 with Russell in surname box and christopher and rebecca in parents boxes it should bring them up ;D
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oh and Christopher Russell married Rebecca Brand 8 April 1815 in Kirkby Moorside ;D
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Fantastic! Thank you! This family is looking more and more likely. They disappear from the UK after 1841 which suggests they emigrated. There is an 1843 passenger record for New York with Christ. Russell 50, Mrs. 49, Sarah 19, Ann 17, Christ. 15, Rebecca 11, & David 9. Then there is an 1851 Ontario census record showing Christopher 59, Rebecca 57, and a Russell male of 19 whose first name I cannot read. Sadly, they do not show up on Canadian census records after 1851. My GGG Grandparents were Christopher & Rebecca Russell. They died in Ontario on Apr 10, 1872 & Aug 11, 1862 respectively. Their son, David, born Jan 13, 1834 in England, named his first child Jonathan, born in Ontario. My theory is that they arrived in New York and made their way to Canada, although I don't really understand why I haven't been able to find more of David's siblings in Canada. But this is the first breakthrough I've had on this for a while. Delighted.
I am kicking myself because I did not record where I got Christopher's birth date of Dec 26, 1793, but it matches the information you kindly gave me. Where did you find the birth date you got for him? The IGI gives only a year as far as I could see. Thanks so much for all your help. I will pin this down yet!
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Got it! The birth date I have for Christopher Russell came from his grave marker in Houghton, Ontario. The marker is partially buried, so it doesn't show on my photo of it, but the Ontario Genealogical Society transcribed it in 2005 and they recorded that the marker is inscribed with his precise age: "78 yrs, 3 mos, 16 days." Counting back from his death date of Apr 10, 1872, we get Christmas Day of 1873! Exactly what you got -- now I'm REALLY hoping you can tell me where you found those birth & christening dates. I will go to Houghton when the weather permits, with a shovel, and see this inscription for myself.
I think this will be the definite link I need. With names & ages matching, and now a matching birth date, plus the echoed name of David's first child, I think I may lay claim to these folks with some justification. Or could it still be all just coincidence?
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Cancel my request -- I just found the IGI dates for Christopher Russell.
Thank you!!! If not for your help I would never have found this birthdate link between the Yorkshire Christopher Russell and my Ontario man. It seems to me that I now have a VERY STRONG connection, but would be very interested in what you think. The missing children, David excepted, still bother me, but if they came via the US some may have stayed there. The female children probably married and changed their names. Some may have died. David was the youngest, so it is perhaps not surprising that he remained with the parents. I will continue to look. I am VERY pleased about this. :)
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Yes, I think that's your Christopher ;D
If they came out via the US then you might find them on the Ellis Island website. www.ellisisland.org
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I will check Ellis Island. Too bad there is no exact birthdate for Rebecca on IGI -- I could verify with what is on her marker.
Thanks again! So good to have made the leap to the UK connection.
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You were very lucky to find that the vicar had written birthdates in the register, it wasn't the norm.
You could try looking on http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch it's a pilot site from family search and has a lot of US census info
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The age in years, months & days is cut into the grave marker, literally written in stone. They used to do that sometimes. Yes, it was lucky.
Ellis Island records, I discovered, begin at 1892, so much too late for this family who came in 1843.
Thanks for the site tip -- will look. I'd be happier if one of the other children would turn up in Ontario, but I am satisfied that my Christopher & Rebecca are the folks from Kirkby Moorside.
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Any chance you know the geography of Kirkby Moorside & Wath Juxta Ripon? Are these places close to each other? I tried to find Wath Juxta Ripon, Yorkshire, on a map but didn't have much luck.
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If you go to Google maps and put in Wath, Ripon you will see that Wath is approx. 4.8 miles from Ripon, Juxta just means near. The juxta Ripon was probably added as there are 3 wath's in North Yorks. Kirkbymoorside is further east near Pickering approx. 30 miles east of Wath.
From the old Riding maps pre 1832 Kirkbymoorside and Wath are in the North Riding (Yorkshire) and Ripon in West Riding (Yorkshire) now with boundary movements however they are all North.
By the way, Wath is pronounced Woth and it's a silent k in the middle of Kirkbymoorside = Kerbymoorside :)
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A silent k! Thank you -- good to know that. I note that the submitter of info on LDS has written it as "Kirby-Moorside," and there seems little consistency about whether it is one word or two. I assume Kirkbymoorside is correct? I should have guessed about "juxta" from the word juxtaposition -- makes sense -- appreciate the explanation. At first glance the name was very confusing. I have now entered these Kirkbymoorside folks and claimed them as GGG Grandparents, also Jonathan Russell and wife Ann as GGGG Graandparents. Very satisfying!
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It's not far from me but I've never thought about whether it's one word or two ;D I think the general concensus is one ;D
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Hi Jaunty,
If the marriage of Christopher Russell and Rebecca Brand is the correct one for you, then from the baptism record of their daughter Ann 20/2/1826 Kirbymoorside Christopher's parents were Jonathan and Ann Russell of Melmerby, parish of Wath and Rebecca's parents William and Sarah Brand.
Lots of people from the area emigrated to Canada in the 1840's, many of them Methodists
Lyn
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Thank you Lyn,
That helps, Yes, this certainly is the right family. I have found a record of them arriving on the ship CHESTER at New York in 1843. Most of the children are on board (Christ. Russell 50, Mrs. 49, Sarah 19, Ann 17, Christ. 15, Rebecca 11, David 9). William, Mary, & Hannah are missing. I now know that William stayed in England. After arrival in NY, the family must have come up to Canada. Christopher's IGI birth date matches EXACTLY with what is on his stone in Ontario, so because of that, and a few other reasons, I am sure that my Ontario Christopher & Rebecca GGG Grandparents are the folks from Kirkbymoorside. What puzzles me is that of all those children I can find only son David, my GG Grandfather, in Ontario. He is buried with Christopher & Rebecca at Houghton. Puzzling. Perhaps not so much if one considers that aside from David there was only one other male (Christopher); all the rest were female and probably have different names. And these are the early days of few records.
Thanks for giving this some thought! And I appreciate the information about extensive emigration from the area in the 1840s.