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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Faithen on Sunday 08 March 09 18:22 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Seeking infomation an My Grandmothers Sister and her Family.
Unfortunatley I have 2 listings for Hannah Rose in Newcastle.
1) Hannah Rose B Dec 1893
2) Hannah Rose B 1897 both Newcastle T.
The Hannah I seek is Married in 1913 to Mr Ralph Bilton
6 children born
Moderator Comment: Names of people who may still be living removed.
Belived to have live in Glouster Terrace/Place????
do not know where to find information on line this close to present day??
Any Ideas?????
Thankx
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if you get the marriage cert it will tell you her fathers name and occupation
you could then look on earlier censuses 1901,1911 to try and match them up.
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marriage index
name; ralph bilton
y.o.r. 1913
qtr. oct/nov/dec
dist. newcastle upon tyne
vol. 10b
page. 158
spouse name; hannah rose.
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Do you have your grandmother's marriage certificate, or her birth certificate?
The necessary information will be on them :D
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Faithen,
I can see the Hannah whose birth was registered in Newcastle Registration District in the Dec Qtr of 1893. Source FreeBMD site.
On the same site, I cannot see a Hannah Rose registered in Newcastle in 1897 ! What was your source for this birth or birth registration ? More on this later.
On Census 1901 , in 65 Sycamore St, Elswick, Newcastle ( page ref 4768-139-12) there is William and Hannah with a son John W aged 11 yrs and a dtr Hannah aged 7 yrs, born Newcastle.
On C1891 the family is in same house with Agnes 16, Mary, 9 amd James Wm, 1 ( page ref 4194-71-45)
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You mentioned " Gloucester Terrace/Place". Gloucester Terrace is/was in the same area of Elswick as was Sycamore St..
Using FreeBMD to see ( but not to mention) the names of children that a Bilton/Rose couple registered from 1914 to about 1927, ... shows some commonality with the first names of the above Rose family. See for yourself !
( It was interesting to see another Bilton/Rose couple registering children in the York Reg District from 1922 to 1928... James F Bilton married Edith Rose in York Reg Dist in March Qtr 1922)
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Back to beginning, it looks possible/probable that the Hannah who married Ralph was the Hannah who was registered in 1893 in Newcastle .
However it is not certain !
Assuming for the moment that there was not another Newcastle-born Haanah around the same time as the b.1893 Hannah, a NON-Newcastle-born Hannah Rose, and there were quite a few of them, including the one born West Bromwich in 1897, and some as close as County Durham, could easily have more to Newcastle area some time after her birth and married Ralph. (sorry about length of last sentence)
The only way to be sure, to be sure, is to buy a copy marriage cert for the 1913 marriage as already mentioned by Wozzle and Mum ( or avioding the cost of cert, by turning up their church marriage record, assuming they married in a church- but that might end up a more expensive option ! )
Michael Dixon
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Dear Mr Dixon,
Thankyou so very much for your help.
To answer your question ref Hannah Rose B 1897 10b 17
I think I got this off ancestry.com, although not totally sure, do ALLOT of Family History!!!!!!!!!!!! daily.
Mainly Newell/Geggie/Faithen ect..... but mainly up in the Northeast, Newcastle upon Tyne, elswick,Benwell and West denton areas,
Which I visted Last yr
I LOVE IT!! up there, best Fish and Chips in uk!! lol
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It now appears that there were allot of Family Living @65, Sycamore street
,Elswick or benwell??Newcastle T Not sure where this is must have been pulled down, i guess??
1901 census
Sarah Faithan Mar 29 Charwoman
Florence Faithan D 4
Mary Rose S.Sister 19 charwoman,
both Faithan and Rose Family live in purhape one up one down kind flat two dwelling 0ne address maybe??
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Faithan,
On the 1901 census (4768-139-12) there were four households living in
No. 65 Sycamore Street.
Rose family, 2 adults + 2 children in Two rooms.
Ormond family, 2 + 3 in Two rooms.
Faithin 2 adults + 1 in One room
Lemon 2 + 1, in One Room.
I don't know how these rooms were distributed within the house. Maybe the Rose and Faithin were on one floor. But I don't know how many storeys the house had.
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Sycamore St ran between Scotswood Road and Cambridge St, parallel to both of them. Gloucester Street cut through the middle of Sycamore St at right angles.
Sycamore was demolished between 1969 and 1970.
This area is close to today's Newcastle College.
Michael
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I have Census 1901
65, Sycomore Street
Sarah Faithen Mar aged 29 Charwoman ( But last name should be ROSE as she is married to William) ??
Florance Faithen Daughter aged 4
Mary Rose Step Sister 19 Charwoman
William Rose H Born in Norflok Labour ( Gas Yard)
Willlaim Rose son 3 yrs
Census 1911 Newcastle upon tyne 21, Penn street 3 Rooms
David Newell H Marr Gas Stocker for gas Co B Ireland ( Says County Antrim, but he was born in County Down)
Sarah E Newell Wife Married 7 yrs aged 39 B N-C-T
Florance Newell Daughter aged 14yrs B N-C-T ( But she is a FAITHEN)
David Newell son aged 7yrs ( But his date of birth is 1903) B N-C-T
Mary Newell Daughter 5yrs B N-C-T
Hannah Newell Daughter 16 months B N-C-T
Sarah Newell daughter aged 4 DECEASED B N-C-T
Cannot find death records for
Sarah Newell-Florance Newell-David Newell-
Any help would be very helpful
been seeking for years
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death indexc
name; florence faithen
y.o.r.1946
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist;newcastle upon tyne
vol;1b
page; 7
age at death; 49
est birth year; 1897
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i do not know what david you mean father or son so here is the son
death index
name; david newell
y.o.r. 1982
qtr;jan/frb/mar
dist; newcastle upon tyne
vol;5
page; 0527
age at death;78
birthdate;20th nov 1903
and here is possibly the father
death index
name; david newell
y.o.r.1916
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; newcastle upon tyne
vol;10b
page; 92
age at death47
est birth year; 1869
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possibly her
death index
name; sarah.e.newell
y.o.r. 1955
qtr;apr/may/jun
dist; newcastle upon tyne
vol;1b
page; 36
age at death; 85
est birth year; 1870
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Hello again happy 2014
I am researching David Newell Born 24Th May 1870, Donaghdee, County Down,Northen Ireland.
I have found his Parents John Newell and Theresa Newell Nee Ferries married in 1863.
Cannot find anything as census missing incomplete, Anyone got any ideas ??
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Hi Faithen,
Harry (Henry) Bilton 1927-1996 the youngest son of Ralph and Hannah Bilton was married to my father's cousin Olive neč Smith.
On free BMD The Death Index for Hannah Bilton gives her dob as 14 Oct 1893. She died in Newcastle in Feb 1991 aged 97.
Regards
Patricia