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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: scruffypup on Saturday 07 March 09 11:32 GMT (UK)
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I'm desperate to order my Great Great Grandparents marriage certificate, it has a GRO ref but is totally missing from Yorks BMD, all the other records from around this period in Helmsley appear to be on here and seem to be available to buy at Harrogate, if I walked into the Bilton Office armed only with a GRO ref would they be able to find the certificate and allow me to purchase a copy
Marriages Sep 1867 Qtr Dist Helmsley, Vol 9d, Page 555 Olivia Wurswick and John Body.
I'm hoping you guys aren't going to say it's under North Allerton, I've tried their website several times and sent 2 e mails with no reply, Bilton/Harrogate is just down the road so for me this would be ideal but don't want to go in and look a fool if I cannot buy it there
Julie
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I believe that if you walk into the Harrogate office, they will give you a form to fill in and will then post the certificate to you.
Why don't you just order it from the GRO - given that you have the reference details, it will only cost you the normal £7 and will be just as quick.
Jen
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Hi Jen
Thanks for your reply. I did wonder if you could collect your certificates there and then at Harrogate when you fill a form in at the office, I didn't realise they would still have to be posted out even if you go in person rather than making a postal enquiry, I prefer to pay in cash rather than over the internet where possible but as you say it's probably going to take the same amount of time either way GRO or Harrogate.
Julie
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I went into the Harrogate office quite recently to do exactly what you were wanting to do and was told that it would take a week or so to send. I opted to go through GRO which has always been quick and efficient ( except when there is a series of Who Do You Think You Are on television when the entire world takes up ancestor hunting).
I understand your reservations on internet payment but GRO uses a secure payment system and so far ( fingers crossed) I haven't had a problem with it.
Jen
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Hi Jen
Many thanks for the info, I know what you mean about surges of interest that last a few weeks, a bit like the mad rush for the 1911 census at the moment. Olivia is the only recent ancestor who totally stumps me, there are plenty of Worswicks around, just very few Wurswick's and no record of an Olivia being born, so I've a feeling that when I get the certificate that it will turn out to be mis spelling on the BMD record, and her name is likely Worswick, I'll get it onto it this week anyway see what I can find, at least I know now not to go rushing off to Bilton expecting to come home with certificates in hand.
Many thanks
Julie
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I think it also depends on how busy they are at the time. On one day I went to both Stockton and Middlesbrough registry offices. Stockton were really busy, they asked me to fill in the form and they'd post it out, Middlesbrough were really quiet and did them for me there and then.
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Maybe the person on the desk in Harrogate was just not in the mood when I went! They weren't busy and she told me that they used to do it there but not any more.
Perhaps a phone call to check would be a good idea?
Jen
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Scruffypup, we're the coordinators for putting marriages on yorksbmd for Ryedale. Your marriage is not in the Helmsley parish church. Might it be in a neighbouring parish but still Helmsley area? We're still doing Ryedale by alphabet and have reached 'R' so maybe it's not done yet.
It's no good going to Harrogate with a GRO ref. They have their own referencing system.
Cheers Jana
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Hi Jana
I managed to buy the wedding certificiate, John and Olivia were married at the Bethel Chapel, never heard of it before but apparently it is in the Helmsley/Kirkbymoorside district.
Julie
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Kirkbymoorside Natural Health Centre was founded in 2000 to provide a peaceful, relaxing environment for complementary therapies. Occupying the former Bethel Chapel, it comprises three treatment rooms, a workshop space and comfortable reception area.
:)
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Hi Madpants
Thanks for your reply, it's good to hear the chapel didn't get demolished like so many have unfortunately. I did notice this on the certificate
I wonder if it was an Independent church as it looks like it says Independents by Certificate whatever that means
Julie
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Hello again scruffypup. Glad you found the marriage. We have not so far transcribed anything other than Anglican marriages for yorksbmd so that's why it wasn't there!
Did it give you the info you wanted?
Cheers jana
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Hi Jana
I took a chance and went into the Harrogate Registry Office, they phoned back the next day to say they had found the marriage details, one advantage of living down the road is that I could collect the certificiate in person, I wasn't sure if they would be able to find it with only a GRO to work on but they did. I'm not completely clued up as to when and where different details became available on certificates, I did notice that only the area of Kirkbymoorside was mentioned not a birthplace or actual district where they were living, also with fathers, when did it become the norm to put on if deceased? I was right about John Body's father being William Body (or William Boddy as I had him down as) but by my reckoning William died in 1861/2 but there is no mention of him being deceased.
The good thing is now I know when and where they were married and hopefully if Joseph isn't fictitious to cover an illegitimate child then at least Olivia has some family to research on.
Julie
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Scruffypup, I asked my better half, the fount of all knowledge! He said that if a father is listed as deceased on a marriage cert, then he was deceased. If it doesn't say, then he might be and he might not be. He also says that you would be lucky to get a full address at that date. Maybe into the 20th century you would. He doesn't know of any rule when it suddenly became the norm. He says to remember that the cert is only as accurate as the the couple care to divulge and lies were frequent.
Plough on, jana