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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: m1chael on Tuesday 10 March 09 15:44 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information about James Woolcock who married Sarah Gambrill in Dover area, children being born 1818 onwards and baptised in Dover St Mary's.
Seeking his baptism, marriage and death plus any relevant mariner records; also Will.
Would be grateful to know where records can be viewed/bought on cd.
Many thanks.
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Hi
Between which years was James a mariner ?
Jane ;)
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Hi Jane
Many thanks for your quick response. James was a mariner according to his children's baptisms, so that was from 1818 onwards. His last child, William, was baptised 30.10.1829 but died in the workhouse in 1834, just seven months after James's wife, Sarah died there ... so I think James must have died sometime after 1829.
That just gives a time span of 1818-1829 ... but not knowing his age, I can't tell how long before then he was a mariner.
Sarah Gambrill came from Nonington, so it's possible they were married there rather than St Mary's and I suppose it's also possible there were children in that area before the ones I've found in St Mary's. Sarah was born 4.3.1786 so I'm tempted to think that she started her family before the age of 32.
Any pointers you can give me with be much appreciated.
Chris
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There is this death..
James Woolcocks
Age at death-77
Born 1801
Died 1878-Tavistock-Devon/Cornwall
Vol 5b-Page 289
Jane
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Hi again
Do you have the children in the 1841 cencus ?
Jane
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That is so kind of you. I'm convinced that there must be a connection to Devon/Cornwall at some stage, which could be the link - and certainly he hasn't turned up on any of the Kent census, so I think I'll go through those for Tavistock to see if this one could be the same. (Hopefully he didn't just run off and leave his wife and children!!) Chris
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At the moment, no other than the one who is my husband's ancestor - Edward bap 12.8.1827, aged 14, a fisherman's app at 27 Hawkesbury Street. You've given me a job for this evening! C
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The nearest I can see for anyone apart from Edward is a possible for Samuel in the 1861 Cencus..I cant see him in either 1851 or 1841 but given he was a mariner he could have been away at sea
Im not sure if you have access to cencus..but here is the ref No but if you wish me to post full details please just ask
Indexed as Wolcock
RG9/548-Folio 17/Page 25
Jane
I can also see this same Samuel in the 1871 and 1881 cencus.
Jane
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I think Samuel married Harriet Bayley in 1853-Dover
Although Samuel Woolcock is on the page Harriet is missing of it but in 1861 there is a Charlotte Bayley living with them who according to the 1851 is her mother
Jane
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Hi Jane - Info much appreciated. That means that Harriet is the sister of Edward's wife! Also looks as though the whole family were mariners. Their absence from the census (Yes - I'm able to have access, thanks) presumably is because the men were at sea, though I'd imagined there would have been a census for seafarers? C
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I am a descendent of Samuel Woolcock, so was very interested to read the Woolcock / Gambrill discussion.
Samuel Woolcock married Harriet Bailey 29 Aug 1853. The marriage certificate confirms a number of comments in the discussion:
Samuel Woolcock mariner, father James Woolcock mariner.
Harriett Bailey, father Daniel Bailey labourer.
A Mary Brayley is one of the witnesses. (Bailey – Bayley – Brayley ?)
I would be interested to know Samuel’s other siblings (ie. James Woolcock and Sarah Gambrill’s children). From the discussion trail and my limited research:
?? 1818-
Samuel Woolcock abt 1825-1898
Edward Woolcock 1827-
William Woolcock 1829-1934
However like you, I have found Samuel’s father James Woolcock to be pretty elusive. I would also be interested to know if you made any progress confirming James birth, marriage, and death dates and any other life details?
Certainly the Cornwall link seems likely at some point in the past, given the name is far more frequent in Cornwall than Kent, as well as the fact the family are all mariners.
But perhaps this happened further in the past. Parish records on Ancestry note a marriage licence for Jas Woolcock and Jane Robinson both of St Marys Dover dated 8 Apr 1761.
Also the comments on Woolcocks in the workhouse is also something I was not aware of. But I since spotted this on the website www.doverhistory.co.uk/workhouse/vestryminutes :
30 Jun 1836 That Mr Boyce provides the boy Woolcock with a pair of shoes.
Any comments most welcome!
Many thanks.
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Hi again
Hope the attached tree might be of help. If we make contact directly, I can send in original form ie Excel.
Regards - C
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Yes, definitely same woolcocks, that tree is a great help especially for the gambrills. I will look more closely, but already I see james woolcock is still somewhat of a mystery, and the woolcocks and baileys are very intertwined! Have you followed up on the workhouse records? I have only registered on roots today, so apparently I need to make 3 posts and then I can send a personal message with my details. Many thanks, Neil.
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Hi Neil
To be honest, I only was active when I put those details on, along with my sister-in-law - it's our husbands who are the Woolcocks. We'd be delighted to join with you in joining up the trees. It's some time since I worked on this tree but I know I've been given some good links to parish records in the Dover region, so will look them out tomorrow and send to you. I also must get to Dover to go through records there because I've found the Record Offices to be really helpful. Will send more details tomorrow.
Regards - Chris Woolcock
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Samuel Woolcock and Harriett Bailey, their son James Woolcock, and in turn their grand daughter Emily May Woolcock remained in Dover. Emily married Edward Francis whence they moved to North Woolwich and the family spread from there. I think have three posts now so should be able to send you a personal message. Neil.