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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: petercr49 on Monday 09 March 09 14:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi Can anyone tell me which Parish of Newcastle is Denton Chare in? I am looking for it in the 1851 census to see who is living at No 4.
regards
Peter
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Hi Peter
As far as I can tell it was in the parish of St Nicholas. If this is the right place then theres a photograph of it as it is today. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1018327
Gary
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There appears to be several place in the centre of Newcastle that end with the name Chare.
See this site.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43337
As Chare is defined as "a narrow street" explains why there ae so many.
Meliora
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You can see Denton Chare on the 1980-1994 map at http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm put the post code NE11RE in "Search". It runs between St. Nicholas Street and Westgate Road.
Stan
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Trivia Note.
The western end of Denton Chare starts close to a building on Westgate Rd, called Bolbec Hall, which houses the Northumberland & Durham Family History Scociety. The eastern end of Denton Chare presents you close to the front doors of St Nicholas's Cathedral.
Michael Dixon
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The western end of Denton Chare starts close to a building on Westgate Rd, called Bolbec Hall, which houses the Northumberland & Durham Family History Scociety. The eastern end of Denton Chare presents you close to the front doors of St Nicholas's Cathedral.
One end steeped in history and the other collecting history ;D
Gary
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Many thanks, I have strolled down Denton Chare a few years ago when I was in Newcastle and it is much different to what I imagine it was 150 years ago when my GGGGrandfather and GGGrandfather had a bookshop/newsagents at No 4. There were no building fronts at all in Denton Chare when I was there and it was full of skip bins. Denton Chare is a handy thoroughfare running from Central Station through to St Nicholas' church having been a member of NDFHS I know of Bolbec Hall but I have never been in it.
regards
Peter
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Hi Peter.
I read you post re No 4 DENTON CHARE, in Newcastle on Tyne.
My great grandfather was born at 4 Denton Chare. St John, Newcastle on Tyne in July 1855 and the family surname was Houlihan.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
That is very interesting. I have my GGGGrandfather Robert Crothers listed in Wards Directory 1850 as a bookseller in Denton Chare, then as newsagent in Denton Chare in Wards Directory 1851, then Roberts son Isaac Crowther (my GGGrandfather) as newsagent in Denton Chare in Wards Directory 1853, then Isaac as newsagent at 4 Denton Chare in Wards Directory 1855, and finally Isaac as Grocer & c and newsagent at 4 Denton Chare in Wards Directory 1859-60. I've always assumed Robert and Isaac were at 4 Denton Chare throughout this period of 1850 to 1860. Maybe they were at another house in Denton Chare up to 1855 but they are definitely listed as being at No 4 in 1855. I don't know exactly when the 1855 Wards Directory would be printed or even when the information would be collected and compiled but I assume it would be before July 1855. Does that mean that more than one family lived at No 4 or could your Houlihan ancestor have been related to my Crowthers/Crothers? I have never heard of a Houlihan before but nothing would surprise me about this family. Robert had very complicated relationships having children with his wife Elizabeth who died in 1848 and also with his 'mistress' Mary ? who died 1858 at 4 Denton Chare. I wonder if Mary's surname was Houlihan? I would be very interested if you could provide more information relating to your GGrandfather.
regards
Peter
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Hello Peter.
My G.Grandfather James Houlihan was born 18th July 1855 at
4 Denton Chare, St John. Newcastle upon tyne. This information is from his birth certificate. His father, Michael Houlihan was a journeyman blacksmith from Ireland.
Initially, I thought the the "chare" part of the address was wrong which made me start checking, and thats when I came across your post on Rootsweb.
I have looked at the 1861 census and my Houlihan family were not living there at that time although other families were.
I don't think there is any connecton with your family although one never knows.
Kind regards.
Lyn
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Hi Lyn
Thanks for the info, nothing there to link the families. Are there any other names on the certificate eg. Mothers maiden name, witness names. Robert Crothers wife was born in Ireland, possibly maiden name of King. Robert was born in South Carolina to British parents but seemed to go from there to Ireland as their first child was born there.
I paid a recent visit to Newcastle. There are several 'Chares' in Newcastle, they are narrow alleys. Denton Chare is a back alley leading from the Central Station thro to St Nicholas' Cathedral, probably once a bustling alley. Nowadays it is just a rather scruffy alley with a few skip bins around and no doors, just the backs of buildings.
regards
Peter
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Hi - were you aware Robert was formerly operating from Nelson Street, Newcastle? http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/21093/pages/1320 (halfway down second column).
This London Gazette entry from 1850 relating to Robert might also be of interest: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/21093/pages/1319 (two-thirds of the way down second column)
Regards
Rob
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Hi Rob
Thanks for that, Yes I had a previous Directory entry for Robert in Nelson St, Newcastle but I had no knowledge of his insolvency (but it doesn't surprise me!) I will read this thoroughly but at first sight it appears that he was made insolvent at his own request. Do you think that would be to get rid of his debts? He was certainly operating as bookseller/newsagent throughout the 1850's and early 1860's until his death in 1862. He appeared to prosper a little later on.
I have not come across these webpages before so I will have a good look.
Thanks again for the info
regards
Peter
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I have attached an image showing the Enumerator's notes when he made the 1851 Census for Back
Row, Westgate Street (part), Collingwood Street (south side), St Nicholas Square (west corner) and Denton Chare.
The Ward was St. John's.
Central Station opened in 1850 and the Census was taken on the Night of Sunday 30 March 1851.
I have also created and attached an image of part of the Thomas Oliver 1830 map of Newcastle upon Tyne, overlayed onto a Google Earth image from 2012.
Back Row does still exist, but isn't called that now... it's just the bottom end of Westgate Road.
It's also worth noting that Postern is now underneath the Station Carpark.
Also it is Baileygate that is under the railway lines, NOT Back Row.
Denton Chare is in exactly the same place as it was in 1850, just to the south of, and parallel to, Collingwood Street.
St. Nicholas Street was straightened so that it headed straight past the Castle Keep heading for the High Level Bridge.
Previously St. Nicholas Street had split at it's southern end into The Side and Queen Street.
Queen Street went south towards the Long Stairs which led down to The Close.
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"Trivia Note.
The western end of Denton Chare starts close to a building on Westgate Rd, called Bolbec Hall, which houses the Northumberland & Durham Family History Scociety. The eastern end of Denton Chare presents you close to the front doors of St Nicholas's Cathedral."
Just an aside to say that the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society has now moved into Percy Street.