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Title: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: ourmorris on Monday 09 March 09 20:40 GMT (UK)
is there a list containing the names of the 5th battalion,irish volunteers, fingal brigade north dublin, who were with thomas ashe in ashbourne.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Sunday 21 March 10 13:56 GMT (UK)
Here is your list

This list is from my book, Dublin in Rebellion

http://www.lilliputpress.ie/author.html?author=Connell%2C+Joseph+E.A.

I am not trying to sell the book here, and I'll be happy to answer questions if I can.

However, I do request that quotations/lists from the book be given proper copyright credit.

Thanks


5th Battalion, Men
North Co. Dublin, Rath (Rathbeal, Ratoath) Cross Roads, RIC Barracks at Ashbourne,
Co. Meath; garrison total about 75 men and women (including approximately 20
Volunteers who were sent to the GPO on Tuesday, 25 April); 2 killed (plus one died
afterward from his wounds); 8 RIC killed. Known after the Rising as the Fingal
Brigade, it foreshadowed the flying columns and barracks’ attacks of the 1920
campaigns.
Commandant Thomas Ashe; a native of Dingle, Co. Kerry, previously he was a
schoolteacher at Corduff, Co. Dublin. He was known as an inspirational, but
somewhat impractical, leader, and was the great uncle of actor Gregory Peck.
Dick Aungier
Peadar Blanchfield (brother); he became the ‘official grenadier’ as he was the only
one with experience with bombs.
Tom Blanchfield (brother)
Paddy Brogan; a member of the Lusk Company.
#Dan Brophy
#Patrick Caddell; Lusk Company.
#John Clarke; Lusk Company.
#Dick Coleman (25); Captain of the Swords Company. He died of flu in Usk Prison,
Wales, on 9 December 1918 while a candidate for parliament. (See also GPO and
1st Battalion at Mendicity Institute).
Jimmy Connor; a member of the Lusk Company.
#James Crenegan; from the Roganstown Company.
**John (Jack) Crenigan (21); he worked for the Dublin Tramways Company and
was a member of the Swords Company.
Johnny Devine; a member of the Lusk Company.
Francis (Frank) Daly; imprisoned at Frongoch.
Paddy Doyle
#William Doyle; Swords Company.
Richard Duke
Thomas Duke
Walter Farrelly
Mick Fleming
Jerry Golden
Jack Gowan; sent home on Thursday because he was too young.
Paddy Grant
Dr Richard Hayes; medical officer and an intelligence officer. He had formerly
been the O/C, but resigned in favor of Ashe due to the pressures of his medical
practice. Became a TD.
Paddy Houlihan (Holohan); imprisoned at Frongoch.
#Jack Hynes; Lusk Company.
**John Keely (15); killed in Phibsborough while carrying dispatches.
#Jack Kelly; Swords Company.
Jimmy Kelly
#Richard (Dick) Kelly; Corduff Company.
Matthew Kelly; a member of the Corduff Company, he was wounded and imprisoned
at Frongoch.
#Patrick Kelly
Edmund Kent
Colm Lawless; sent home on Thursday becausee he was too young.
#Edward Lawless
Frank Lawless Sr; Battalion QM. Became a TD.
Jim Lawless; Captain of the St Margaret’s Company; imprisoned at Frongoch.
Joseph Lawless; one of the section leaders, as well as assisting his father, Frank, as
QM. Imprisoned at Frongoch.
Bennie McAllister; brother, imprisoned at Frongoch.
John McAllister; brother.
Michael (Mick) McAllister; brother.
John McCann
James McArdle; (brother), imprisoned at Frongach.
Patrick McArdle; (brother), imprisoned at Frongach.
#John McNally; Swords Company.
#James Marks; Swords Company.
Tom Maxwell
#William Meehan; Lusk Company.
Richard Mulcahy, Vice-Commandant. On Sunday evening, he was sent by Connolly
to Howth to cut the undersea telephone wires between Dublin and London. It
was impossible to return to Dublin so he went to Ashbourne and Ashe appointed
him Vice-Commandant for the Rising. Imprisoned at Frongoch and became
O/C of D Company of the North Camp. He succeeded Michael Collins as
Commander in Chief of the Free State Army.
Éamonn Murphy
Bill Norton; sent home on Thursday because he was too old.
#Joe Norton
Christy Nugent
James O’Connor; a member of the St Margaret’s Company of the Volunteers. He
was imprisoned in Wakefield Prison.
Arthur O’Reilly
#Thomas Peppard; Lusk Company.
Jack Rafferty; a member of the Lusk Company, he was wounded and imprisoned
at Frongoch.
**Thomas (Tommy) Rafferty (22); died of wounds after the Rising.
Thomas Reilly
Edward N. (Ned) Rooney; Captain of the Lusk Company, he was wounded in the
eye and imprisoned at Frongoch.
James Rooney
Paddy Sheehan (Sherwin?)
Ned Stafford
Joe Taylor; a member of the Swords Company, he was wounded.
Nicholas Teehan (Teeling?); a member of the St Margaret’s Company.
Joe Thornton; Captain of the Skerries Company, imprisoned at Frongoch.
Willie Walsh; wounded in his hand, he was a member of the Volunteers from
Liverpool.
Bartle Weston
Charles Weston; one of the section leaders. He was detailed to blow up the bridge
at Rogerstown Viaduct. Imprisoned at Frongoch.
#James Wilson
#Peter Wilson
#William (Beck) Wilson
#William (Cooty) Wilson; Swords Company.
5th Battalion, Women
Molly Adrian; a redoubtable messenger, she was in and out of Dublin all week.
Monica (Dot) Fleming; she married Joseph Lawless.
Eileen Lawless; she became one of Michael Collins’ secretaries.
Kathleen Lawless

Those indicated by # reported to the 5th Battalion but were sent to the GPO on Tuesday, 25 April.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: ourmorris on Monday 22 March 10 19:04 GMT (UK)
thank you for the reply my friend.your list includes the name of my great uncle ned stafford who was from swords and allso imprisoned in frognoch.this is the first comprehensive listing of the fingal brigade that i have seen and will help me with further research thanks again
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: skerries on Wednesday 24 March 10 11:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you for posting the list of men as my uncles paddy and dan was there as well.Can you tell me if there is a list of names of those that took part inside the GPO as i am trying to trace family names thank you
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Wednesday 24 March 10 13:26 GMT (UK)
Yes, I have that in my book, as well

http://www.lilliputpress.ie/author.html?author=Connell%2C+Joseph+E.A.

I believe the board on which it was posted has been taken off.

Actually, the book has every person who was in the Rising, catalogued by the place in which they fought.

There are 1,888 listed
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: ourmorris on Monday 31 May 10 19:46 BST (UK)
greetings in your book you have a list of the dublin 5th battalion and you have mentioned that the witness statement of joseph lawless (1043) gives a detailed and complete account of the north dublin area .is it possible for anyone to view or get a copy of these  witness statements
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Monday 31 May 10 20:03 BST (UK)
greetings in your book you have a list of the dublin 5th battalion and you have mentioned that the witness statement of joseph lawless (1043) gives a detailed and complete account of the north dublin area .is it possible for anyone to view or get a copy of these  witness statements

Yes

The Witness Statements are at the Military Archives in Cathal Brugha  Barracks, and are public accessible.

I understand the Archives are closed right now for renovations, so call before going.  However, under most circumstances they are open.

Also look at Statements by the following for that time/area
Gerry Golden, 177, 208, 521, 522
Sister Eithne Lawlwss, 414
Charles Weston, 1053
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: ourmorris on Monday 31 May 10 20:12 BST (UK)
thanks for the reply
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: Quaxer on Tuesday 01 June 10 00:05 BST (UK)
Dublinbook 1916

I note from your extensive list you mention the messenger Molly Adrian (correct spelling was Adrien). As I'm too far away toa ccess the archives could you give any more information about her.(even by PM)?

Regards      Quaxer
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Tuesday 01 June 10 16:29 BST (UK)
Dublinbook 1916

I note from your extensive list you mention the messenger Molly Adrian (correct spelling was Adrien). As I'm too far away toa ccess the archives could you give any more information about her.(even by PM)?

Regards      Quaxer

Dear Quaxer

In my notes I only have that she was a middle aged lady who cycled back and forth from Dublin several times during the Rising.  She brought Pearse's message that the Volunteers were to "Strike at one o'clock today."

BTW, in McCoole's book, No Ordinary Women, and Tallion's book The Women of 1916 the spelling is Adrian.  Is there a reason you have it different?
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: Quaxer on Wednesday 02 June 10 00:40 BST (UK)
Dublinbook 1916

Thank you for your prompt reply. The true spelling of the surname is Adrien and various documents back to the 17th Century spell it as so but when it is incorrectly spelt then Adrian is usual the 1st incorrect choice followed by Adreen etc. Her father being a M.O. and a registrar of births  used the Adrien spelling even in his own will. My mother(one of his grandchildren also used the spelling, Adrien.
If you come across more about her please enter it up.

With many thanks
    Quaxer
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: OConchocobair on Tuesday 08 June 10 23:27 BST (UK)
I've got a sketch portrait of my husband's grandfather, James O'Connor.  He was internee # 1348 or 1378 (I can't make out the writing) at Frongoch Camp.  This picture was sketched by an "M. Kelly" and dated October 8th, 1916 while he and James were held at Frongoch.  Would "Dublin in Rebellion" possibly contain any information on James O'Connor?
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Wednesday 09 June 10 10:29 BST (UK)
I've got a sketch portrait of my husband's grandfather, James O'Connor.  He was internee # 1348 or 1378 (I can't make out the writing) at Frongoch Camp.  This picture was sketched by an "M. Kelly" and dated October 8th, 1916 while he and James were held at Frongoch.  Would "Dublin in Rebellion" possibly contain any information on James O'Connor?

The book lists James S. O'Connor, who was a member of the 1st Bn Volunteers, was in the Four Courts in the Rising, and was imprisoned in Frongoch.

His address was 10 Beresford Place, Dublin
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: OConchocobair on Thursday 10 June 10 00:42 BST (UK)
I've got a sketch portrait of my husband's grandfather, James O'Connor.  He was internee # 1348 or 1378 (I can't make out the writing) at Frongoch Camp.  This picture was sketched by an "M. Kelly" and dated October 8th, 1916 while he and James were held at Frongoch.  Would "Dublin in Rebellion" possibly contain any information on James O'Connor?

The book lists James S. O'Connor, who was a member of the 1st Bn Volunteers, was in the Four Courts in the Rising, and was imprisoned in Frongoch.

His address was 10 Beresford Place, Dublin

Thank you for your prompt reply!
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Post by: brophy1 on Saturday 03 July 10 16:42 BST (UK)
Hi, Did you mean Dan Brophy? If so, Dan Brophy was my grandfather :)
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: skerries on Thursday 09 September 10 01:49 BST (UK)
hi did your granfather come from co dublin?
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: skerries on Thursday 09 September 10 02:24 BST (UK)
hope you are still on this site Dan brophy was married to my dad?s sister.
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Post by: johnny_doyle on Thursday 09 September 10 07:30 BST (UK)

Commandant Thomas Ashe; a native of Dingle, Co. Kerry, previously he was a
schoolteacher at Corduff, Co. Dublin. He was known as an inspirational, but
somewhat impractical, leader, and was the great uncle of actor Gregory Peck.


the link to Gregory Peck is an interesting snippet. Didn't know about that one at all.

Do you have anything in your book re Michael Sweeney at the South Dublin Union?
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dublinbook1916 on Friday 10 September 10 19:29 BST (UK)

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Do you have anything in your book re Michael Sweeney at the South Dublin Union?
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Dear Johnny

I list him in the book, but have no other information other than he was a member of the garrison
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: johnny_doyle on Friday 10 September 10 20:01 BST (UK)
thanks for looking.

This is him and his family on the 1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Harold_s_Cross_Road/66656/

Killed in Grafton St in April 1922 in the run up to the Civil War whilst escaping from National Army troops.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: dc51 on Sunday 12 September 10 19:01 BST (UK)
Hello dublinbook 1916
There is a John Keely listed, Killid in Phisborough delivering a dispatch.
Could the name be wrong, as there was a Sean (Jack) Healy fatally injured on Easter monday 1916 at Doyles Corner While attempting to deliver a dispatch. He was 14 years old, the youngest volunteer to die that week.
There's a memorial stone set into the pavement in his honor at the south west corner. 
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: johnny_doyle on Sunday 12 September 10 23:40 BST (UK)
in the 1916 Rebellion Handbook, there's John Healy in the list of "Rebels Killed While Fighting" but it doesn't state age.

In the list of those interred at Glasnevin, there is then a J Healy (14 1/2) of 188 Phibsborough Road.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: IrishMedals on Monday 13 September 10 00:01 BST (UK)
There was a Healy and a Keely killed during Easter Week:

Healy John, fatally wounded in the Phibsborough area on the 25th of April 1916, he died two days later on the 27th in the Mather Hospital. He was 15 years old and had been a member of Na Fianna for 3 years. He was a plumbers apprentice and was from 188 Phibsborough Road Dublin. He is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery.

Keely John, Killed in Action on the 26th of April 1916 at the General Post Office, educated by the Christian Brothers’ and taught Irish in Dun Laoghaire and he assisted Francis Macken with an Irish class in Saint Enda’s Rathfarnham. He was originally from Rockbrook, Ballyboden, Dublin, lived in Kingstown (Dun Laoghaire) and left a widow. John Keely was fatally wounded when, with a group of Volunteers from Rathfarnham, who had arrived late at the GPO, the Volunteers ware attempting to enter the GPO through one of the ground floor windows when they were spotted by a party of Lancers who charged the Volunteers. In the ensuing battle three of the Lancers were killed. John Keely was taken to Jervis Street Hospital where he died early the next day. He is buried in Dean’s Grange Cemetery.

http://irishmedals.org/gpage1.html for information on other Volunteers KIA Easter Week.
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Post by: barrylyons on Tuesday 03 May 11 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi , i know this is an old forum , but while searching the web ,i came across your request, My Great uncle was Michael kelly and was detained in frongoch at the same time, i wonder did he do the sketch ?
Barry
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Post by: Oliverd on Thursday 26 May 11 21:56 BST (UK)
Hi, Did you mean Dan Brophy? If so, Dan Brophy was my grandfather :)

Was this Colonel Dan Brophy per chance some of whose family emigrated to the US ?
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: skerries on Tuesday 15 November 11 18:11 GMT (UK)
yes paddy  brophy emigrated to America around about 1953/54 he was my cousin
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Post by: epifagus on Friday 15 January 16 23:46 GMT (UK)
I am trying to contact relatives of Doyles from Lusk re 1916 celebration in Kenure Cemetery. Any chance that "Skerries" is still around?
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Post by: Sinann on Saturday 16 January 16 00:29 GMT (UK)
Looks like it, last time here 5 Dec 2015 so should get email about a new reply to this thread.
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Post by: johnny_doyle on Sunday 17 January 16 10:56 GMT (UK)
the fighting at Ashbourne is covered by an article in the An t'Oglach series of Easter Rising related material, no 27

http://johnny-doyle.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-t-oglach-easter-rising-series-of.html

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Post by: BrophyNoi1 on Thursday 31 March 16 00:52 BST (UK)
hope you are still on this site Dan brophy was married to my dad?s sister.

Would that be Florence Golden? Daniel and Florence are my Great grandparents. He was married twice.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: BrophyNoi1 on Thursday 31 March 16 01:03 BST (UK)
Hi, Did you mean Dan Brophy? If so, Dan Brophy was my grandfather :)

Was this Colonel Dan Brophy per chance some of whose family emigrated to the US ?

Yes his youngest daughter Aideen also emigrated to US
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: Oliverd on Thursday 31 March 16 06:33 BST (UK)
Hi, Did you mean Dan Brophy? If so, Dan Brophy was my grandfather :)

Was this Colonel Dan Brophy per chance some of whose family emigrated to the US ?

Yes his youngest daughter Aideen also emigrated to US

Hello

I was talking of Paddy who was his son by Jane, his first wife who died young, Paddy emigrated to the US and passed away a couple of years ago.

Paddy was married to a Hanratty who are related to me on my Dad's side and Jane his first wife was a sister of Paddy Doyle who was out with him in 1916 and is a distant relative on my mums side.

Dan of course was one of the 20 men that Tomas Ashe sent to the GPO on Easter Tuesday.

Dan married a Golden who may be a sister of another of the 1916 men from Lusk.

I was speaking with some members of Black Raven Pipe Band who remember Dan Brophy as he was a distant relative.
Title: Re: 5th battalion north dublin
Post by: BrophyNoi1 on Thursday 31 March 16 10:52 BST (UK)
Hi, Did you mean Dan Brophy? If so, Dan Brophy was my grandfather :)

Was this Colonel Dan Brophy per chance some of whose family emigrated to the US ?

Yes his youngest daughter Aideen also emigrated to US

Hello

I was talking of Paddy who was his son by Jane, his first wife who died young, Paddy emigrated to the US and passed away a couple of years ago.

Paddy was married to a Hanratty who are related to me on my Dad's side and Jane his first wife was a sister of Paddy Doyle who was out with him in 1916 and is a distant relative on my mums side.

Dan of course was one of the 20 men that Tomas Ashe sent to the GPO on Easter Tuesday.

Dan married a Golden who may be a sister of another of the 1916 men from Lusk.

I was speaking with some members of Black Raven Pipe Band who remember Dan Brophy as he was a distant relative.

Hi, yes my mother has photos of her with Brandon, paddy and Josie when she was a child. My Grandfather was John, Dan's son born 1930.
Would be interested to know if you have traced back further than Dans parents Patrick and Sarah?
Yes Dan was sworn into the IRB by Ashe in 1908 after Ashe and Lawless had taken interest in him for intelligence work. He managed to record his memories of events of his life in writing before he died. There was also an account from Kevin Golden circulating too at one time. Kevin was Florence's brother.