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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Alienboy36 on Tuesday 10 March 09 17:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, I'm currently researching my family name, and want to find any info i can on the name "Bruce-Green".
My grandparents use to live in NW London, and i believe my great nan and grandad used to own a chemists somewhere in London. I would be grateful for any info on this.
I'm also researching the name Bruce-Green De Wolfson, as this use to be the family name many decades ago. Any info on this would be great too!
As my father, and both grandparents have passed away, im very short of info???
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It is usually best to start with what you knoe for definite and work back to the unknown, confirming each step as you go from as many sources as you can before moving on.
So - do you know when your grandparents married? When/where they were born? Have you any certificates (birth/marriage/death) for them?
If not sure, then move a generation nearer and start there - have you got your fathers birth cert (which will give mums maiden name and help you find the marriage)?
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Hi and a warm welcome to Rootschat :)
See link below for some information someone has posted on another site about a "Green de Wolfson" family headed by a Bruce Green de Wolfson (Bruce appears to have been his given name).
http://www.sheffieldfhs2.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?b-gb/m-1175933962/
Is this connected to your family?
Anna
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Hi again
I am going to hazard a guess that your paternal grandfather was named Norman Cecil Bruce-Green, b 4 March 1922, lived in Colindale for a long time and died in about April 2005 in the London borough of Brent. I see a possible daughter for him b 1944 and son David John Bruce-Green b 1946, the latter of whom died in the City of Westminster in 1997. Both children's birth registrations show their mother's maiden name to have been Mansell.
Am I on the right track? If so it does not appear that Norman's surname at birth was Bruce-Green (unless he was born somewhere other than England & Wales). The name (as a combination) seems to be sufficiently rare that he may have been the first bearer of it.
N.B. You may or may not be aware that on Rootschat we are careful not to name any living people in order to protect them from identity theft etc.
Anna
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In case I'm on the right track, here's a marriage:
Jun qtr 1942
Norman C BRUCE-GREEN
Eugenie MANSELL
Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 324
By sending off for the marriage certificate (which you can do for £7 online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ - registration required) you should be able to find out the names and occupations of both spouses' fathers which will enable you to take your research further.
Anna :)
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Thank you very much for your help Lizdb.
I don't have any marriage/birth certificates for my grandparents, but fortunately a message from avm228 has revealed a few things.
Cant believe how helpful people are on this site, was very surprised to see i had already received 4 messages since posting my question yesterday.
So i thank you once again :)
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Hi and a warm welcome to Rootschat :)
See link below for some information someone has posted on another site about a "Green de Wolfson" family headed by a Bruce Green de Wolfson (Bruce appears to have been his given name).
http://www.sheffieldfhs2.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?b-gb/m-1175933962/
Is this connected to your family?
Anna
Hi Anna,
Thank you very much for your help, I looked at the link you gave me, unfortunately i dont think it is connected to my family.
The surname im looking for is Bruce-Green De Wolfson, their surname appears to be Green De Wolfson. Very close though :)
Thanks anyway :)
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Hi again
I am going to hazard a guess that your paternal grandfather was named Norman Cecil Bruce-Green, b 4 March 1922, lived in Colindale for a long time and died in about April 2005 in the London borough of Brent. I see a possible daughter for him b 1944 and son David John Bruce-Green b 1946, the latter of whom died in the City of Westminster in 1997. Both children's birth registrations show their mother's maiden name to have been Mansell.
Am I on the right track? If so it does not appear that Norman's surname at birth was Bruce-Green (unless he was born somewhere other than England & Wales). The name (as a combination) seems to be sufficiently rare that he may have been the first bearer of it.
N.B. You may or may not be aware that on Rootschat we are careful not to name any living people in order to protect them from identity theft etc.
Anna
All i can say Anna is you appear to be very good at researching family names as you have found both my grandparents info, my aunt, and my late father David.
You are definately on the right track, and are spot on with my grandad, he wasn't born in England or Wales, he was born in Shanghai, China.
This is as far as i have got with my research, as i haven't got an idea how i can research futher back than my grandad if he was born in China.
Any idea's?
I wasn't aware that you couldn't mention any living people on Rootschat, i shall bear this in mind for the future.
Once again thank you for your help. :)
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You are definately on the right track, and are spot on with my grandad, he wasn't born in England or Wales, he was born in Shanghai, China.
This is as far as i have got with my research, as i haven't got an idea how i can research futher back than my grandad if he was born in China.
Any idea's?
Have a look back at my reply #4 above about the marriage certificate.
Also, here's something useful - a passenger list of the Japanese vessel "Fushimi Maru" which sailed from Yokohama to London in November 1932.
The first-class passengers who embarked at Shanghai (bound for London) were as follows:
GREEN, Edgar Bruce, Harbour Master Shanghai, 42
GREEN, Bertha Victoria, H[ome] D[uties], 33
GREEN, Alwyn Edgar Bruce, School, 14
GREEN, Joyce Bruce, School, 13
GREEN, Norman Cecil Bruce, School, 10
Last permanent residence for them all was China. Intended future residence was "Foreign Countries" (could well have been China again) for Edgar, Bertha and Joyce, and "England" for the boys Alwyn and Norman. The purpose of the trip might well have been to bring the two boys back for school, with the parents and daughter returning to carry on their life overseas. The family's address in the UK was c/o Chartered Bank of India, London.
Anna
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You are lucky in that your grandfather's birth appears to have been registered with the British consular authorities in Shanghai:
Births, GRO CONSULAR BIRTH INDICES (1849 to 1965) 1921 - 1925
GREEN, Norman C.
Shanghai 16 204
His birth certificate can be ordered as an "overseas event" through the same GRO website as I linked you to in reply #4 above.
Anna :)
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Edgar Bruce Green and his daughter Joyce are mentioned in a post on the China Daily website from 2005:
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/mycomment/happye7.html
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In May 1945 Edgar Bruce GREEN, married, aged 55 yrs 0 months, harbor master, resident of Tientsin, China, was admitted to the United States for 30 days en route to Vancouver, Canada. He had arrived in California on the SS Admiral E.W. Eberle, which sailed from Manila on 10 April 1945.
His birthplace was given as Hampton Wick, England. He was 5ft 9.5 inches tall with medium complexion, brown hair and grey eyes. There were no family members travelling with him. He had previously passed through the United States in transit in October 1941. He was due to meet a friend named Leon Richard Schenage or Schinage, of 530 E. 90th St, New York, N.Y.
Anna
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Going from Edgar Bruce GREEN's details on that Californian shipping list (born about 1890 Hampton Wick) this seems likely to be him in the 1901 census:
1901 census
RG13/1241/5/1
14 Harvey Rd, Hornsey, Middlesex
Bruce Green de Woolfson Head M 39 Optician Richmond Virginia USA
Elizabeth do Wife M 35 London W.C.
Malcolm* do Son S 13 London W.C.
Audrey do Daur S 12 London W.C.
Edgar do Son S 10 Hampton Wick
Linda do Daur S 5 London W.
*sic, but per 1891 census and birth registration his name appears in fact to have been Michael
...which takes us round in a circle to the "Green de Woolfson" family referred to in the link I gave you at reply #2 above ;)
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Edgar's birth registration:
Edgar Bruce DE WOOLFSON
Jun qtr 1890
Kingston 2a 354
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Edgar's
younger sister Linda two sisters' birth registrations:
Audrey Viola GREEN DE WOOLFSON
Dec qtr 1888
Holborn 1b 361
Linda Mary GREEN DE WOOLFSON
Sep qtr 1895
Paddington 1a 76
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1891 census
RG12/617/37/16
Walton Lodge, Hampton Wick
Bruce G de Wolfson Head M 29 Optician Richmond Virginia USA
Lizzie do do Wife M 25 London Harland St
Michael do Son 3 London Lancaster Rd W
Audrey V do Daur 2 London Holborn
Edgar B do Son 1 Middlesex Hampton Wick
(plus 2 female domestic servants)
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Michael's birth registration:
Michael Reuben DE WOOLFSON
Sep qtr 1887
Kensington
1a 94
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Thank you for all the information you have given me, i now know a lot more info about my family and now have a few ideas as to where to start searching my family name.
The info that i received from you all came as a shock as i didn't expect to find much, so i was very surprised to see the amount of info that some of you have found for me.
I thank you all! ;)
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You should contact Dave Ibbotson (username ibbotson). He too is researching the Green de Wolfson family; he must be related to you.
Justin
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Hello
I too am searching for Isaac Mendel's family, he being, I believe, the herbalist in north London whose daughter's married name is Bruce Green. I am not sure how rootschat works so I hope you get this message.
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Hi
Having read the responses to and fro, I think your paternal grandmother is a relative of mine. I have a copy of her family tree written by her in conjunction with my mother. How do we exchange information, this is all new to me?
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Hello Alienboy36
I have sent you a personal message but just in case you do not receive it I will add this posting. My wife is a de Woolfson and I have been researching the family for a number of years which includes your Bruce Green "de Woolfson". Please make contact
David
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Hi David, thanks for the message.
Someone did mention you to me before that you were also researching the name Bruce-Green De Woolfson, but i never got round to contacting you.
My surname is Bruce-Green, but apparently use to be Bruce-Green De Woolfson in the past, think the De Woolfson part was dropped around the time of the 2nd world war, leaving just Bruce-Green.
After reading a few of your posts, and replies, it does look like were both after the same thing.
My Grandad told me how the family used to own a chemist in London (Bruce-Green Chemists) but not sure where or when?
I have only got as far back in my family tree as my great grandfather, and am still looking for info on him, so i have a lot to do.
If we can help each other in anyway i would be grateful.
Regards
Richard (Alienboy36)
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Hi my mother was a Bruce-Green maiden name Mansell and I would love to contact you MH44 please get in touch
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Thanks for the message,
Im researching my family history, mainly on the male side of the family.
My grandmother was called Eugenie Mansell, What i would like to know is what Eugenie's parents full names were?
I would be grateful if you could let me know their names if poss!
Anything you want to know, then feel free to ask ok :)